Intel 12,13th,14th. Differences.

[Oldschool297]

What is the main differences. Is any of the generations better then a newer? I know that 12th generation started with the effective cores. E-Cores. To have many cores may not always be the best. I look more for high speed and performance.

 

[dgianstefani]

More cores, cache and revised V/F curve due to better process on 13/14th gen, which are otherwise the same with different frequencies.

Read the reviews to find out more.

 

[phints]

What is the main differences. Is any of the generations better then a newer? I know that 12th generation started with the effective cores. E-Cores. To have many cores may not always be the best. I look more for high speed and performance.

More E-cores (aka Cinebench Accelerators), higher voltage and frequencies thus much higher power consumption. Very small improvements to IPC across those 3 gens.

 

[phanbuey]

higher clocks and higher ring frequency, higher DDR5 support - basically clocks with a few latency tweaks.

Does make a big difference in games tho, the min FPS on 13th gen is really nice.

This is a good general example -- 13700k is basically a slightly faster 12900KS with better frametimes.
Core i7 13700K vs Core i9 12900KS | Which is More Efficient for Gaming in 2023? (youtube.com)

 

[SchumannFrequency]

The difference between an Intel 12700KF, 13700KF and 14700KF is barely perceptible in many popular games.

Here are some examples.

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These then are the differences if you use the most powerful GPU.
For the vast majority of gamers, the differences are smaller in practice since they are much more likely to have a GPU bottleneck.

 

[Ruru]

12th gen CPUs don't fail like 13th and 14th ones. Even though they may be a little slower, I'd get a 12700K/KF or a 12900K/KF/KS any day instead of a newer one.

 

[SchumannFrequency]

12th gen CPUs don't fail like 13th and 14th ones. Even though they may be a little slower, I'd get a 12700K/KF or a 12900K/KF/KS any day instead of a newer one.

I have used the Intel 12600KF + DDR5 and the Intel 12700KF + DDR4 for a long time and they both work very well under OpenBSD and Linux.
For single core performance: Intel 12600KF + DDR5 = Intel 12700KF + DDR4. In OpenBSD, I have never had a CPU related problem with these two CPUs.

The fact that they are slower is also just not noticeable in many situations. In gaming, most gamers have a GPU which is almost always going to be the bottleneck instead of the CPU.
For web browsing, the internet connection is usually going to be the bottleneck. For other tasks, RAM speed or SSD IOPS is going to be the major bottleneck.

There is often barely any difference in user experience between the best CPU that currently exists and the Intel 12700KF.

 

[mclaren85]

I am shocked that only one fellow mentioned about failure of recent intel cpus. Intel is on decline. Don't buy now.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I am shocked that only one fellow mentioned about failure of recent intel cpus. Intel is on decline. Don't buy now.

Or that it's a dead platform. AM5 or wait for Arrow Lake is my advice.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

Or that it's a dead platform. AM5 or wait for Arrow Lake is my advice.

even if its a dead platform, would you think it will be a slouch on current apps and games? look at the AM4, its also a dead platform, was it slow even up to today's apps and games? you're all bashing intel on a very stupid basis, if you're not even overclocking or even using a Z moniker board you won't even degrade a tad bit.

 

[IntelNick]

12th-14th aren't "huge" jumps, which honestly makes some of the more entry level 12th-13th gen chips a bargain IMHO (12100-12400F-13100-13400F, etc)

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

12th-14th aren't "huge" jumps, which honestly makes some of the more entry level 12th-13th gen chips a bargain IMHO (12100-12400F-13100-13400F, etc)

I am using a 12400 with a B660-F Strix combo with B-Clock overclock and doing 130 on the external clock and a push of 1.4v its easy peasy 5.3ghz on plain sight and its cheap. got bored with my main rig.

 

[JWNoctis]

I am shocked that only one fellow mentioned about failure of recent intel cpus. Intel is on decline. Don't buy now.

Actually, do buy on the following conditions: The latest microcode fixes are proven to work, and probably on what would essentially be a fire sale. Or wait for how Arrow Lake looks.

Speaking as someone who still have a 11th gen SFF setup, 12th gen was apparently quite a good step up in architectural terms except for the elimination of AVX512 and associated SIMD capabilities in client processors for those who need them, while the 13/14th gen landed Intel in hot water, as mentioned.

 

[Oldschool297]

I read about the trouble with gen 13 and 14. Is that on all? Intel has told it can be too high . And 3 other factors. It would be their resposibilty to get customers new processors if this is the case. You could update bios according to intel but then the motherboard manufactors must create new bios? Do i do myself a favour to get a 12th until Intel has solved this?

 

[Dr. Dro]

12th Gen - Alder Lake (Golden Cove P-cores and Gracemont E-cores, max 8+8)
13th and 14th Gen - Raptor Lake (Raptor Cove P-cores and Gracemont E-cores, max 8+16)

13th and 14th Gen processors are completely identical and there are no changes whatsoever at the hardware level between them. Parts branded 14th Gen tend to have more aggressive clocks out of the box. The 14900KS is the exact same processor as the original 13900K, SKUs above the 13900K only increase in grade, being more aggressive with clock speeds and power consumption at each turn. 13900KS and 14900K are effectively identical, the 13900KS is a bit better silicon, 14900K is a bit more aggressive (+100MHz) on the clocks out of the box. A 13900K will pretty much never reach the clock speeds afforded by a 14900KS, though, unless it's a top 1% golden sample, so it's good to keep that in mind.

Regarding the P-cores, Raptor Cove is about the same thing as Golden Cove but with enlarged cache slices. Exception made to locked Core i5 segment (i5-K should be latest architecture for the generation) and below, most of them are still Alder Lake designs with the Golden Cove cores despite being branded Raptor Lake and code named that - they are not Raptor processors.

Heavily prefer a 14th Gen processor if possible, 13th Gen is still acceptable if you can shift an SKU up, eg. i9-13900K is preferred over i7-14700K, or i7-13700K is preferred over i9-12900K at the same price.

KS processors have the highest potential as they're the best silicon on average for each respective generation, a i9-12900KS and a i7-13700K, the 13700K should be marginally better, though the 12900KS should be a better behaved chip. Pick whatever's cheapest or whatever fancies you best.