Could the Core i9-14900KS Successor be the Core Ultra 9 295K?

[btarunr]

Intel's new Core Ultra processor model nomenclature is significantly different from the Core i7 series that held for 14 generations, since its 2008 debut. The desktop Core Ultra 2-series "Arrow Lake-S" desktop processor family is led by the Core Ultra 9 285K, which is positioned as a successor to the Core i9-14900K. The choice of numbering the top SKU "285K" instead of something like the "290K," which even caused the top Core Ultra 7 SKU to be numbered the "265K," raises a few questions. The biggest of these is if Intel is creating room for a near-future SKU to go with "295K."

In the classic Intel Core series nomenclature, the digit following the first two, designates a position in the product stack. For example, in the i9-14900K, "14" points to the processor generation, followed by "9" as the top-spec SKU. If you wind the clocks back to the 10th Gen Core "Comet Lake," there was a top-spec Core i9-10900K, but there was also a Core i9-10850K. Both the i9-10900K and the i9-10850K are unlocked 10-core/20-thread parts with identical TDP, set apart only by their stock clock speeds. Could it be possible that the Core Ultra 9 285K is a distant descendant of the i9-10850K, and that Intel's top "Arrow Lake-S" part is the "295K?" Momomo_us recently dug out an inconspicuous Intel Support webpage listing out Core Ultra desktop processors without an included fan-heatsink. This is very likely a typo, but the page mentions a "295K" SKU instead of the Core Ultra 9 285K. This caused us to wonder if the "295K" is being reserved for an i9-14900KS successor.



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[Macro Device]

Also could be a nod to ye olde Xeons E3-12x5 series. Ends with 0 = no iGPU; ends with 5 = yes iGPU.

 

[Hyderz]

i have a feeling we might see a Core Ultra 9 285KS

 

[kondamin]

I hope they dump this dumb naming scheme soon.

you need a chart to figure out what the thing is

 

[Carillon]

I hope they dump this dumb naming scheme soon.

you need a chart to figure out what the thing is

I agree the names are dumb, but the charts have been a requirement for over 2 decades. Arrow lake should also be better than 14th gen, if they can refrain from mixing older microarchitectures in the lineup.

Is there a possibility the 295k could be an HEDT CPU?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Also could be a nod to ye olde Xeons E3-12x5 series. Ends with 0 = no iGPU; ends with 5 = yes iGPU.

No, they have a 265KF which has no IGP.

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[usiname]

This list looks pretty random with CPUs from 5 years ago and some that don't exist - 1200KF so I wouldn't take it serious

 

[Crackong]

Intel never disappointed us in making more confusing product names.

 

[Wirko]

I agree the names are dumb, but the charts have been a requirement for over 2 decades.

Apparently it started in June 2004, at least for Intel. The first processors with fantasy names, disconnected from real GHz, were the Intel Pentium 4 HT 520, 530, 540, 550 and 560 - Wikipedia. The 520 ran at 2.8 GHz, so the number could mean "almost twice as much as 280". And HT was short for HoT, although some people think it was HyperThreading.

 

[watzupken]

Personally, I feel the KS chips to be excessive and unnecessary. Firstly, those lofty single core clock speed can only be maintained for short burst, hardly useful. Secondly, they are technically no different from the K SKU, but just better quality chips that can be pushed to the max and priced higher so that Intel can earn more. Thirdly, these chips are pushed so hard, they are way out of their efficient clock resulting in ridiculous power requirement for poor returns.

 

[Bwaze]

Personally, I feel the KS chips to be excessive and unnecessary. Firstly, those lofty single core clock speed can only be maintained for short burst, hardly useful. Secondly, they are technically no different from the K SKU, but just better quality chips that can be pushed to the max and priced higher so that Intel can earn more. Thirdly, these chips are pushed so hard, they are way out of their efficient clock resulting in ridiculous power requirement for poor returns.

Yeah, Intel started doing what Silicon Lottery offered before that, and with the release of KS CPUs Silicon Lottery closed down in October 2021 (Ryzen CPUs offered almost no performance benefit between ordinary and exceptional CPU).

 

[lexluthermiester]

Intel never disappointed us in making more confusing product names.

How is the new naming scheme confusing? Different, sure, but even a 5 year old can understand it.

 

[Ravenmaster]

It’s probably just a typo but I do think Intel will make a 285KS model

 

[phanbuey]

Very confused about who this is targeting given the architecture is focused on efficiency and loses gaming by double digit % to the X3D chips.

This is for those who still want to pay $600 to be 20% slower than the fastest chip at gaming, but this time at 300W TDP.

 

[_roman_]

When you need wikipedia or some other source to determine what a processor is - a company is doing something wrong. (to make it clear - yes Intel does the naming wrong) I doubt an ordinary 5 year old kid can read numbers or count. Therefore a 5 year old can not understand the difference. Schol entry year is 6 years or higher. Maybe 7 or 8 year is able to.

 

[Dawora]

I hope they dump this dumb naming scheme soon.

you need a chart to figure out what the thing is

Even 4y old can tell what CPU is slower or faster..

So u want simple naming?

Intel 3
Intel 5
Intel 7
Intel 9

Still hard ?

 

[Prima.Vera]

I hope they dump this dumb naming scheme soon.

you need a chart to figure out what the thing is

Yes, is retarded to say the least.
Way more confusing than their Xeon naming scheme.

 

[Vayra86]

Still think its a massive missed opportunity that there is no 256K CPU.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

It’s not too hard, as you can just look at the Intel IDF to get all the specs. In a vacuum, none of the names make sense from any vendor, except maybe “bigger number is better,” though there have been enough times in history where even that wasn’t true.

All that said, I don’t know that I’d want to be early adopter of Intel’s tile architecture. It might be perfectly fine, but it’s a big departure from what it replaces. I suspect there will be some heartburn early on.

 

[Macro Device]

No, they have a 265KF which has no IGP.

So they are just retarded then. Nothing new, actually.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Still think its a massive missed opportunity that there is no 256K CPU.

100% Agree! Would have been most excellent!

So they are just retarded then. Nothing new, actually.

Why is that?

 

[Macro Device]

Why is that?

Changing "i" to "Ultra" could've been kinda good for marketing about 20 or maybe even 25 years ago. Now it feels like shooting an already dead man.
Changing zeroes to a singular five with no further elaboration doesn't deserve a praise, either. What does this five stand for? Yo no quiero esta porquería, ése.

That all doesn't bother me anyway, I'm only curious to see if anything sub 300 USD can make fun of 13700 non-K in video games. If it does, I'm all for it despite the naming, unless motherboards prove private jet level expensive.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I agree the names are dumb, but the charts have been a requirement for over 2 decades. Arrow lake should also be better than 14th gen, if they can refrain from mixing older microarchitectures in the lineup.

Is there a possibility the 295k could be an HEDT CPU?

Zero. KS is simply clock boosted/pre-binned version of regular processor.

100% Agree! Would have been most excellent!

Haha yeah. Remember the Pentium G3258? Intel could do something like that again. A budget unlocked processor named "Ultra 5 256K" targeted at gamers for an extra nice price.

 

[kondamin]

Even 4y old can tell what CPU is slower or faster..

So u want simple naming?

Intel 3
Intel 5
Intel 7
Intel 9

Still hard ?

No you can have a 6 p core i3 that wipes the floor with a 4p 4e i5
never mind when they start packing bigger Igpus in some and small ones in others add other cache configurations an inferencing hardware…