Ryzen 7 7800x3d Cooling Problems

[RootinTootinPootin]

What's illogical is wasting money on an overpowered cooling solution for an 85W CPU with little to no tuning headroom.

who said you'd overspend? a simple watercooling kit with 280mm to 360mm rad would be pretty much enough for the CPU.

People with money don't grow it by wasting it.

pretty sure water cooling setups aren't disposable.

don't compare your idealism or just don't generalize since you just copied the idea of doing an AIO or simply a hunk of chunk of an Air cooler, I know a few people who considers water cooling as an investment (and its a wise one).

like what others say YMMV, TLDR, to each of our own, I find my water cooled 5900X worth it and it was fun (on a Crosshair 8 DH and doing 5ghz on single core load and 4.87Ghz on all core load).

 

[sethmatrix7]

who said you'd overspend? a simple watercooling kit with 280mm to 360mm rad would be pretty much enough for the CPU.

pretty sure water cooling setups aren't disposable.

don't compare your idealism or just don't generalize since you just copied the idea of doing an AIO or simply a hunk of chunk of an Air cooler, I know a few people who considers water cooling as an investment (and its a wise one).

like what others say YMMV, TLDR, to each of our own, I find my water cooled 5900X worth it and it was fun (on a Crosshair 8 DH and doing 5ghz on single core load and 4.87Ghz on all core load).

A waterblock alone costs twice a near top end AiO.

Wasting the money would be buying a more expensive cooling solution than what’s required for no reasonable tangible benefit.

To each their own indeed, if you want a cool looking custom loop- go for it, just don’t pretend it’s not a waste of money or that there is any reasonable benefit for the 7800x3d specifically unless you also delid the CPU. Idealism has nothing to do with it, its basic price to performance.

 

[AusWolf]

and that kinda translate to 99% people complaining (or gonna complain) about the unusually high..ehem!!

Who's complaining? I don't see anyone.

I just find it illogical not to buy a comparable "worth" of cooling solution, when you (or everyone) can afford that expensive hardware upgrade.

Don't forget, it also applies to the R5 7600X. Do you class that as an "expensive hardware upgrade" as well?

who said you'd overspend? a simple watercooling kit with 280mm to 360mm rad would be pretty much enough for the CPU.

Have you tried one? I have. A 280 mm AIO runs a 7700X at roughly 90-93 °C with Cinebench.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

its basic price to performance.

I'm not that guy, sorry..

Have you tried one?

Yes, it sucked, kinda/sorta, stock clocks and its HALLELUJAH!!!!! 80C!! (not on my personal builds, it was on a client build, anyways he's happy with 80c)

A 280 mm AIO runs a 7700X at roughly 90-93 °C with Cinebench.

errrr..personally, 90c isn't personally acceptable and if it just runs cough "near stock" cough..(forgive my sarcasm!! probably/maybe I am just built different, being too sensitive with those temps)

 

[AusWolf]

I'm not that guy, sorry..

Yes, it sucked, kinda/sorta, stock clocks and its HALLELUJAH!!!!! 80C!! (not on my personal builds, it was on a client build, anyways he's happy with 80c)

errrr..personally, 90c isn't personally acceptable and if it just runs cough "near stock" cough..(forgive my sarcasm!! probably/maybe I am just built different, being too sensitive with those temps)

It's perfectly acceptable to engineers at AMD, but it's not acceptable to you. And of course you know better because...?

Edit: Also don't forget that "stock" means base clock (meaning: boost clocks aren't guaranteed). At 4.5 GHz, the 7700X runs under 60 °C with a single tower cooler. Things only change when you apply boost, which is designed to run up to the chip's capabilities, or that of your cooling, whichever it hits first. What you're getting wrong is that neither limit matters, it's all within the design of the CPU. You can run a 7700X at 95 °C all day and night, and nothing will happen to it. I left mine crunching BOINC at 92-93 °C for a whole week once, and nothing happened.

 

[Zach_01]

Guys guys...
If anyone spends 500 or even 1000 to a custom water cool system its not a waste if he/she wants it and completes its goal.
PCs are hobby other than work and/or entertainment. And can be a very expensive one. No criticism there...

So we should stop saying what a waste of money and effort.
What we should keep saying to @RootinTootinPootin is that its not the normal/mainstream and that its definitely not necessary.

I'm perfectly fine with my CPU running at 35~80C with a silent AIO as 99% of users are (on temps not AIO).
Its normal and safe to peak at 75-80C and avg at 50-70C depending the workload.
That's a fact and no one can dispute it. We know it years now...

 

[thesmokingman]

is that its not the normal/mainstream and that its definitely not necessary.

That's just not true because otherwise true loops would not be a constant in this sector. What is more accurate would be to say for most it's not needed. However for some, we would never use a high end gpu/cpu w/o a real loop. Thus for some of us it is a necessity. Different strokes for different folks.

All that said, the problem is some posters in this thread have a hard time with letting others do what they do. You don't see me posting and bashing others why you on air... etc etc. The clownist thing is one suggesting do what you do but then turning around and trolling by saying its a waste of money. Not pointing at you ZACH btw.

 

[Zach_01]

That's just not true because otherwise true loops would not be a constant in this sector. What is more accurate would be to say for most it's not needed. However for some, we would never use a high end gpu/cpu w/o a real loop. Thus for some of us it is a necessity. Different strokes for different folks.

Depends on your goals really. I say its not necessary because not everyone wants to run its 5900X for example at 4.8+GHz all core load.
When you do want that then its necessary...

For default + a notch up speeds can be done with a nice air tower/AIO.

 

[AusWolf]

Guys guys...
If anyone spends 500 or even 1000 to a custom water cool system its not a waste if he/she wants it and completes its goal.
PCs are hobby other than work and/or entertainment. And can be a very expensive one. No criticism there...

So we should stop saying what a waste of money and effort.
What we should keep saying to @RootinTootinPootin is that its not the normal/mainstream and that its definitely not necessary.

I'm perfectly fine with my CPU running at 35~80C with a silent AIO as 99% of users are (on temps not AIO).
Its normal and safe to peak at 75-80C and avg at 50-70C depending the workload.
That's a fact and no one can dispute it. We know it years now...

I'm not saying it's a waste of money. I'm just saying that it isn't the only way to cool a modern CPU, as running under 60 °C is not a necessity, and hasn't been for a long time.

 

[Caring1]

What's illogical is wasting money on an overpowered cooling solution for an 85W CPU with little to no tuning headroom.

People with money don't grow it by wasting it. A decent air cooler performs fine with a 7800x3d, and there are near top end 360mm AiO options available for $60 (such as the FX360 Pro).

Custom loop is dead for people not running an intel space heater or people wanting the additional 2mhz in curve optimizer headroom you'd gain on a 7800x3d with a custom loop.

Hell someone may spend a ridiculous amount on a custom loop only to find the CPU won't do more than -10 CO due to silicon lottery.

I built mine for the experience and looks only.

 

[Waldorf]

love how most not using aio or loops, only seem to find its use for ocing, and very likely why they dont care to even try.
since 3770K i havent messed with oc, and still use LC for a major reason: silent cooling.

besides being inaudible at idle/low loads up to 65C (cpu) while 2ft away sitting on the desk, the heat from cpu is dumped outside the case, something no aircooler will ever be able to,
not even the ~150$ Noctua, this lowers case temps for everything else (pwm/drives/psu) incl the gpu by about 20-30* delta, allowing for higher boost clocks of the gpu,
unless your cards are below 46*C under full load (at least for Nv).
And with a large passive rad outside the case (like resorator), even under full load there is zero fan noise.
ignoring most case brands now offer stuff with options to side mount the rad, so you still can have top/rear fans for exhausting gpu air.

and for those making statements about cost:
pump/res/mounting stuff 35$
rad (copper 50$) 20$
cpu block 35$
tubing/barbs/elbows 60$
and adding 2 more barbs, can even include the gpu, again, not gonna happen with any air cooler, and the noctua is still more than my "custom" loop.

and ppl tend to buy what they like, and not always what's the cheapest option.
would "you" tell your nice she cant have the pink bike, because it cost more, and is physically identical to the blue/black one?
right.

 

[Launcestonian]

If you're going to the effort of lapping the IHS might as well just delid and use a better one, with better TIM, the upgrade heatspreader from TG is good.

That involves more expense for special brackets & tools, not interested. The only challenge I found with was fitting an after market tower HS with keeping in mind the height clearance to make a good even contact with the HS surface, a little experimenting there with different washers & screws needed. Just enough pressure but not too much so that it warps the board was the challenge. In the end I has to use a AM4 cooler not supported for AM5, lucky I had screws n' stuff left over from my aging Cryorig R1 ultimate tower cooler that did the job perfectly.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

What we should keep saying to @RootinTootinPootin is that its not the normal/mainstream and that its definitely not necessary.

what weed do you smoke man? not normal?? from what planet are you?

EDIT:

Edit: Also don't forget that "stock" means base clock (meaning: boost clocks aren't guaranteed). At 4.5 GHz, the 7700X runs under 60 °C with a single tower cooler. Things only change when you apply boost, which is designed to run up to the chip's capabilities, or that of your cooling, whichever it hits first. What you're getting wrong is that neither limit matters, it's all within the design of the CPU. You can run a 7700X at 95 °C all day and night, and nothing will happen to it. I left mine crunching BOINC at 92-93 °C for a whole week once, and nothing happened.

on a totally clueless user (like my client), this boosta thinga majigga won't matter, but to me personally, having low temps and keeping your system boosted to its max potential when you need/want it is where my point is, just saying "acceptable" won't still generalize everybody here, since like you mentioned AMD's kinda funky taking everything into consideration when its boosting, temps, voltages, your chip's capabilities based on its binning, etc etc etc..

personally I'd like to go a bit overkill on cooling (coz why not?!) having that extra frame squeezed out (because it boosted high enough/consistently without worrying temps!!) kinda makes me happy/satisfied, I am "that" kind of guy on my personal builds.

 

[AusWolf]

on a totally clueless user (like my client), this boosta thinga majigga won't matter, but to me personally, having low temps and keeping your system boosted to its max potential when you need/want it is where my point is, just saying "acceptable" won't still generalize everybody here, since like you mentioned AMD's kinda funky taking everything into consideration when its boosting, temps, voltages, your chip's capabilities based on its binning, etc etc etc..

personally I'd like to go a bit overkill on cooling (coz why not?!) having that extra frame squeezed out (because it boosted high enough/consistently without worrying temps!!) kinda makes me happy/satisfied, I am "that" kind of guy on my personal builds.

If you like overkill cooling, that's great. I appreciate it for the silence, myself. All I'm saying is, you don't need to shake your head on the thought of someone running a modern CPU at 80+ °C because it's completely normal.

 

[Zach_01]

what weed do you smoke man? not normal?? from what planet are you?

Don’t cherry pick words and interpret it as you wish and ignore others to support your narrative about my personality.

I said:

its not the normal/mainstream and that its definitely not necessary.

My planet is the one that the meaning (by google) of

Normal =



So in what planet having a custom loop that costs hundreds of $\£\€ is standard, usual, typical, expected and in other words mainstream?

If you took the “not normal” as something else then it’s not my fault.
If you do think that your cooling configuration is used in more than 1% of the users then again it’s not my fault.

Yes we know that Ryzens boost to full potential if their temps are <50C. That doesn’t make the ultra expensive cooling configuration normal (=standard, usual, typical) among users.

 

[Blaeza]

On the subject of cooling, I got 2 SilverStone Air Blazer 120mm 2200RPM. Lost 1C. Lol.

 

[Brotato]

AIOs are fine. AM5 runs hot.

If I didn’t water cool my gpu I would have stuck with my 420 AIO for my cpu.

Why run one on a 7800x3d and 4070ti? Because I wanted to and can….and Gpu throttling.

This is an enthusiast’s website and forum. You are going to get significantly more users with water cooled setups than not.

Non enthusiasts probably are on a laptop or some dell or Lenovo desktop purchased during a holiday discount special.

OP, your temps are fine.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

OP, having a 7800x3d and a 420 cooler myself, i wouldnt worry about your temps unless you are throttling. I dont throttle and Ive had poorly optimized games load the cpu without issue.