Next Gen GPU's will be even more expensive

[hat]

Whatever man... I don't even care anymore at this point. I'm just fine playing older or less demanding games with my older hardware. Life has already become too busy and demanding in other areas anyway, upgrading my PC is the last thing on my mind.

 

[evernessince]

Money doesn't not equal longevity every card will start to struggle after 2 years and then be able to only do potato settings after 4..... The only difference is you'd be able to buy 2x 4070 class cards in that time span the thing that actually hurts now is not how much flagship performance drops after 2-4 years its how weak the 4-800 usd cards have become they use to beat previous flagships now we are lucky if they just move performance up a tier. Every other generation everyone could get flagship performance we saw it with the 670/1070/2070/3070 beating or matching previous flagships... Now we are lucky if the 70 tier card comes anywhere near to matching a previous generations flagship while having to spend more money every generation.

Yeah, especially with ray tracing and features like DLSS and frame gen. We've seen plenty of games releasing essentially requiring DLSS. All Nvidia would need to do to nuke the entire 4000 series's performance in next gen games is to start pushing full path tracing in more games, up the rays per pixel to 1 from the current 0.5, up the bounces (currently 0), introduce a new interation of DLSS / FG that only new cards can use, or introduce any new feature that's run on hardware on the new cards that's emulated on old cards thus nuking performance. Nvidia controls the implemenations so they could even target parts of the graphics pipeline they know their newer cards are particularly better at.

High-end cards turned into luxury products for 4K+ Ultra/RT gaming. Don't upgrade from 1440p, and/or turn a few quality settings to High or Medium, and you'll be fine with a still affordable midrange card. There's nothing to be afraid of, imo.

One has to wonder at what point did PC gamers just start accepting a console like experience while they are spending more than the entire price of a console just on the GPU to get that experience. At what point did mandatory upscaling and frame-gen become acceptable, all to prop up Nvidia's margins?

I think it could be a smart move for AMD to stay at mid range for now, even if some customers will disapprove. Or move.. maybe they don't have a choice.

AMD is probably pursing AI with their GPU division and putting on their chips there instead of high end GPUs. That said it could just be incompetence on their end, their GPU division shows no end of that apparently. I really do sometimes wonder how AMD had a receipe to success with Zen but didn't execute or even try to execute something similar on the GPU front.

 

[eidairaman1]

So what else is new?

Probably Pickup a switchup or another portable gaming console at this rate.

 

[AusWolf]

Honestly after nvidia released probably the worst price to performance generation ever with the 4080 OG being the poster child for bad value generation to generation I don't think there is anything they can do. Realistically and RDNA4 exist because they have to make something for the PS5 pro which will likely have a similar GPU.

The mind share Nvidia has is so ridiculously high They would probably need a 4080 like card for 799 that also is as fast in RT with FSR on par or better than DLSS for people to say F it I am just getting that..... So never gonna happen.

Honestly had the 7900XTX been as good as AMD marketing slides it would have landed about 20% ahead of the 4080 so nipping at the 4090 and I would have bought one if that were actually true.

Yeah, the 40-series is a disaster with its price-to-performance ratio. The only cards I'd consider buying over AMD are the 4060, but it's too weak for the price, and the 4080S, but it's too expensive. It was a high ball for AMD to shine with value offerings, but that didn't really happen. I don't have hopes of Blackwell being any better. If top Navi 48 can deliver the promised 7900 XT performance around the 500-quid range (not to mention fixing the video playback power consumption), I'll get that and call it a day for a few years.

Honestly I would pick an oled 10 out of 10 times over a gpu upgrade.....

Honestly, I'm still weary of burn-in. I want my monitor to last a lifetime.

 

[wolf]

We are close to having the same setup and i feel the same way. I might even go down to 1440p high refresh rate OLED instead of buying a new GPU, really depends on the prices.

I already have a 42" C2 LG so much like yours, and even there the 3080 is proving very capable imo, it'd be nice to have more muscle for 4k and more VRAM for ultra++ textures but at the end of the day spending such an exorbitant amount of money for what effectively amounts to just a marginally-to-moderately sharper image is lower on my list than other retro acquisitions and fun projects.

 

[hat]

One has to wonder at what point did PC gamers just start accepting a console like experience while they are spending more than the entire price of a console just on the GPU to get that experience. At what point did mandatory upscaling and frame-gen become acceptable, all to prop up Nvidia's margins?

I don't think it's really acceptance. Most times in this world you just get what you get, and you can take it or leave it. It's no mistake that things cost what they do now. This isn't limited to just GPUs.

 

[AusWolf]

One has to wonder at what point did PC gamers just start accepting a console like experience while they are spending more than the entire price of a console just on the GPU to get that experience. At what point did mandatory upscaling and frame-gen become acceptable, all to prop up Nvidia's margins?

Probably when PC gamers started to believe the lie that 1080p is pigshit, and you have to target 4K if you have any respect for yourself. Although, all the above never happened with me. The only reason I'm on 1440 is because it's ultrawide. For a normal 16:9 aspect ratio, I couldn't care less if it's only 1080p ran by a 6600 XT.

 

[eidairaman1]

Yeah, the 40-series is a disaster with its price-to-performance ratio. The only cards I'd consider buying over AMD are the 4060, but it's too weak for the price, and the 4080S, but it's too expensive. It was a high ball for AMD to shine with value offerings, but that didn't really happen. I don't have hopes of Blackwell being any better. If top Navi 48 can deliver the promised 7900 XT performance around the 500-quid range (not to mention fixing the video playback power consumption), I'll get that and call it a day for a few years.


Honestly, I'm still weary of burn-in. I want my monitor to last a lifetime.

It would be nice if I could upgrade at all, things too tight right now.

 

[AusWolf]

I don't think it's really acceptance. Most times in this world you just get what you get, and you can take it or leave it. It's no mistake that things cost what they do now. This isn't limited to just GPUs.

I don't believe in "take it or leave it" when it comes to entertainment. Everybody has a choice. You can buy the latest high-end GPU at a stellar price and target 4K or not. You can watch the latest Disney/Netflix/Amazon bullshit, or not. You don't have to do anything. If a lot of people go "nah, fuck it", then manufacturers will have no choice but to adapt. They rely on us way more than we rely on them.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It would be nice if I could upgrade at all, things too tight right now.

Trust me, I feel very fortunate to have everything I do. Definitely don't take anything for granted. I know what it's like living paycheck to paycheck only worried about what bills need to paid and what I can afford to eat. Especially out here in California where it's just expensive to be alive.

It's why I try to remind people none of these companies are our friends they are just trying to separate your wallet from as much money as possible. While people should support whatever company they want to support with their hard earned money none of them give two shits about us no need to defend any of them.

 

[Launcestonian]

I'm completely neutral about next gen anything at this point. When the product(s) are finally launched to end users & reviews with benchmarks are published, then & only then can we see the reality. I ain't holding my breath for any of this doom n' gloom more expensive thing. It's always amusing when predictions about a product launch fail to consider the global economic situation for most consumers in 2025. Forecasting the future is fraught with RISK.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'm completely neutral about next gen anything at this point. When the product(s) are finally launched to end users & reviews with benchmarks are published, then & only then can we see the reality. I ain't holding my breath for any of this doom n' gloom more expensive thing. It's always amusing when predictions about a product launch fail to consider the global economic situation for most consumers in 2025. Forecasting the future is fraught with RISK.

I agree, it's mostly fun to speculate and just guess what might happen based on the last couple generations.

As long as people wait till the actual products release to pass any final judgment it doesn't matter. ZEN 5 is the poster child for waiting for reviews lol and that should be fresh in everyone's mind.

 

[GerKNG]

Next Gen GPU's will be even more expensive​

I'm really shocked, never saw that coming , whatever the reasons will be.
Don't they understand the consumers want bigger, more, faster for less?

Oh well, I assume there will be shareholders growing bigger, earning more and care less about consumers. Can't see any other logic here .

NVidia could sell a 4090 for 600 dollars and still make significant profit.
their pricing is only because of their infinite greed and disrespect towards their customers.

 

[Macro Device]

The price is the only super flagship thing about it.....

Wrong. There is nothing faster in this segment (yes, you could argue there always are workstation and server GPUs even faster than that but these are not gaming GPUs and therefore aren't a valid comparison) = this GPU is superflagship. Of course the difference between old and new GPUs doesn't impress at all but it's there and 2080 Ti is still trading blows with ~350 USD next-gen devices. Which is, mind me, not a price one's okay to pay for a GPU that's unable of handling settings higher than the very minimum. These GPUs target 1080p High / 1440p High + DLSS, not "I can launch this game."

This is why I'd rather nuke the game developers which are unable to produce graphically reasonable games which run (and don't crawl) on 300+ dollar GPUs. I'd also blame NV for VRAM greed and AMD for everything-else greed.

 

[eidairaman1]

Trust me, I feel very fortunate to have everything I do. Definitely don't take anything for granted. I know what it's like living paycheck to paycheck only worried about what bills need to paid and what I can afford to eat. Especially out here in California where it's just expensive to be alive.

It's why I try to remind people none of these companies are our friends they are just trying to separate your wallet from as much money as possible. While people should support whatever company they want to support with their hard earned money none of them give two shits about us no need to defend any of them.

If you find the latest tech purchase thread, my latest reply, you will see where a large sum suddenly went out, also ive been on a rental for several months, not including other bills. Just got insurance on my vehicle again, just waiting for I/Ms to Go into a Ready State so I can get emissions and then tags, will be very happy in 2031 when I no longer am required to do it on my vehicle as it will be 25 by then

 

[AusWolf]

Wrong. There is nothing faster in this segment (yes, you could argue there always are workstation and server GPUs even faster than that but these are not gaming GPUs and therefore aren't a valid comparison) = this GPU is superflagship. Of course the difference between old and new GPUs doesn't impress at all but it's there and 2080 Ti is still trading blows with ~350 USD next-gen devices. Which is, mind me, not a price one's okay to pay for a GPU that's unable of handling settings higher than the very minimum. These GPUs target 1080p High / 1440p High + DLSS, not "I can launch this game."

This is why I'd rather nuke the game developers which are unable to produce graphically reasonable games which run (and don't crawl) on 300+ dollar GPUs. I'd also blame NV for VRAM greed and AMD for everything-else greed.

No offense, but that's a wrong way to think, imo. A GPU being faster than everything else isn't a reason for the manufacturer to ask for more money than ever before. Every single GPU generation has always been faster than the last one. There is nothing new or revolutionary about that, it's called progress. If manufacturers had always asked for proportionately more money for their products, we'd be paying millions for a 4070.

Also, terms like "superflagship" are artificially invented terms to upsell some crap. It's a GPU like any other, what more do you want?

 

[Launcestonian]

Zen 5 launch & Microsoft shenanigans is more it.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Wrong. There is nothing faster in this segment (yes, you could argue there always are workstation and server GPUs even faster than that but these are not gaming GPUs and therefore aren't a valid comparison) = this GPU is superflagship. Of course the difference between old and new GPUs doesn't impress at all but it's there and 2080 Ti is still trading blows with ~350 USD next-gen devices. Which is, mind me, not a price one's okay to pay for a GPU that's unable of handling settings higher than the very minimum. These GPUs target 1080p High / 1440p High + DLSS, not "I can launch this game."

This is why I'd rather nuke the game developers which are unable to produce graphically reasonable games which run (and don't crawl) on 300+ dollar GPUs. I'd also blame NV for VRAM greed and AMD for everything-else greed.

I've actually owned most of then they are halo cards way more expensive for a little more performance it cost to get fastest..... but it doesn't give you significantly more longevity again someone could have purchased a 2070 super in 2019 and a 4070 in 2023 and been way ahead of 2080ti in perfomance for less money over that tine frame.... if longevity is important factor in multiple cards not just one expensive one over a couple generations.

No offense, but that's a wrong way to think, imo. A GPU being faster than everything else isn't a reason for the manufacturer to ask for more money than ever before. Every single GPU generation has always been faster than the last one. There is nothing new or revolutionary about that, it's called progress. If manufacturers had always asked for proportionately more money for their products, we'd be paying millions for a 4070.

Halo cards have always been expensive you buy them becuase you want the best not becuase of value or longevity. Like I said above factoring in 2 cards is going to put you in a better position than one expensive card over the same time frame.

 

[eidairaman1]

No offense, but that's a wrong way to think, imo. A GPU being faster than everything else isn't a reason for the manufacturer to ask for more money than ever before. Every single GPU generation has always been faster than the last one. There is nothing new or revolutionary about that, it's called progress. If manufacturers had always asked for proportionately more money for their products, we'd be paying millions for a 4070.

Also, terms like "superflagship" are artificially invented terms to upsell some crap. It's a GPU like any other, what more do you want?

Be nice to see a S3/SGI/Imagination Technologies-Power VR/Matrox Discreet GPU put a hurting on Intel, Nvidia and ATi.

 

[AusWolf]

I've actually owned most of then they are halo cards way more expensive for a little more performance it cost to get fastest..... but it doesn't give you significantly more longevity again someone could have purchased a 2070 super in 2019 and a 4070 in 2023 and been way ahead of 2080ti in perfomance for less money over that tine frame.... if longevity is important factor in multiple cards not just one expensive one over a couple generations.



Halo cards have always been expensive you buy them becuase you want the best not becuase of value or longevity. Like I said above factoring in 2 cards is going to put you in a better position than one expensive card over the same time frame.

Halo = a product for people with more money than brain. That's it, I've said it.

 

[64K]

NVidia could sell a 4090 for 600 dollars and still make significant profit.

They already do. That's what I've seen is around what Nvidia sells the 4090 for but you add in the costs for the card manufacturers for the components and the VRAM and then they have to make a profit too. Then there's marketing costs, distribution costs, retailer profits and by the time it gets to you a finished product in shiny packaging it costs triple that. Everyone along the chain is making a nice fat profit starting with Nvidia and that's the reason why the cards are overpriced. The point I'm trying to make is that if Nvidia reduced their price for the 4090 GPU it wouldn't make a tremendous difference in the $1,600 MSRP because all of the companies along the chain would have to lower their margins as well to end up with a significant price difference. That won't happen unless demand is reduced.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Halo = a product for people with more money than brain. That's it, I've said it.

When you got a wife that will straight up call you a pussy if you don't buy the halo card what is one supposed to do.

Thankfully on the next go around she won't care because we got a toddler running around

 

[AusWolf]

When you got a wife that will straight up call you a pussy if you don't buy the halo card what is one supposed to do.

Thankfully on the next go around she won't care because we got a toddler running around

That's even worse. Then, she'll call you a bad father if you don't buy the halo card for the little one.

I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. Even if I get a card for £500, she goes like "WHAAAT?! How much?"

Luckily, she understands that hobbies can be expensive, she's just even more shocked by recent prices than I am.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

That's even worse. Then, she'll call you a bad father if you don't buy the halo card for the little one.

I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. Even if I get a card for £500, she goes like "WHAAAT?! How much?"

Luckily, she understands that hobbies can be expensive, she's just even more shocked by recent prices than I am.

Little does she know 500 is basically the entry level for not getting a shite gpu at least for 1440p gaming especially for one who has banned FSR from his house.....

Yeah man I told her I am getting a 4080 FE and she said pussy...... Did the same when I told her I thought the 2080ti was too expensive.... She even busted my balls when I grabbed the 7800X3D because it was much cheaper than my last 2 cpus lol.... Keep in mind she has no clue and only sees the price as how good or bad it is lol she also knows she will get it after 2-3 years typically so that is a factor in the PC she uses.

Funny thing though when I grabbed a 4070 and 5800X3D for my brother she didn't say anything lol.....

 

[euphoria842]

If only Radeon knew how to take advantage of this situation instead of just pushing out video cards with a 50$ price disparity and calling it a day. Radeon needs to be heaps more competitive with pricing, so much so that even nvidia's superior feature-set isn't enough to sway people into the Green Camp.