5500 XT or GTX 1650 for old PC?

[Lew Zealand]

Here's a little comparison screen shot.
RTX 3050 8gb with 8pin EPS power (so not the slower slotted card) vs an RX 6500XT
GTX 1650 vs RX 6400
13700K cpu 5.4ghz/5.5ghz clock frequencies.
An i5 4570 these scores would be at least halved.

Yes a 6400 is a slower GPU. But the CPU won't be too much bottleneck for it.
The bottleneck is when your frame rates don't go up when you see the card under 100% usage.
That's what happens with larger modern cards and old CPUs.

My scores on the right column.
And of course the list continues on. Just figured start with the top 10 or 12 or so.
Maybe this will help better. Hoping anyways.
(Yes the video cards may be possibly overclocked as well) edit: Ok, they are for sure overcocked. lol

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The only scores that matter for most gaming are the Fire Strike (GPU) and Night Raid for DX11 and DX12, though I wish Night Raid broke out the GPU-only score.

The 3050 is a bit faster than the 6500 XT in DX12 and the 1650 and 6400 are the same as each other but slower than the other 2. But in real world function I'd expect the 3050 to be a little faster still thanks to double the VRAM and PCIe x4 unless you have the rare 8GB 6500 XT.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

The only scores that matter for most gaming are the Fire Strike (GPU) and Night Raid for DX11 and DX12, though I wish Night Raid broke out the GPU-only score.

The 3050 is a bit faster than the 6500 XT in DX12 and the 1650 and 6400 are the same as each other but slower than the other 2. But in real world function I'd expect the 3050 to be faster thanks to double the VRAM and PCIe x4 unless you have the rare 8GB 6500 XT.

DX12 i5 4570 3.6ghz max single core boost frequency max all core 3.2ghz some whopping horse power. It doesn't have the balls to support modern GPUs lol. It's difficult to suggest a card that will be sitting at like 60%.

I couldn't get my 4070 Super to post with my 4690K. FS section(cpu). Is anyone here even sure a 3050 6gb will even post?

OP gonna get a PS5 for "high end gaming" (not my words) and this he just needs a simple upgrade. If budget allows, a 3050 is a good card. But it may just sit at 40-60% usage and he'll be scratching his head and coming back later to ask why the card doesn't run 100% usage when gaming. I'm sure you've seen similar threads.

I think a 6400 would be an adequate card. The system wasn't designed for gaming back then, why even try bother making it gaming today?

 

[Lew Zealand]

DX12 i5 4570 3.6ghz max single core boost frequency max all core 3.2ghz some whopping horse power. It doesn't have the balls to support modern GPUs lol. It's difficult to suggest a card that will be sitting at like 60%.

You can turn up the graphics settings but yeah with an old 4C4T, the GPU will not be 100% used all that much. I used a faster still 5600 XT in a Dell Optiplex w/i5-4570 and later an i7-4790 and yeah, it spent a most of it's time below 50% usage, though in heavier DX11 games you could get that usage to 80% by turning graphics settings all the way up.

I couldn't get my 4070 Super to post with my 4690K. FS section(cpu). Is anyone here even sure a 3050 6gb will even post?

It should as I had one in a Dell Optiplex with i7-4790, though it's been moved to a Dell Precision 3620 with an i7-6700K.

OP gonna get a PS5 for "high end gaming" (not my words) and this he just needs a simple upgrade. If budget allows, a 3050 is a good card. But it may just sit at 40-60% usage and he'll be scratching his head and coming back later to ask why the card doesn't run 100% usage when gaming. I'm sure you've seen similar threads.

I think a 6400 would be an adequate card. The system wasn't designed for gaming back then, why even try bother making it gaming today?

Agreed. I used a 6400 for a while in the same 4570 and 4790 as above and it was a very good match. I mostly expected it to match the 1050 Ti I was previously using in there as the SSHH Pulse 6400 is so tiny, but it cleanly beat the 1050 Ti in everything I tossed at it.

 

[Chrispy_]

Requirements:
Slot-powered GPU that doesn't rely on REBAR support to reach sensible performance.

These are my opinions:

RX 6400 - ruled out because it's expensive and awful when dropping down to PCIe 3.0 without REBAR. It's only an x4 card and really suffers without PCIe 4.0 and REBAR.
RX 6500XT - ruled out for all the above reasons, plus it needs a 6-pin power cable.
RX 460/560/550 - ruled out for being too slow, they're similar to a 1050Ti which is usually cheaper and always uses less power. Also, some RX 560 models need 6-pin PCIe anyway.
3050 4G/6G - probably too expensive for the CPU in question. Yes, one of these will work but it's hundreds of dollars that will sit there idle, waiting for the old 4th-gen quad core.
1650 non-Super - still my favourite choice, it's affordable on the used market in standard (non low-profile) sizes and they're old enough that plenty of people are selling them.
1650 Super - most models need a 6-pin power. If OP finds a slot powered one at a decent price, great - but I've never seen slot-powered ones at sensible prices.
1060 6GB - Great card, ruled out because no version exists that doesn't require external power.
Quadro P2000/P2200 - this is the 75W, slot-powered version of the 1060 6GB. It's worth checking OP's used market to see if these are under $75, otherwise the 1650 is a better deal.
1050Ti (4GB) - Fine, dirt cheap on ebay, but much less of an upgrade than the 1650, and still struggles with XBone/PS4-era titles. Possibly useful if budget is really that tight though...
1050 (2GB) - 2GB VRAM is a real problem. It's faster than the 1030 but not by enough to make many more games change from unplayable to playable.

 

[arc2350]

Thank you all for the detailed and insightful answers, really appreciate them.
Taking all into account I decided to choose the GTX 1650 as the most suitable option.

I have found exactly this model from Gigabyte: GTX 1650 D6 OC 4G (rev. 2.0) for 65$ in my currency. Now let me understand this fully - there is no option to connect 6-pin power cable somehow? As this exact model needs it. Looks like from the upper post.

 

[tommesfps]

From my own experiance with a very similiar built, ITX, 350Watt PSU without pci-e connector (Chieftec 350BS, non smart series).

Intel I5-4670S on H81, PCI-e 2.0 x16 slot, GTX 1650 Super StormX @6Pin pci-e over dual 4pin molex. Sata SSD, 2x8GB DDR3 1600MHz.

3DMark TimeSpy: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/30334519

Remember; TimeSpy is a 1440p render test, you can get decent fps in DX9/DX11 and even in DX12 games at 1080p medium settings. GTX 1650Super support FSR and can handle G-Sync compatible over displayport just fine.

Intel I5-4500/4600 Series is non other than old CPU, GTX 1650 Super at this point a low end card, sure. But you can get away with it in some games/older titles well enough...

 

[Lew Zealand]

Requirements:
Slot-powered GPU that doesn't rely on REBAR support to reach sensible performance.

These are my opinions:

RX 6400 - ruled out because it's expensive and awful when dropping down to PCIe 3.0 without REBAR. It's only an x4 card and really suffers without PCIe 4.0 and REBAR.

1050Ti (4GB) - Fine, dirt cheap on ebay, but much less of an upgrade than the 1650, and still struggles with XBone/PS4-era titles. Possibly useful if budget is really that tight though...
1050 (2GB) - 2GB VRAM is a real problem. It's faster than the 1030 but not by enough to make many more games change from unplayable to playable.

The 6400 is NOT awful with PCIe 3.0 and it does NOT require ReBAR to work well. It's much faster than the 1050 Ti and 1050 here in an older PC like a Haswell Optiplex 7020, the real downside is the price as the 1050 Ti is $60 used BIN (lower if you bid) and the 6400 is $120.

But the 1650 D6 wins on all accounts, including price, for an older PC.

Thank you all for the detailed and insightful answers, really appreciate them.
Taking all into account I decided to choose the GTX 1650 as the most suitable option.

I have found exactly this model from Gigabyte: GTX 1650 D6 OC 4G (rev. 2.0) for 65$ in my currency. Now let me understand this fully - there is no option to connect 6-pin power cable somehow? As this exact model needs it. Looks like from the upper post.

If you see a 6-pin connector on the card then it will need that connected to 6-pin PSU power to run. This is extremely annoying when the 1650 is designed as a slot-powered only model but some cards were made to take more power (with higher performance), thus requiring the 6-pin connector. I just found that the MSI Ventus 1650 also has a 6-pin connector when Ventus models always use the base power spec. So why does it have the power connector?

It's reasonable to use a 6-pin powered GPU that's only supposed to need around 70W with one of those SATA power to 6-pin adapters but I haven't tried using one of those yet.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

The 6400 is NOT awful with PCIe 3.0 and it does NOT require ReBAR to work well. It's much faster than the 1050 Ti and 1050 here in an older PC like a Haswell Optiplex 7020, the real downside is the price as the 1050 Ti is $60 used BIN (lower if you bid) and the 6400 is $120.

But the 1650 D6 wins on all accounts, including price, for an older PC.



If you see a 6-pin connector on the card then it will need that connected to 6-pin PSU power to run. This is extremely annoying when the 1650 is designed as a slot-powered only model but some cards were made to take more power (with higher performance), thus requiring the 6-pin connector. I just found that the MSI Ventus 1650 also has a 6-pin connector when Ventus models always use the base power spec. So why does it have the power connector?

It's reasonable to use a 6-pin powered GPU that's only supposed to need around 70W with one of those SATA power to 6-pin adapters but I haven't tried using one of those yet.

Really it's the other way around, the RX 6400 isn't big enough to utilize PCI-E 4.0 anyways.

I Posted last page. 1650 vs 6400. The 1650 looses on most all benchmarks. Not the super model, just the regular 1650.

Off topic comment.
Did you know about 14100F is under 99$ new right now?? Such a powerful quad core with HT. Love it.

 

[arc2350]

Guys, it's done! I have found Asus Phoenix GTX 1650 D6, which requires no additional connector in a reasonable price and deal is done, should receive the card this Tuesday.

Thank you all very much for help and time you spend to make it easier for me, didn't expected such a feedback! For sure when I finish all those old games and decide to build a new PC (for work and strategy games I won't play on PS5 ) I will ask this community for advices. Thank you!

 

[Macro Device]

should receive the card this Tuesday.

God bless this mess!

Speaking of your future upgrades... I would've built a PC for everything instead of PC+PS5 but this is me, I just don't care about console exclusives, it's too many games you can play anyway.

 

[TechBuyingHavoc]

God bless this mess!

Speaking of your future upgrades... I would've built a PC for everything instead of PC+PS5 but this is me, I just don't care about console exclusives, it's too many games you can play anyway.

Good thing that a lot of console exclusives are no longer exclusives. Microsoft has moved over most of its exclusives to the PC with Xbox Game Pass and Sony is slowly moving its premium console games to Steam as well.

 

[lexluthermiester]

From my own experiance with a very similiar built, ITX, 350Watt PSU without pci-e connector (Chieftec 350BS, non smart series).

Intel I5-4670S on H81, PCI-e 2.0 x16 slot, GTX 1650 Super StormX @6Pin pci-e over dual 4pin molex. Sata SSD, 2x8GB DDR3 1600MHz.

The system in question does NOT have molex connectors. It's also a non-standard PSU and as such can not be replaced easily.

The OP needs a slot powered card. Full stop, end discussion. However...

Guys, it's done! I have found Asus Phoenix GTX 1650 D6, which requires no additional connector in a reasonable price and deal is done, should receive the card this Tuesday.

Thank you all very much for help and time you spend to make it easier for me, didn't expected such a feedback! For sure when I finish all those old games and decide to build a new PC (for work and strategy games I won't play on PS5 ) I will ask this community for advices. Thank you!

Good purchase! Glad we could help! If I may be so bold, an i7-4770 would be a decent future upgrade for that system and those CPU's are cheap right now, maybe $30 depending on where you live.

 

[Macro Device]

an i7-4770

Xeon E3-1245/1246/1275/1276 V3 are essentially the same CPU give or take a couple hundred MHz and they are available for much lower. They even are compatible with the OP's non-orthodox motherboard.

 

[tommesfps]

Guys, it's done! I have found Asus Phoenix GTX 1650 D6, which requires no additional connector in a reasonable price and deal is done, should receive the card this Tuesday.

Thank you all very much for help and time you spend to make it easier for me, didn't expected such a feedback! For sure when I finish all those old games and decide to build a new PC (for work and strategy games I won't play on PS5 ) I will ask this community for advices. Thank you!

It's great that you found your upgrade card; hopefully, we'll receive an update next week if all goes well.

The system in question does NOT have molex connectors. It's also a non-standard PSU and as such can not be replaced easily.

The OP needs a slot powered card. Full stop, end discussion. However...


Good purchase! Glad we could help! If I may be so bold, an i7-4770 would be a decent future upgrade for that system and those CPU's are cheap right now, maybe $30 depending on where you live.

No, no, please share details of how many molex/sata power connectors are available when it comes to EliteDesk 800 G1 Tower PC, so we can have a complete list of options.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Guys, it's done! I have found Asus Phoenix GTX 1650 D6, which requires no additional connector in a reasonable price and deal is done, should receive the card this Tuesday.

Thank you all very much for help and time you spend to make it easier for me, didn't expected such a feedback! For sure when I finish all those old games and decide to build a new PC (for work and strategy games I won't play on PS5 ) I will ask this community for advices. Thank you!

Great choice, I have the Asus Phoenix 1050 Ti and it's been a great GPU for many use cases. Enjoy!

Xeon E3-1245/1246/1275/1276 V3 are essentially the same CPU give or take a couple hundred MHz and they are available for much lower. They even are compatible with the OP's non-orthodox motherboard.

I've looked into these Xeons to replace i5-4670s and 4690s but I just can't trade those few extra MHz as CPU performance is nowadays so low to begin with in these older CPUs. I just looked at eBay and the matching spec 1276 v3 is $10 BIN more than the 4790 from reasonable sellers but of course a good deal on either could be different in different countries.

Off topic comment.
Did you know about 14100F is under 99$ new right now?? Such a powerful quad core with HT. Love it.

I really want to build a system with that CPU as I have an affinity for high power Quad cores and wish AMD had some viable ones, but their design and sales philosophy just doesn't support it I guess. And you still have nice 6 P-core options to upgrade to with Alder Lake cores if you're not sure about Raptor Lake.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Xeon E3-1245/1246/1275/1276 V3 are essentially the same CPU give or take a couple hundred MHz and they are available for much lower.

That's decent suggestion. However..

They even are compatible with the OP's non-orthodox motherboard.

..are we 100% on this? I'm not sure that motherboard revision has the Xeon microcode in the bios.. It most definitely has it for the 4770.

No, no, please share details of how many molex/sata power connectors are available when it comes to EliteDesk 800 G1 Tower PC, so we can have a complete list of options.

No need, it's a mute point, the OP has already picked a video card that doesn't need extra power. But for the record, the model the OP has does not have any molex connectors coming from the 320w HP PSU it comes with.

 

[Macro Device]

..are we 100% on this?

 

[damric]

Guys, it's done! I have found Asus Phoenix GTX 1650 D6, which requires no additional connector in a reasonable price and deal is done, should receive the card this Tuesday.

Thank you all very much for help and time you spend to make it easier for me, didn't expected such a feedback! For sure when I finish all those old games and decide to build a new PC (for work and strategy games I won't play on PS5 ) I will ask this community for advices. Thank you!

that's a smart purchase. it will be fine

 

[lexluthermiester]

Fair enough. I've never seen one of these model with a Xeon in it thus the concern.

 

[Macro Device]

I'm not sure that motherboard revision has the Xeon microcode in the bios

https://www.cpu-world.com/cgi-bin/CPUID.pl?&SIGNATURE=198339

I also found the proof there's a single microcode for both Xeon E3 V3 CPUs and their regular desktop counterparts (1st gen Haswell that is).

 

[lexluthermiester]

https://www.cpu-world.com/cgi-bin/CPUID.pl?&SIGNATURE=198339

I also found the proof there's a single microcode for both Xeon E3 V3 CPUs and their regular desktop counterparts (1st gen Haswell that is).

Cool. Did not know that.

 

[Macro Device]

Cool. Did not know that.

And I was 99% sure because zactly the same happens on LGA1151: Xeon E3 V5 are equal to iX 6xxx. Unlike Haswell situation where Xeon is literally totally equal to i7s and whatnot, Skylake and Kaby Lake have it separated and if you slot a Xeon into a regular motherboard the said mobo will not boot. Not because the CPU ain't compatible but because it's in the blacklist. Coffee modding tools like CoffeeTime make it possible to run E3 V5 and V6 CPUs on whatever LGA1151 100/200 series (designed for Skylake and Kaby Lake, 6th and 7th gens) motherboard, even those with 300 series chipsets sometimes (designed for Coffee Lake, 8th and 9th gens).

I tested this on a number of mobos and every piece of software works exactly like it would've worked on a similar non-Xeon CPU. No bugs, glitches or whatnot. 100% reliable. If you have a UPS it's virtually impossible to fail the hack.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I really want to build a system with that CPU as I have an affinity for high power Quad cores and wish AMD had some viable ones, but their design and sales philosophy just doesn't support it I guess. And you still have nice 6 P-core options to upgrade to with Alder Lake cores if you're not sure about Raptor Lake.

I actually nabbed a 14100F a couple months ago. It's surprisingly quick for what it is. No OC is definitely a draw back though. plenty of thermal headroom.

But then there's this 13400 (6P 4E) I was eyeballin' at BestBuy for 169$ I'd like to upgrade my kids rig from a 5600G. I have everything else needed. The 14100F just doesn't have the thread count he needs, otherwise he'd be running it already. Been watching Intel Prices drop, so I'm laying around like a tiger in tall grass to jump on some good bargains.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

My vote: GTX 1650

Reason: 16 lanes. Not recommended to use an 8-lane card for PCI-E 3.0.

Note that the RX 5500 XT only has 8 lanes. Was AMD the first to do that with most of their cards?

 

[Macro Device]

14100F

We got loads of second-hand 12100F (basically the same stuff but 200 MHz slower) for ~60...65 USD. Motherboards are more expensive lmao. 12400F (six cores) is double that. 14100F... 100 USD at the very least. Hardly worth it.