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Imperator · Sep 19, 2024

Based on the latest info you provided,. i personally recommend NOT to buy it.
But it is your choice.

Octavious · Sep 19, 2024

Thanks guys for your advice. I won't even consider the ASUS one. But when he sends me the .rom file from the MSI Armor I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, could it be a viable option to consider, based on its FurMark test?
I also want to add that for those telling me to buy a higher card or to save up until I can afford a better one, this is my current budget and I need a card right now. Later on, I will follow your advice when I can afford something better. Thank you all.

lexluthermiester · Sep 19, 2024

Octavious said:
this is my current budget and I need a card right now.

Then that is what you get. If an RX570 4GB is all you can afford currently and it's an upgrade from what you have currently, get it, enjoy it and when you can afford better upgrade then.

Sithaer · Sep 19, 2024

I've had a RX 570 4GB between 2018 and 2021 as my daily driver, almost had it for exactly 3 years and it was an ex miner card since the seller admited it anyway. 'gave me warranty tho so I was like whatever'
The card was still in a working condition when I've sold it off in late 2021, I've re pasted/padded it before selling it off ofc.
It all depends on how well the previous owner/s took care of it, my bro's GTX 970 is STILL his daily driver and that thing is older than my RX 570 was..

For what its worth there are a lot of fun/lighter games that can be played on a RX 570 just fine, I've even put ~800 hours of gameplay into Borderlands 3 with that damn card and I've had a blast. :laugh:

As a matter of fact I was also considering on picking one up for around ~50$ just to have it at hand/put away in a box as an emergency card in case my 3060 Ti randomly kicks the bucket.

Lost_Troll · Sep 19, 2024

Octavious said:
Thanks guys for your advice. I won't even consider the ASUS one. But when he sends me the .rom file from the MSI Armor I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, could it be a viable option to consider, based on its FurMark test?
I also want to add that for those telling me to buy a higher card or to save up until I can afford a better one, this is my current budget and I need a card right now. Later on, I will follow your advice when I can afford something better. Thank you all.

If you doubt the cards working order, take a look on AliExpress for the RX570 and RX580 cards. These can be had new for 75$ US from good sellers.

dgianstefani · Sep 19, 2024

Lost_Troll said:
If you doubt the cards working order, take a look on AliExpress for the RX570 and RX580 cards. These can be had new for 75$ US from good sellers.

"new".

Often those AliExpress cards are old chips in new coolers/packaging.

Please remember these are eight year old products.

Lost_Troll · Sep 19, 2024

dgianstefani said:
"new".

Often those AliExpress cards are old chips in new coolers/packaging.

Please remember these are eight year old products.

These are new chips, and not everyone has the money to buy the latest and greatest PC parts.

dgianstefani · Sep 19, 2024

Lost_Troll said:
These are new chips, and not everyone has the money to buy the latest and greatest PC parts.

Has rx 580's production been stopped?

Hello. About 3 weeks ago my GPU crashed and I sent it for warranty. They answered me today. They say that the production of the rx 580 has stopped. That's why they said they didn't have any other gpu so they would pay the price back. But the price they will pay is 10% of the current price. Has...

community.amd.com

2021 - "production discontinued"

Just because it's being sold as "new" and a YouTuber got a "new" card, doesn't mean it's not a chip ripped from a mined PCB that's worn out, cleaned, and put into a new cooler/PCB. Sellers do lie, you know, and the average consumer wouldn't be able to tell until their "new" card dies, if it ever worked. What's the warranty with Aliexpress? 30 days? Long enough for that bodge to work before becoming unreturnable.

This is common practice on Aliexpress and there are plenty of testimonials/exposes if you care to look.

Unless AMD thinks it's profitable to continue producing a hilariously obsolete card well into 2024, anything is possible.

lexluthermiester · Sep 19, 2024

dgianstefani said:
"new".

Often those AliExpress cards are old chips in new coolers/packaging.

Please remember these are eight year old products.

Yeah, that does happen. It happens a lot less nowadays due to the AliExpress buyer satisfaction policies.

Lost_Troll said:
These are new chips, and not everyone has the money to buy the latest and greatest PC parts.

True. Not everyone can afford the latest or even close to it. There's no shame in this either. In a post-pandemic depressed economic world, people gotta go for what they can get.

FreedomEclipse · Sep 19, 2024

Lost_Troll said:
These are new chips, and not everyone has the money to buy the latest and greatest PC parts.

The China market has this thing where they'll rip components off completely dead or faulty bits of hardware and repurpose/recycle them into something new. Thats while you'll see mobile GPu's ending up being sold as desktop GPus in China and YTC has reviewed some of these cards on his channel already. I highly doubt they are new chips. Its not just GPus they've done this with. They've done it with desktop chipsets aswell... X79, X99 come to mind and some of these have also been reviewed by YTC

Chomiq · Sep 19, 2024

Lost_Troll said:
These are new chips, and not everyone has the money to buy the latest and greatest PC parts.

And that very same video TechYesCity says that he wouldn't spend more than $35 for a 580 8GB, and that was in 2022.

Here we're talking about 580 4GB in 2024. I wouldn't buy that for a fiver. Hell, even my old 1060 6GB would cost less than shipping cost to Egypt.

jak_2456 · Sep 19, 2024

Regarding the performance of the RX 570, I used to daily-drive an RX 480 4 GB a couple years ago. It wasn't that bad and it handled the games I wanted to play, but I knew the person who gave it to me and they didn't mine on it. I'd be quite skeptical of such a card with a strange BIOS; however, if OP isn't going to be using it that long, I guess it might be fine to roll the dice and buy it. If that's their only option, just try and find the least suspect one and buy it. I agree that I wouldn't go with that vendor unless I didn't have a choice, though.

VuurVOS · Sep 19, 2024

Octavious said:
Thanks guys for your advice. I won't even consider the ASUS one. But when he sends me the .rom file from the MSI Armor I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, could it be a viable option to consider, based on its FurMark test?
I also want to add that for those telling me to buy a higher card or to save up until I can afford a better one, this is my current budget and I need a card right now. Later on, I will follow your advice when I can afford something better. Thank you all.

The "MSI" bios was modified to look like a MSI BIOS while it was originally an Asus bios. It wasn't even valid! Do you really want to be ripped off?
DONT BUY ANYTHING FROM THAT GUY. How much clearer do we need to be?

lexluthermiester · Sep 20, 2024

VuurVOS said:
The "MSI" bios was modified to look like a MSI BIOS while it was originally an Asus bios. It wasn't even valid! Do you really want to be ripped off?
DONT BUY ANYTHING FROM THAT GUY. How much clearer do we need to be?

I might have missed something, but what's your supporting evidence?

Octavious · Sep 20, 2024

VuurVOS said:
The "MSI" bios was modified to look like a MSI BIOS while it was originally an Asus bios. It wasn't even valid! Do you really want to be ripped off?
DONT BUY ANYTHING FROM THAT GUY. How much clearer do we need to be?

The .rom file he sent, and which I forwarded, was from the ASUS one that I posted a picture of here. This means that the .rom file was not from the MSI Armor one at all. He was supposed to send me the .rom from the MSI Armor one, but he hasn’t replied yet, so I think he’s starting to get tired of my many questions lol.
Anyway, what are the basics I should look for when examining a graphics card? And how can I tell if the BIOS is modified by looking at the .rom file like you do, is it very complicated?

jak_2456 · Sep 20, 2024

If possible, go to another vendor other than the first one you spoke with. The strange BIOSes on their cards are quite suspect. The card you buy should have a stock BIOS unless you don't have a choice.

inquisitor1 · Sep 20, 2024

in a country where salaries arent high, you get according to what you can buy. I myself can get newer GPU but still pefer to get older gpu. I generally prefer buying used for little money after a few years of use.

but really, save up and get the 4090 or 7900xtx, or youre not a real gamer (sarcasm)

VuurVOS · Sep 20, 2024

Octavious said:
The .rom file he sent, and which I forwarded, was from the ASUS one that I posted a picture of here. This means that the .rom file was not from the MSI Armor one at all. He was supposed to send me the .rom from the MSI Armor one, but he hasn’t replied yet, so I think he’s starting to get tired of my many questions lol.
Anyway, what are the basics I should look for when examining a graphics card? And how can I tell if the BIOS is modified by looking at the .rom file like you do, is it very complicated?

Left side is the bios you shared with us. It was edited to look like a MSI bios (see MSI highligthed) while the part number (115-D009PI0-101) belongs to Asus. It is also an invalid bios due the editing.
Right side is the original Asus bios which belongs to an Asus EX-RX570-O4G

There are enough signs to not buy from that guy. Do all of us a favor and start looking for different seller.

Imperator · Sep 20, 2024

Thanks to @VuurVOS for such detailed info.
He not only pointed out that the card was used for mining, but he highlighted the fact that the previous owner wanted to mislead the buyer by editing the BIOS.
After all this info, we strongly advise you NOT to buy any of those cards from that seller.
If you are limited to 50 USD there is no need to buy those cards.
Yes you will be in that area, older cards, used and some of them ex "miner"
But if you buy for example RX 580 or RX590, at least buy them from a trusted seller in your area.
Test the card in his computer, make a lot of pictures, ask him to save the bios and you upload it here for us in order to check it for edited parts.
Good luck mate!

Octavious · Sep 20, 2024

VuurVOS said:
Left side is the bios you shared with us. It was edited to look like a MSI bios (see MSI highligthed) while the part number (115-D009PI0-101) belongs to Asus. It is also an invalid bios due the editing.
Right side is the original Asus bios which belongs to an Asus EX-RX570-O4G

I don't know if u guys don't understand me yet but actually it was exported from Asus EX-RX570-O4G, and he admitted it. He was too lazy to swap the two cards to extract the file from the MSI Armor, but he just wanted to humor me.

Imperator said:
Thanks to @VuurVOS for such detailed info.
He not only pointed out that the card was used for mining, but he highlighted the fact that the previous owner wanted to mislead the buyer by editing the BIOS.
After all this info, we strongly advise you NOT to buy any of those cards from that seller.
If you are limited to 50 USD there is no need to buy those cards.
Yes you will be in that area, older cards, used and some of them ex "miner"
But if you buy for example RX 580 or RX590, at least buy them from a trusted seller in your area.
Test the card in his computer, make a lot of pictures, ask him to save the bios and you upload it here for us in order to check it for edited parts.
Good luck mate!

I will do that. Thanks

TheinsanegamerN · Sep 20, 2024

inquisitor1 said:
in a country where salaries arent high, you get according to what you can buy. I myself can get newer GPU but still pefer to get older gpu. I generally prefer buying used for little money after a few years of use.

but really, save up and get the 4090 or 7900xtx, or youre not a real gamer (sarcasm)

Well that's a little disingenuous.

Nobody said you need a 4090. Yes, lower wage countries will struggle to get hardware, but at the same time, that doesnt mean recommending an EOL product is a good idea. Like, yeah, he can get this rx 570 for $75, or for $100 you can get a 1660 that is much faster, still has 5 years of driver support left in it, and has 6GB of video memory.

Nop, with OP in egypt I cant comment on their used market, but perhaps OP didnt know that hardware like a 1660 can also be found cheap. I'd be curious what such hardware costs in his region.

Lost_Troll said:
These are new chips, and not everyone has the money to buy the latest and greatest PC parts.

You dont need the money to buy the latest, there's just much better options for not that much more money. If saving for another month or two gets you a 1660 instead of a 570, that is going to provide a far superior experience both now and years from now.

Chrispy_ · Sep 20, 2024

The low-end dGPU market is garbage because neither AMD nor Nvidia have made any good entry-level products in half a decade, so what's left is four-generations old at least, almost certainly heavily used, price-scalped genuinely new cards, burnt-out ex-mining cards, 'scam' new cards made by ripping GPU dies off cooked mining PCBs, and of crusty old hardware on ebay/FB/CL that's maybe not been mined on but is old and tired anyway.

It's really hard to recommend anything used at all from the pre-RTX and pre 5000-series low-end cards because of the high price they all command as a result of the market shortage of good, low-end graphics cards. High demand and low supply means terrible value for money, so you really really are just better off buying the cheapest current-generation card that's still in production.

That's an RTX 3050 or an RX 6600, most likely. You get a warranty, driver support, features that some games actually need these days, and significantly better performance/Watt than older hardware - which can be a non-trivial cost given the price of electricity in some places.

The 6500XT and RX 6400 exist as desktop graphics cards, but they're not really desktop graphics cards and they wouldn't exist unless the GPU market was so utterly destroyed by COVID and ETH mining in 2021. Unless you find them for under $75 they're really bad options that perform like $50 RX570 cards and are closer to minimal display adapters like the Geforce GT730 in terms of capabilities than a modern GPU with encode/decode and enough PCIe lanes to work in a variety of new and old boards without penalty.

Octavious · Sep 20, 2024

The GTX 1660 Super, the one whose picture I uploaded below, is new and costs around $175 here, which is currently not a possible option because it's too expensive for me. Therefore, I am looking for something like the RX 570 in better condition than the one I have, as I bought one in 2021 and now its temperature rises insanely, even after changing its thermal paste using MX-4. Additionally, it reaches 85°C on FurMark within two minutes.

eidairaman1 · Sep 21, 2024

Octavious said:
The GTX 1660 Super, the one whose picture I uploaded below, is new and costs around $175 here, which is currently not a possible option because it's too expensive for me. Therefore, I am looking for something like the RX 570 in better condition than the one I have, as I bought one in 2021 and now its temperature rises insanely, even after changing its thermal paste using MX-4. Additionally, it reaches 85°C on FurMark within two minutes.

Do not use mx4, get thermal pads

Imperator · Sep 21, 2024

Well as @eidairaman1 told you earlier it seems that you used a wrong material for your card.
There are 2 types of materials used for thermal transfer in your card:
1 - Thermal pads - marked with red in picture (please be advised that there are 2 thickness for pads - one for memory chips and one for vrm's)
2 - Thermal paste - marked with green in picture

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Has rx 580's production been stopped?

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