Next Gen GPU's will be even more expensive

[oxrufiioxo]

Nvidia can raise prices all it wants, many cards are already priced at what the market will bear.

People were already extending how long they keep their cards to help accommodate for increased pricing but $1,000 for a 5070 Ti that will have a tiny memory bus and little VRAM doesn't sound anywhere remotely appealing.

People think AMD was keeping Nvidia's pricing in check but AMD and Nvidia have not really competed on pricing since polaris. After that AMD has simply been pricing around Nvidia. Nvidia currently has 88% of the market, for all intents and purposes the market is less competitive by the numbers than the 10 year period where Intel had a monopoly of the CPU market. It's worse by a significant margin to boot, AMD held 26% of the CPU market with bulldozer but it currently holds a mere 12% of the GPU market. For all intents and purposes, current GPU pricing already has Nvidia's monopoly pricing baked in.

I agree, but will they care they raised prices in the gpu market substantially this last generation and they are still making 3 billion or somthing like triple what AMD does....

It will be interesting if a 2000 usd or more 5090 would do well even if it's 50-60% faster.

Amd not being able to compete will likely effect the 5070/5080 pricing the most honestly but I still can't see a barely better than 4080, 5070 selling well at 1k. I wouldn't be shocked for a 699-799 price with Nvidia saying we lowered the price 200 and it's better than a 4080 lol....

unless you buy it Nevada, the price of that 6969 is going to put you in jail

Hopefully it's a bunny ranch exclusive.....

 

[evernessince]

I agree, but will they care they raised prices in the gpu market substantially this last generation and they are still making 3 billion or somthing like triple what AMD does....

You are right, they might just raise prices anyways because they have all that data center and AI money coming in.

It will be interesting if a 2000 usd or more 5090 would do well even if it's 50-60% faster.

Depends on the VRAM I think. A majority of the 4090's appeal has been it's AI performance. where it's being snapped up by countries like China and people looking at AI as a business. If they stick with 24GB it will cripple the card's ability to use more advanced AI models and for AI training.

Otherwise not many people can justify $2,000 - $2,500 on a GPU just for gaming. That market is tiny compared to people using it for AI.

Amd not being able to compete will likely effect the 5070/5080 pricing the most honestly but I still can't see a barely better than 4080, 5070 selling well at 1k. I wouldn't be shocked for a 699-799 price with Nvidia saying we lowered the price 200 and it's better than a 4080 lol....

Heck I'd even say $799 - $899 is believable. After all used 4080s are going for around $900 and that's more or less in line with the transition from 3000 series to 4000 series. Nvidia would essentially be pricing card exactly at what people are willing to pay for that level of performance and appending pricing tiers directly above that as needed. The downside for gamers is that as game requirements increase, so too does the cost of buying a good enough GPU as Nvidia simply keeps increasing pricing for every performance increase.

The question is, at what point do people say enough is enough?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You are right, they might just raise prices anyways because they have all that data center and AI money coming in.



Depends on the VRAM I think. A majority of the 4090's appeal has been it's AI performance. where it's being snapped up by countries like China and people looking at AI as a business. If they stick with 24GB it will cripple the card's ability to use more advanced AI models and for AI training.

Otherwise not many people can justify $2,000 - $2,500 on a GPU just for gaming. That market is tiny compared to people using it for AI.



Heck I'd even say $799 - $899 is believable. After all used 4080s are going for around $900 and that's more or less in line with the transition from 3000 series to 4000 series. Nvidia would essentially be pricing card exactly at what people are willing to pay for that level of performance and appending pricing tiers directly above that as needed. The downside for gamers is that as game requirements increase, so too does the cost of buying a good enough GPU as Nvidia simply keeps increasing pricing for every performance increase.

The question is, at what point do people say enough is enough?

Honestly this is where it hurts the most not having a strong secondary competitor. Nvidia knows if AI demand drops they can still makes billions in it's gaming division and indirectly they are still investing a ton into r&d that trickles down into the gaming segment.

The 5090 will likely just barely be attractive for AI use it's why a 2000 msrp sounds plausible. 2500 starts to go beyond what's realistic imho unless it has 32GB+ of vram. I do believe there will be a 5080ti this generation just so they can have a card in the 15-1600 range with 24GB that way they don't completely abandoned the 4080/4090 owners who primarily game likely with a 30% uplift over the 4090 which we know people will pay for lol. It likely will just come 8-12 months later.

2000 is already getting beyond what I'd pay for a gpu but I could still make up an excuse if I really wanted it, but my 20 month old is my priority though for the foreseeable future.... 2500 is a na regardless of how good it is.

This could be the first generation I sit out since 700 series on the nvidis side.... If there is somthing compelling enough over the 3080ti in my secondary pc at much lower wattage maybe that though. I think I'd rather upgrade that platform though and wait for 6000 series but if witcher 4 comes out before that and looks amazing and needs more horsepower that could change lol.

It was actually CP2077 and witcher 3 next gen that made me want to ditch my 3080ti lol so that would be fitting I guess.

 

[GerKNG]

current gen was already insanely expensive! i refuse to buy them when they raise prices again.
i will end up with three 5090s anyways...

 

[Sithaer]

Strictly talking from my point of view/situation.
I have like zero hope for any of the new gen cards having 'reasonable' prices where I live but pretty much in general.

For example a 4070 Super 'one of the more basics models' still cost up to ~650 $ where I live and that performance level is my minimum target for upgrading in later/second half of 2025 so ye it does not look promising for me.
That is like the main reason why I refuse to make the jump to 3440x1440 Ultrawide cause at least my current 2560x1080 can be driven alright even with my current 3060 Ti as long as I use DLSS in new games. 'I don't mind that at all actually prefer using it vs native so that part is a non issue for me'

I will wait for the 5060 Ti/5070 and then decide what to do. 'worst case scenario I can still pick up a second hand 4070 Super which should be cheaper by then'

 

[Macro Device]

Wait are you saying games should play well on a gpu launched over 6 years ago at high/ultra 4k/1440p no DLSS

No. What I'm saying is a 6 y.o. superflagship GPU should be capable of medium presets. Not potato ones (these are usually not included in vanilla games).

If you want 4K Ultra with no DLSS you should either play old games or cope with <60 FPS or buy something that doesn't yet exist.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

No. What I'm saying is a 6 y.o. superflagship GPU should be capable of medium presets. Not potato ones (these are usually not included in vanilla games).

If you want 4K Ultra with no DLSS you should either play old games or cope with <60 FPS or buy something that doesn't yet exist.

I thinks that's the issue it never was a super flagship it was the real successor to the 700 usd 1080ti and only offered an at launch a 20-30% ish uplift over it depending on resolution...... The price is the only super flagship thing about it.....

3090 was 10-15% faster than the 3080 with just the vram really separating it from the 700 usd card so it struggling in 2024 isn't surprising either although it's fine in the majority of games.

The 4090 isn't a super flagship either it's more cut down than any of the previous what you'd call flagship parts it's basically what you'd usually see in the 80ti class but it's at least fast enough over a 4080 at 4k it would be considered maybe.

This is what happens when it's a one horse race as far as sales go.....

Money doesn't not equal longevity every card will start to struggle after 2 years and then be able to only do potato settings after 4..... The only difference is you'd be able to buy 2x 4070 class cards in that time span the thing that actually hurts now is not how much flagship performance drops after 2-4 years its how weak the 4-800 usd cards have become they use to beat previous flagships now we are lucky if they just move performance up a tier. Every other generation everyone could get flagship performance we saw it with the 670/1070/2070 super/3070 beating or matching previous flagships... Now we are lucky if the 70 tier card comes anywhere near to matching a previous generations flagship while having to spend more money every generation.

 

[Outback Bronze]

These guys are saying $1200 for an RTX 5080 which could be 10% faster than a 4090. $2k for a 5090?

Nvidia RTX 5080 GPU rumored to be 10% faster than RTX 4090 – but it might guzzle nearly as much power as the Lovelace flagship | TechRadar

 

[oxrufiioxo]

These guys are saying $1200 for an RTX 5080 which could be 10% faster than a 4090. $2k for a 5090?

Nvidia RTX 5080 GPU rumored to be 10% faster than RTX 4090 – but it might guzzle nearly as much power as the Lovelace flagship | TechRadar

Which is plausible. It will somewhat follow the ada playbook although the 4080 was a bit better vs the 3090ti than this would be vs the 4090.....

When competitor isn't moving perfomance forward this is what we get....

I figured an 1800-2000 for the 5090 due to 4090s seemingly selling ok at around that makes sense.

And all those who are still on 3000 series might see a 1200 usd 4090 + 10% likely with 16GB of vram good enough after waiting so long....

 

[Noci]

Next Gen GPU's will be even more expensive​

I'm really shocked, never saw that coming , whatever the reasons will be.
Don't they understand the consumers want bigger, more, faster for less?

Oh well, I assume there will be shareholders growing bigger, earning more and care less about consumers. Can't see any other logic here .

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Next Gen GPU's will be even more expensive​

I'm really shocked, never saw that coming , whatever the reasons will be.
Don't they understand the consumers want bigger, more, faster for less?

Oh well, I assume there will be shareholders growing bigger, earning more with lesser shares. Can't see any other logic here .

People still havent come to grip with prices going up every generation with performance it's happened 2 out of the last 3 generations and the pandemic ruined the one generation 3000 vs 6000 series that we got good price to performance out of the 3.

I think some are just hoping after a very Turing like price to performance generation we will get an Ampere like msrp generation which is wishful thinking.

 

[Dr. Dro]

People still havent come to grip with prices going up every generation with performance it's happened 2 out of the last 3 generations and the pandemic ruined the one generation 3000 vs 6000 series that we got good price to performance out of the 3.

I think some are just hoping after a very Turing like price to performance generation we will get an Ampere like msrp generation which is wishful thinking.

True, a lot of it is attributed to malice and mistrust, but TSMC prices have risen up considerably, as have R&D costs. At the same time, even middling tiers of hardware have become incredibly powerful as is, but a lot of people still focus exclusively on halo tiers.

 

[Tomgang]

Well if the suggested prices are correct, they live up there Nick name Ngreedia for sure.

If even rtx 5080 will cost as much as 1500 usd let alone rtx 5090 up to 2500 usd. I will deffently just keep my rtx 4090. I wount support Nvidias greedyness more than i all ready have.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

True, a lot of it is attributed to malice and mistrust, but TSMC prices have risen up considerably, as have R&D costs. At the same time, even middling tiers of hardware have become incredibly powerful as is, but a lot of people still focus exclusively on halo tiers.

While there are still good products in that 4-600 range if we ignore previous generations. I still feel every generation they've gotten less impressive especially if you don't consider the 2070 super/4070 super which basically fixed the original releases but came much later......

Even AMD critical darling the 7800XT was just a side grade 6800XT 2 years later with 150 usd shaved off the msrp. Now we might get a 7900XT the real successor to the 6800XT level gpu from them for 500 usd and if it ends up better than expected guess what it'll be 599 smh.

Don't even get me started with the 400 and under market lmao where everything is a sidegrade from the previous generations with only frame generation being the noteworthy addition that isn't very good on that level of hardware to begin with.

Well if the suggested prices are correct, they live up there Nick name Ngreedia for sure.

If even rtx 5080 will cost as much as 1500 usd let alone rtx 5090 up to 2500 usd. I will deffently just keep my rtx 4090. I wount support Nvidias greedyness more than i all ready have.

Same boat honestly they've already gotten greedy to the point that I'm honestly really bummed they have 0 high end competition and even if pricing still sucked maybe we'd get better products....

I don't blame them though they are a business and their sole purpose is to make money would be nice even if it was every other generation they thew gamers a bone.... I'm not gonna act like gamers are the reason they are where they're at now but we definitely helped.

 

[Outback Bronze]

I will deffently just keep my rtx 4090. I wount support Nvidias greedyness more than i all ready have.

Same boat

Beware the itch lol

 

[AusWolf]

High-end cards turned into luxury products for 4K+ Ultra/RT gaming. Don't upgrade from 1440p, and/or turn a few quality settings to High or Medium, and you'll be fine with a still affordable midrange card. There's nothing to be afraid of, imo.

 

[SL2]

I think it could be a smart move for AMD to stay at mid range for now, even if some customers will disapprove. Or move.. maybe they don't have a choice.

AMD could maybe make something faster than a 7900 XTX right now, but the question is if it would sell well enough. I'd guess no, it might not be worthwhile for them, especially in times of inflation.

It looks like they're now about to do what they did with the 5700 XT or even the HD 3870 (yup, 17 years ago) which is not trying to/(not being able to) chase the fastest card from the competition. (Yeah, they could do it for various reasons unrelated to the competition, or whatever reason I don't know anything about lol)

Make the products attractive and build demand before adding halo models, and if the former doesn't happen.. try again.

AMD currently has one RX 7000 model (7800 at #13) in amzn's top 25 sales list, that's not good enough. Then we have the RX 6000 cards still hanging around..

 

[wolf]

Luckily I've gotten far more into my retro rig/s and old hardware than new, I am content to wait till a sane option comes that is a compelling upgrade for me.

Besides, my rig easily plays anything I throw at it at, and damn well too, 5800X3D+3080 ageing very well imo, so no rush at all.

 

[AusWolf]

I think it could be a smart move for AMD to stay at mid range for now, even if some customers will disapprove. Or move.. maybe they don't have a choice.

AMD could maybe make something faster than a 7900 XTX right now, but the question is if it would sell well enough. I'd guess no, it might not be worthwhile for them, especially in times of inflation.

It looks like they're now about to do what they did with the 5700 XT or even the HD 3870 (yup, 17 years ago) which is not trying to/(not being able to) chase the fastest card from the competition. (Yeah, they could do it for various reasons unrelated to the competition, or whatever reason I don't know anything about lol)

Make the products attractive and build demand before adding halo models, and if the former doesn't happen.. try again.

AMD currently has one RX 7000 model (7800 at #13) in amzn's top 25 sales list, that's not good enough. Then we have the RX 6000 cards still hanging around..

I think the problem with RDNA 3 is that RDNA 2 was really good, and 3 doesn't offer much on top. With that said, I really don't mind RDNA 4 not being present in the high-end, as modern high-end cards are out of my price range anyway.

 

[SL2]

I think the problem with RDNA 3 is that RDNA 2 was really good, and 3 doesn't offer much on top.

Yeah, that's what I meant in the last line. Also, the 7900 XTX is still quite a bit faster than last generation, but the 4080S is the real competition there.

 

[AusWolf]

Yeah, that's what I meant in the last line. Also, the 7900 XTX is still quite a bit faster than last generation, but the 4080S is the real competition there.

Yes. And that's where the first part of your post comes into play. With the 4080S being a good competitor to the 7900 XTX, most people choose that instead. If AMD can't offer a substantial discount on the XTX without cutting into profit margins too much, it's probably not worth making, and similarly, a truly high-end RDNA 4 chip wouldn't be worth making, either. Doing only midrange is a logical, relatively economically safe choice.

 

[dir_d]

Luckily I've gotten far more into my retro rig/s and old hardware than new, I am content to wait till a sane option comes that is a compelling upgrade for me.

Besides, my rig easily plays anything I throw at it at, and damn well too, 5800X3D+3080 ageing very well imo, so no rush at all.

We are close to having the same setup and i feel the same way. I might even go down to 1440p high refresh rate OLED instead of buying a new GPU, really depends on the prices.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Yes. And that's where the first part of your post comes into play. With the 4080S being a good competitor to the 7900 XTX, most people choose that instead. If AMD can't offer a substantial discount on the XTX without cutting into profit margins too much, it's probably not worth making, and similarly, a truly high-end RDNA 4 chip wouldn't be worth making, either. Doing only midrange is a logical, relatively economically safe choice.

Honestly after nvidia released probably the worst price to performance generation ever with the 4080 OG being the poster child for bad value generation to generation I don't think there is anything they can do. Realistically and RDNA4 exist because they have to make something for the PS5 pro which will likely have a similar GPU.

The mind share Nvidia has is so ridiculously high They would probably need a 4080 like card for 799 that also is as fast in RT with FSR on par or better than DLSS for people to say F it I am just getting that..... So never gonna happen.

Honestly had the 7900XTX been as good as AMD marketing slides it would have landed about 20% ahead of the 4080 so nipping at the 4090 and I would have bought one if that were actually true.

We are close to having the same setup and i feel the same way. I might even go down to 1440p high refresh rate OLED instead of buying a new GPU, really depends on the prices.

Honestly I would pick an oled 10 out of 10 times over a gpu upgrade.....

 

[dir_d]

Honestly I would pick an oled 10 out of 10 times over a gpu upgrade.....

I have a LG 48 C1 but just might go lower res higher frames not sure, depends on prices and how well this little 3080TI can push next gen 4k games.

 

[wheresmycar]

Oddly enough i'm not even bothered with Next Gen. For most i'd imagine its been a disappointing run lately and far from engaging. Nowadays the interest is more in just getting a glimpse of reviewer benchmarks to feed the hardware enthusiasm.... as the Mrs calls it "window shopping". Although, I would fancy a Next Gen 4080-S level performance card but at a reasonable asking price (if thats even possible nowadays) or just wear ray-bans and stick with your current GPU and you won't notice the difference in visual quality. Holy Spit, i could be on to something!!