7800x3d vs 7950x3d vs 9900x vs in the future for gaming.

[SKRDPTSGL]

This is a salient point. 7th gen aged like warm milk. In a couple of years it was an i3; insulting.

For gaming, the 7800X3D will be great for years to come. With the exception of a few rare outliers, the console effect is a good guide. You won't need more threads than 16, and the IPC, clocks, and v-cache give you plenty of breathing room. Even with ray tracing and tech like the swarm engine in Space Marine 2, and PS5 dedicated Oodle Kraken being the CPUs job on PC.

Can i overclock 7800x3d with a mid range 240 or 280 liquid cooler?

7800X3D. It's better to buy based on what is the best performing now and not a "future-proof", more expensive option. You can pocket the extra funds you save and put it towards a faster upgrade cadence should you feel the need.

Will am5 supported until 2027?I'll buy a 870E motheboard,but do i have to buy a faster than 6000 mhz ram without pushing it more than 6000 mhz for now but just in case i have to upgrade my cpu in the future?

 

[evernessince]

Will am5 supported until 2027?

Yes, AM5 supported through 2027 (so up to the last day of 2027).

I'll buy a 870E motheboard,

First you should ask yourself if you need an X870E motherboard. Do you need the extra chipset lanes or USB ports? If you just have a single graphics card with 1 - 3 M.2 SSDs, that would work perfectly fine on a B650E motherboard. If you think you do need the extra connectivity, you might consider X670E. The primary benefit of X870E over X670E is USB 4.0 plus some quality of life features like easy release PCIe slots just due to them being newer boards. Otherwise they are identical.

but do i have to buy a faster than 6000 mhz ram without pushing it more than 6000 mhz for now but just in case i have to upgrade my cpu in the future?

Nope, just get the fastest DDR5 6000 you can find. Currently the best kit out of the box is the G.Skill DDR5 6000 CL28. You'd have to run a higher frequency kit at DDR5 6000 but unless you go through and tune you'd be keeping all the loose timings that are built into the EXPO / XMP profile designed to make the higher frequency work. I'd recommend against that simply because you can tune a DDR5 6000 kit to performe as good as a higher frequency kit by tightening timings. The difference is with the DDR5 6000 CL 28 or CL 30 kit you don't have to, you'll get good performance out of the box.

Can i overclock 7800x3d with a mid range 240 or 280 liquid cooler?

You can't really overclock a 7800X3D. The way you get more performance with this chip is applying an undervolt + PBO. With a 240 or 280mm AIO I'd recommend just doing the undervolt.

 

[dirtyferret]

six and eight cores are meaningless terms, I can't believe people still post this crap

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[Vayra86]

Can i overclock 7800x3d with a mid range 240 or 280 liquid cooler?

No need, just plonk a 40 dollar dual stack air tower on it and call it a day. These things game at 50 watts. Its crazy

I've bought this CPU for the same reason as yourself. Gaming, and being future proof to the extent of the lifetime of the CPU/platform which I consider to be around 7 years time. I've managed to buy my CPUs like this since the 3570K, only upgrading when we got the first 6 core Intels (8700K) and now to this one. I think today we're in a space where CPU performance requirements for gaming is going to stall bigtime; the APIs have improved for multi core CPUs and there is no shortage of raw performance anywhere. Even much cheaper CPUs will game well for a long time.

 

[csendesmark]

What about 7950x or 9950x?As for the 9800x3d it's possible to be released among intel's next gen?

I have nothing to add, for gaming and AMD CPU with the highest frequency with 8 cores.

 

[SKRDPTSGL]

Yes, AM5 supported through 2027 (so up to the last day of 2027).



First you should ask yourself if you need an X870E motherboard. Do you need the extra chipset lanes or USB ports? If you just have a single graphics card with 1 - 3 M.2 SSDs, that would work perfectly fine on a B650E motherboard. If you think you do need the extra connectivity, you might consider X670E. The primary benefit of X870E over X670E is USB 4.0 plus some quality of life features like easy release PCIe slots just due to them being newer boards. Otherwise they are identical.



Nope, just get the fastest DDR5 6000 you can find. Currently the best kit out of the box is the G.Skill DDR5 6000 CL28. You'd have to run a higher frequency kit at DDR5 6000 but unless you go through and tune you'd be keeping all the loose timings that are built into the EXPO / XMP profile designed to make the higher frequency work. I'd recommend against that simply because you can tune a DDR5 6000 kit to performe as good as a higher frequency kit by tightening timings. The difference is with the DDR5 6000 CL 28 or CL 30 kit you don't have to, you'll get good performance out of the box.



You can't really overclock a 7800X3D. The way you get more performance with this chip is applying an undervolt + PBO. With a 240 or 280mm AIO I'd recommend just doing the undervolt.

Very helpful.The truth is that i won't risk to do anything to my cpu but Is a 280 liquid cooler better than a good air cooler or i need a 360 liquid cooler?I agree for 6000mhz Cl 30 or 28 for ram.Is B650E ok if i want a cpu upgrade in the future?

Yes, AM5 supported through 2027 (so up to the last day of 2027).



First you should ask yourself if you need an X870E motherboard. Do you need the extra chipset lanes or USB ports? If you just have a single graphics card with 1 - 3 M.2 SSDs, that would work perfectly fine on a B650E motherboard. If you think you do need the extra connectivity, you might consider X670E. The primary benefit of X870E over X670E is USB 4.0 plus some quality of life features like easy release PCIe slots just due to them being newer boards. Otherwise they are identical.



Nope, just get the fastest DDR5 6000 you can find. Currently the best kit out of the box is the G.Skill DDR5 6000 CL28. You'd have to run a higher frequency kit at DDR5 6000 but unless you go through and tune you'd be keeping all the loose timings that are built into the EXPO / XMP profile designed to make the higher frequency work. I'd recommend against that simply because you can tune a DDR5 6000 kit to performe as good as a higher frequency kit by tightening timings. The difference is with the DDR5 6000 CL 28 or CL 30 kit you don't have to, you'll get good performance out of the box.



You can't really overclock a 7800X3D. The way you get more performance with this chip is applying an undervolt + PBO. With a 240 or 280mm AIO I'd recommend just doing the undervolt.

 

[Zach_01]

Very helpful.The truth is that i won't risk to do anything to my cpu but Is a 280 liquid cooler better than a good air cooler or i need a 360 liquid cooler?I agree for 6000mhz Cl 30 or 28 for ram.Is B650E ok if i want a cpu upgrade in the future?

We like to believe (since AM5 will be supported through 2026-2027) that Zen6 will also be on AM5.
So If someone is building now an AM5 system with Zen4 (7000series) can skip Zen5 and in 3-4years upgrade to Zen6 (10000-11000series or whatever AMD will call it)
No one really knows if boards with 600series chipset will support Zen6 but if AMD wants to even come close to AM4 longevity and success with AM5 they better make it work.

 

[evernessince]

Very helpful.The truth is that i won't risk to do anything to my cpu but Is a 280 liquid cooler better than a good air cooler or i need a 360 liquid cooler?

280mm is very close performance wise to a good air cooler. You can get something like the Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO for $36 and that's going to perform on par with 240 / 280 AIOs and top of the line Air Coolers. It's an absolute steal at the price.

A good 360mm liquid cooler will run about 4-5c cooler than the best Air Coolers. If you take a look at TPU's CPU cooler reviews, you can get a top of the line 360mm unit for $70 - $110 (for example: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/montech-hyperflow-argb-360-aio-liquid-cpu-cooler/9.html)

My recommendation would be that if you are budget conscious get the Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 Evo (or if that's not available the Thermalright peerless assassin IV or the id-cooling frozn a620)

If you have a bit more to spend though a want the extra 1-3% performance a better cooler will provide, get the one of the high performance, high value 360mm AIOs from the TPU review linked above.

Is B650E ok if i want a cpu upgrade in the future?

Unless something crazy happens like AMD not releasing a new generation CPU until after 2027, yes you should have upgrade options available to you.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Which one is more futureproof for gaming?I know that future proofing is many times stupid,but in 2017 built a pc using i7 7700k over the 6 core 6800k a 6 core Ryzen 5 1600x or even an 8 core Ryzen 7 1700,1800x because everyone was saying that 4 cores will be enough for years.Some months later i realized that i made a huge mistake.Now it's time for a new built and i don't want to make the same mistake.I know that at this time 7800x3d seems like a very good choice for gaming but what will happen in the future?What are your suggestions?I'am willing to spend the extra money but does it worth it?

I would suggest holding out until the 9800X3D comes to market. It's supposed to be the best of the bunch.

 

[tussinman]

Which one is more futureproof for gaming?I know that future proofing is many times stupid,but in 2017 built a pc using i7 7700k over the 6 core 6800k a 6 core Ryzen 5 1600x or even an 8 core Ryzen 7 1700,1800x because everyone was saying that 4 cores will be enough for years.Some months later i realized that i made a huge mistake.

To be fair the issue with the 7700k was the IPC more so it being a quad core. The 1600x and 1800x (both same era with more cores) didn't really age that much better, the IPC on all 3 of those CPUs were considered weak by the time the early 2020s rolled around. An almost 3-year-old i3 12100 would perform significantly better than those 3 CPUs even with it only being a quad.

Mid to late 2010s was a weird stagnant period and was right before the next gen consoles came out which isn't usually a good time to try to future proof anything anyways

six and eight cores are meaningless terms, I can't believe people still post this crap

To say "6 cores is all you need for gaming" or inversely "6 cores aren't enough for gaming" grossly oversimplifies the situation, and really, both are wrong, because, you guessed it, you don't want to be talking about core count when it comes to gaming performance.

100% agreed.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

To be fair the issue with the 7700k was the IPC more so it being a quad core. The 1600x and 1800x (both same era with more cores) didn't really age that much better, the IPC on all 3 of those CPUs were considered weak by the time the early 2020s rolled around. An almost 3-year-old i3 12100 would perform significantly better than those 3 CPUs even with it only being a quad.

There are scenarios where the R5 1600 aged better than the i5 6500k/7600k which were priced equally or in some cases more expensive. The issue is that takes a long time and is not always true of all scenarios and by the time it does happen you'd want to upgrade either cpu anyways.

I think the most important thing is just to get somthing balanced overall you don't need to go crazy just don't grab a potato either.

R5 7600 is a good example it'll likely game well for a long time dropping to say a R5 5600 will save you money sure but in some of the more modern open world games it really struggles comparatively.

Just as an example as well I'd rather have a R5 7600 and a 4070ti vs having a 7800X3D and a 4070 super or their amd alternatives... Gpu should still be the priority in a gaming build.

 

[SKRDPTSGL]

There are scenarios where the R5 1600 aged better than the i5 6500k/7600k which were priced equally or in some cases more expensive. The issue is that takes a long time and is not always true of all scenarios and by the time it does happen you'd want to upgrade either cpu anyways.

I think the most important thing is just to get somthing balanced overall you don't need to go crazy just don't grab a potato either.

R5 7600 is a good example it'll likely game well for a long time dropping to say a R5 5600 will save you money sure but in some of the more modern open world games it really struggles comparatively.

Just as an example as well I'd rather have a R5 7600 and a 4070ti vs having a 7800X3D and a 4070 super or their amd alternatives... Gpu should still be the priority in a gaming build.

As a cheap Gpu i'm thinking this: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p3YRsY/sparkle-roc-oc-arc-a770-16-gb-video-card-sa770r-16goc but how bad is it?For a more expensive one i'm thinking a 7800xt or 7900GRE unless if 4070 super is better.
Note that right now i have a 4k 60hz which i'am thinking to upgrade to a 2k but with more hz(120 or 144) 27" with freesync and IPS panel.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

As a cheap Gpu i'm thinking this: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p3YRsY/sparkle-roc-oc-arc-a770-16-gb-video-card-sa770r-16goc but how bad is it?For a more expensive one i'm thinking a 7800xt or 7900GRE unless if 4070 super is better.
Note that right now i have a 4k 60hz which i'am thinking to upgrade to a 2k but with more hz(120 or 144) 27" with freesync and IPS panel.

It's a really low end gpu that competes with a 4060/7600 most the time I'd ignore it for anything but 1080p gaming.

I like the 7900GRE and 4070 super the most out of those 3 depending on price if the 7800XT is 75-100 usd cheaper it gets interesting.

Between the 4070 super/7900GRE they both have pros and cons depending on use case I think 1440p 120-165hz makes way more sense for that level of gpu but DLSS since around 3.4 is really good in most games to the point I think 4k with performance DLSS looks slightly better than 1440p with quality DLSS which are less than 10% apart performance wise so it just depends. Alternatively it'll come down to what settings you want to use etc but 1440p is a good middle ground especially if you don't want to use upscaling.

I'd pick the 4070 super for how I like to game but if someone else preferred the 7900GRE I wouldn't argue with them you really have to split hairs with them it just comes down to price difference really I wouldn't pay more than 50 usd more for the 4070 super.

 

[SKRDPTSGL]

It's a really low end gpu that competes with a 4060/7600 most the time I'd ignore it for anything but 1080p gaming.

I like the 7900GRE and 4070 super the most out of those 3 depending on price if the 7800XT is 75-100 usd cheaper it gets interesting.

Between the 4070 super/7900GRE they both have pros and cons depending on use case I think 1440p 120-165hz makes way more sense for that level of gpu but DLSS since around 3.4 is really good in most games to the point I think 4k with performance DLSS looks slightly better than 1440p with quality DLSS which are less than 10% apart performance wise so it just depends. Alternatively it'll come down to what settings you want to use etc but 1440p is a good middle ground especially if you don't want to use upscaling.

I'd pick the 4070 super for how I like to game but if someone else preferred the 7900GRE I wouldn't argue with them you really have to split hairs with them it just comes down to price difference really I wouldn't pay more than 50 usd more for the 4070 super.

So,4070 super is better than 7900GRE despite that has 4GB less VRAM?7800xt is tempting because it's cheaper but how much lacks in performance?

 

[Zach_01]

So,4070 super is better than 7900GRE despite that has 4GB less VRAM?7800xt is tempting because it's cheaper but how much lacks in performance?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

So,4070 super is better than 7900GRE despite that has 4GB less VRAM?7800xt is tempting because it's cheaper but how much lacks in performance?

I like DLSS way more than FSR it's clearly Been superior and even after the 3.1 update it still lags. RT performance also lags on AMD although the GRE isn't horrible at it.

None of those 3 cards are fast enough for me to care about 12 vs 16 keep in mind with current high end ue5 games (large amount of developers are switching to this) I view them as 1080p cards already unless you rely on upscaling which like I said above is superior on Nvidia.

I would look at the games you want to play and how you want to play them then decide.

 

[lexluthermiester]

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If you're going to highlight someone's error, at least highlight the right cards..

 

[Zach_01]

If you're going to highlight someone's error, at least highlight the right cards..
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I highlighted the 7800XT because...

So,4070 super is better than 7900GRE despite that has 4GB less VRAM? 7800xt is tempting because it's cheaper but how much lacks in performance?

 

[phanbuey]

I like DLSS way more than FSR it's clearly Been superior and even after the 3.1 update it still lags. RT performance also lags on AMD although the GRE isn't horrible at it.

None of those 3 cards are fast enough for me to care about 12 vs 16 keep in mind with current high end ue5 games (large amount of developers are switching to this) I view them as 1080p cards already unless you rely on upscaling which like I said above is superior on Nvidia.

I would look at the games you want to play and how you want to play them then decide.

I game on my walmart deal laptop sometimes - 1440P 17" 240hz screen with a 4060 (laptop) w 128 bit 8 GB.

Upscaling and frame gen 100% save this laptop. If it wasnt for that it would be unusable... with it actualy games amazing - getting 130FPS in cyberpunk and it actually looks amazing. Comparing raw performance on such weak cards and ignoring the 50-100% boost that you will gain from the software is insane. No gamer in their mind is leaving this off if they're available on these cards.

 

[Dr. Dro]

7800X3D or 7950X3D/9950X. Do not buy a 6+6 processor for gaming