Looking to Buy/Build PC for 500-800€

[dgianstefani]

I never implied that. I'd still have invested more into a CPU so let's say... 13400 or 12700 + second-hand RTX 3060 (if the OP can find a seller to trust).

13400 is same architecture as 12400, besides slightly higher clocks and four e cores. Despite being called "Raptor Lake" it still uses Alder Lake cores. Not worth 40% more money, there's practically zero advantage in gaming (3.7% faster according to TPU, at 720p, less at higher resolutions). 12700 could be good if paired with a much stronger GPU, but you're not going to be CPU limited either way, and Ampere is a lot less efficient than Ada, so power draw would increase, but FPS wouldn't.

 

[AleXXX666]

When you use pcpartpicker you can pick a country and it will use local pricing.

crap site. and doesn't have lotta of hw, OR showing that "no one buys this", but in reality the part is pretty ok...

13400 is same architecture as 12400, besides slightly higher clocks and four e cores. Despite being called "Raptor Lake" it still uses Alder Lake cores. Not worth 40% more money, there's practically zero advantage in gaming.

well, tests show that it DOES have performance difference. but, there are 12600kf for the price of 13400f (who needs igpu in BUDGET build?), which blows 13400/f away because of higher clocks...

 

[dgianstefani]

well, tests show that it DOES have performance difference. but, there are 12600kf for the price of 13400f (who needs igpu in BUDGET build?), which blows 13400/f away because of higher clocks...

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13400f/25.html

13400F 3% faster than 12400F for 40% more $, with a 4090.

 

[Macro Device]

40% more money.

It's like what, 40 dollars? It's about 5% if we talk full PC cost. And this thing is significantly faster in AI and whatever MT workload. By 25 percent sometimes. Would've voted i7-12700 anyway.

Despite being called "Raptor Lake" it still uses Alder Lake cores

Better binning makes for better energy efficiency. Also I DO know it's not a real Raptor.

 

[dgianstefani]

Better binning makes for better energy efficiency. Also I DO know it's not a real Raptor.

Who says it's better binned? Higher clocks on the same architecture, so less efficient unless you're in a situation where the four e cores are useful.

It is slightly more efficient in synthetic all core load, but doesn't sound like OP is doing much machine learning or AI work.

 

[Vincero]

To be honest, in terms of potential upgradability LGA1700 is a dead end at this point - only slightly better off than AM4.
Showing some of the products being more efficient doesn't negate the fact that if the OP wanted to buy now and upgrade later, any upgrade LGA1700 CPU component will be less efficient (unless they apply power limits, at which point due to the power constraints the extra cores / headroom will never fully throttle up) and never really deliver much of an improvement - too many times the high-end i7/i9's get beaten by lower products in the stack.
AM5 is likely to get another round of CPUs with a new Zen architecture (I don't see DDR6 or PCIe 6 coming on mainstream in next 2 years) - even the lowest Ryzen AM5 CPU blows away (on average) the 13400, and you need an Alder/Raptor 6P+nE CPU to match / beat it at which point efficiency is generally no longer on Intel's side - that said any 6P+nE Intel CPU will likely do better in other apps like the Photoshop/Premiere stuff.
LGA1800 is an unknown and likely not feasible unless Intel go with some ultra-competitve pricing out the gate.

I also agree, the Ryzen 8000 APUs are not worth it for the OP - from most places I've seen they cost too much more than equivalent 7000 series product to be taken as an 'all-rounder' option - yeah they'll offer a better iGPU gaming right now but are generally slower CPUs and not better going into the future. Comparatively, for it's time the 5600G vs 5600(X or non-X) was a bit less of a compromise but even that I wouldn't have said was a great deal in the extra cost of the G vs the drawbacks.
Now, if the OP is buying a complete system and there is no price difference between a 7600/7700 and a 8600/8700G equivalent system... that's a bit more of a dilemma - I'd still errr towards the Ryzen 7000 system in terms of immediate needs and being better with IO and memory bandwidth, etc., unless the OP wants to go down the mini-HTPC route.

With the games the OP has listed ANY current dGPU is overkill at this point and the iGPU would be able to manage (in some cases like LoL high settings at 1080p would be doable, FIFA 13 should be fine, GW2 would be the thing that might push the iGPU hardest) - saving their money now to put towards a better part later on would be more prudent. The extra RTX non-gaming features are not a make or break in my mind, although if the OP started getting serious about Adobe Premiere/Photoshop then a recent GTX/RTX card can help process some effects, etc., so would have some use. I'm not even gonna comment on NVENC vs AMD VCE/VCN - we all know the score there.
If the OP is certain they'll be getting more money in future then why invest in a 'meh' platform now to then need to tinker with it sooner vs get a better platform that at it's most basic does the job and would be able to leverage new GPUs better (as well as have CPU upgrade choices) and then upgrade it as / when needed / desire.

 

[AleXXX666]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-13400f/25.html

13400F 3% faster than 12400F for 40% more $, with a 4090.

in 4K?

 

[ripptide]

Thanks for all the replies. I finally had time to sift through all the answers.

I am mainly looking to buy a prebuild system at this point
How are systems like this:

Game Office Work V3 | AMD Ryzen 5 5600X | Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 8GB | 32GB RAM | 1TB NVMe SSD | Windows 11 | WiFi | Libre Office | 4260561746557

CPU (Processor): AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 6x 3.70GHz (65W)Mainboard: ASUS PRIME A520M-A II/CSM (90MB17H0-M0EAYC)Video Card (VGA Card): Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 8GB HDMI / DisplayPort System Memory (RAM): 32 GB Performance RAM DDR4SSD: 1000GB M.2 NVME High Perfor…

www.ankermann.com

https://www.mediamarkt.de/de/product/_systemtreff-pro-gaming-amd-ryzen-5-5600-windows-11-pro-gaming-pc-mit-amd-ryzentm-5-prozessor-16-gb-ram-1000-gb-mssd-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060ti-8gb-gddr6x-mit-dlss-3-107986245.html

https://www.mediamarkt.de/de/product/_beastcom-q3-or-essential-gaming-pc-komplettsystem-mit-amd-ryzentm-5-16-gb-ram-1-tb-ssd-amd-radeontm-rx-vega-11-windows-11-pro-64-bit-143520593.html

compared to the build it yourself options.

Media mark especially has a lot of systems in my price range, that are obviously way worse than what you suggested, but closer to 500€. Still, I wanted to ask what you think I could get away with.

What are some shops/online stores I can check out I could drive anywhere in the Flanders region in Belgium, the Braabant region in the Netherlands, and The Northrhein-Westphalia Region in Germany. Honestly, the most important criteria for me is warranty, my games aren't intensive, so I would sacrifice performance for reliability of the seller/product.

 

[Lost_Troll]

I would do the first system you linked, it would last you a very long time and allow you to play any of the newer games that might catch your eye.

Now if you want to lower the first systems cost, you could ask for 16Gb of ram and WIN 11 Home, that should knock the price down to about 700$.

 

[damric]

If you are willing to use second hand, I have a few colleagues in that area of the world that are sitting on piles of yesterday's components. Good stuff, probably 1-3 years old. They will probably also build it for you. These items were lightly abused with some subzero overclocking, but they can show you the stuff that is good condition.

 

[Vincero]

Thanks for all the replies. I finally had time to sift through all the answers.

I am mainly looking to buy a prebuild system at this point
How are systems like this:

Game Office Work V3 | AMD Ryzen 5 5600X | Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 8GB | 32GB RAM | 1TB NVMe SSD | Windows 11 | WiFi | Libre Office | 4260561746557

CPU (Processor): AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 6x 3.70GHz (65W)Mainboard: ASUS PRIME A520M-A II/CSM (90MB17H0-M0EAYC)Video Card (VGA Card): Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 8GB HDMI / DisplayPort System Memory (RAM): 32 GB Performance RAM DDR4SSD: 1000GB M.2 NVME High Perfor…

www.ankermann.com

https://www.mediamarkt.de/de/product/_systemtreff-pro-gaming-amd-ryzen-5-5600-windows-11-pro-gaming-pc-mit-amd-ryzentm-5-prozessor-16-gb-ram-1000-gb-mssd-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060ti-8gb-gddr6x-mit-dlss-3-107986245.html

https://www.mediamarkt.de/de/product/_beastcom-q3-or-essential-gaming-pc-komplettsystem-mit-amd-ryzentm-5-16-gb-ram-1-tb-ssd-amd-radeontm-rx-vega-11-windows-11-pro-64-bit-143520593.html

compared to the build it yourself options.

Media mark especially has a lot of systems in my price range, that are obviously way worse than what you suggested, but closer to 500€. Still, I wanted to ask what you think I could get away with.

What are some shops/online stores I can check out I could drive anywhere in the Flanders region in Belgium, the Braabant region in the Netherlands, and The Northrhein-Westphalia Region in Germany. Honestly, the most important criteria for me is warranty, my games aren't intensive, so I would sacrifice performance for reliability of the seller/product.

Well ankermann only give a 2 year warranty which is very average.

Had a play about with their build configurator... Can't say the prices and options are the best available, but the example build options I mentioned previously are possible to fit in the budget... (With a slightly better choice/freedom of component selection this could be tweaked better but can only go with what's offered):

Assemble a PC ✅ PC configurator at | ANKERMANN

Assemble your own desktop PC now ▷ Fast and inexpensive with our PC configurator ⭐ Guaranteed compatibility ✅ incl. 2-year guarantee ✅ | ANKERMANN

www.ankermann.com

This build forgoes a GPU now but offers modern upgradable platform - easily accomodating mid range future GPU upgrade in short term, and a future CPU + RAM upgrade longer term. Again, this goes with the premise of the games/software you intended to use. If you've suddenly decided Cyberpunk 2077 is for you then you'll need a GPU option...
Spending a tiny bit more on the PSU (going to the Corsair RM850 would be worthwhile but nudges above 800) and upgrading the RAM to 32GB DDR5-6000 would be worthwhile changes if they are affordable.

But, I still think you can do better... There is likely a better configuration somewhere at a retailer available to you.

If you mean actually properly buy parts and build it yourself, you can definitely get better value for money - that last media mart PC is least good option in terms of features and value - the other options in your post are better in both performance and relative value in that sense.

 

[Marcus L]

Well ankermann only give a 2 year warranty which is very average.

Had a play about with their build configurator... Can't say the prices and options are the best available, but the example build options I mentioned previously are possible to fit in the budget... (With a slightly better choice/freedom of component selection this could be tweaked better but can only go with what's offered):

Assemble a PC ✅ PC configurator at | ANKERMANN

Assemble your own desktop PC now ▷ Fast and inexpensive with our PC configurator ⭐ Guaranteed compatibility ✅ incl. 2-year guarantee ✅ | ANKERMANN

www.ankermann.com

This build forgoes a GPU now but offers modern upgradable platform - easily accomodating mid range future GPU upgrade in short term, and a future CPU + RAM upgrade longer term. Again, this goes with the premise of the games/software you intended to use. If you've suddenly decided Cyberpunk 2077 is for you then you'll need a GPU option...
Spending a tiny bit more on the PSU (going to the Corsair RM850 would be worthwhile but nudges above 800) and upgrading the RAM to 32GB DDR5-6000 would be worthwhile changes if they are affordable.

But, I still think you can do better... There is likely a better configuration somewhere at a retailer available to you.

If you mean actually properly buy parts and build it yourself, you can definitely get better value for money - that last media mart PC is least good option in terms of features and value - the other options in your post are better in both performance and relative value in that sense.

Definitely not for €800, no GPU and only 16GB DDR5 RAM, that's not good value at all even the one the OP listed a few replies up is much better, yes it's AM4 but comes with 32GB RAM and a 4060 of which the 5600x is well paired, for the build you linked to the 7600x iGPU is not up to gaming so would have to fork out another €400 for a GPU at some point bringing the build cost to €1200 or thereabouts

@ripptide the one you have listed looks like the best option so far unless you go DIY, I would say go for it

Game Office Work V3 | AMD Ryzen 5 5600X | Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 8GB | 32GB RAM | 1TB NVMe SSD | Windows 11 | WiFi | Libre Office | 4260561746557

CPU (Processor): AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 6x 3.70GHz (65W)Mainboard: ASUS PRIME A520M-A II/CSM (90MB17H0-M0EAYC)Video Card (VGA Card): Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 8GB HDMI / DisplayPort System Memory (RAM): 32 GB Performance RAM DDR4SSD: 1000GB M.2 NVME High Perfor…

www.ankermann.com

 

[ripptide]

If you are willing to use second hand, I have a few colleagues in that area of the world that are sitting on piles of yesterday's components. Good stuff, probably 1-3 years old. They will probably also build it for you. These items were lightly abused with some subzero overclocking, but they can show you the stuff that is good condition.

Would they give me some type of insurance or warranty, then I would consider it. My second hand laptop broke within a year, and second hand phones etc., ive owned over the last year all had some troubles too, which is why I am very hesitant on anything second hand atm.

 

[Vincero]

Definitely not for €800, no GPU and only 16GB DDR5 RAM, that's not good value at all even the one the OP listed a few replies up is much better, yes it's AM4 but comes with 32GB RAM and a 4060 of which the 5600x is well paired, for the build you linked to the 7600x iGPU is not up to gaming so would have to fork out another €400 for a GPU at some point bringing the build cost to €1200 or thereabouts

I suggest you properly read all the OP's posts regarding what games he plays and the fact he's willing to spend more on it later. Yes, the 5600x and RTX 4060 (meh) is a good enough combo for now - and if OP never expands game collection then fine for a long time. If the time comes they pick up a game that needs a GPU upgrade then what's available in future will a) likely pair better with AM5 system than a 5600x and b) be better than the 4060 (which is so-so for the money), plus c) there will likely be another new Zen release for AM5.

@ripptide the one you have listed looks like the best option so far unless you go DIY, I would say go for it

Game Office Work V3 | AMD Ryzen 5 5600X | Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 8GB | 32GB RAM | 1TB NVMe SSD | Windows 11 | WiFi | Libre Office | 4260561746557

CPU (Processor): AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 6x 3.70GHz (65W)Mainboard: ASUS PRIME A520M-A II/CSM (90MB17H0-M0EAYC)Video Card (VGA Card): Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 8GB HDMI / DisplayPort System Memory (RAM): 32 GB Performance RAM DDR4SSD: 1000GB M.2 NVME High Perfor…

www.ankermann.com

I originally suggested something along those lines and the actual item the OP has listed which you've just said you would go for
See: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/looking-to-buy-build-pc-for-500-800€.327680/post-5352366

That's a better 'right here, right now' option for tackling something of everything - the 4060 will low-mid-range its way through most titles and the 5600X will be decent enough for most apps. Sure, it has some upgradability (although those low-end Asus Prime motherboards are nothing special that I'd throw a 5950X at it expecting to get the best out of it), but apart from applications that could use the extra cores, games will not be much (any?) better overall and going from a 5600X to a 5950X in say a few years time when they are cheap(ish) on ebay (or whatever) will not really make the system feel much snappier. Also, that be quiet system power PSU is not something I'd want longer term if I planned to throw a better GPU in there - better to have the pure power range, (or ideally the Corsair Rxxxx series) e.g.:

be quiet! System Power 10 750W Review - A Big Step Backwards

The be quiet! System Power 10 750 is among the worst affordable, branded PSUs I have evaluated. The competition is way ahead in this category, offering higher performance, quality, and universal voltage compatibility (100-240 V input) at about the same price.

www.techpowerup.com

The be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 650W PSU Review: Solid Gold

www.anandtech.com

To be honest I wouldn't choose be quiet PSUs but in the configurator that's the only cost reduced option that isn't complete trash (system power model excluded).
I wouldn't necessarily go with that specific motherboard either and ideally would have double the RAM - but I have no idea who is a good retailer in central/northern Europe.

If someone is cash limited and not playing any modern / demanding games, I would play the longer game and get more for your money in terms of platform. You'd get a bigger FPS boost taking a RTX 4080 from an equivalent 6 or 8 core AM4 to AM5 platform Vs upgrading from a 5600X to any other AM4 CPU apart from an X3D and even then that's still only getting you on par (and that will be it - as far as you can take it).


At the end of the day, only the OP knows how much he'll be prepared to open his wallet now and in the future and what his interests are now and potentially in the future...

Alternatively buy 2nd hand, save up and go big later on...

 

[ripptide]

I think this will be my final post before I make a decision, I went through the websites that were recommended to me as well as whatever i found on google.

First of all it is important to mention that I will most likely never play any new release and stick to LoL(99%)/GW2(1%). I care about upgradability but not to the point that I would cut performance, I want it to be a good system now and then think about upgrading if I ever run into trouble.

This is the most recommended prebuild I posted so far.

Game Office Work V3 | AMD Ryzen 5 5600X | Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 8GB | 32GB RAM | 1TB NVMe SSD | Windows 11 | WiFi | Libre Office | 4260561746557

CPU (Processor): AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 6x 3.70GHz (65W)Mainboard: ASUS PRIME A520M-A II/CSM (90MB17H0-M0EAYC)Video Card (VGA Card): Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 8GB HDMI / DisplayPort System Memory (RAM): 32 GB Performance RAM DDR4SSD: 1000GB M.2 NVME High Perfor…

www.ankermann.com

I found a AM5 system in my price range (i think, was not easy), Would this be better because it is AM5 not AM4? Is it only better in terms of upgradability or also in terms of performance right now.

AMD Ryzen 5 7600 - 32GB RAM - 1000GB SSD - WiFi - Bluetooth

Compatible met Windows 11 en geleverd met WiFi en Bluetooth.

www.computergigant.nl

I also have a few that seem comparable to the first pc (AM4, with stronger graphics card), are any of them better in terms of bang for buck, or just straight up superior?

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X High-End Game PC / Streaming Computer - RTX 3050 8GB - 16GB RAM - 500GB SSD - Gamdias Talos E3 Black - Win11

Deze Ryzen 7 5800X gaming desktop met de RTX 3050 8GB in RGB behuizing is een top aanbieding! Met dit systeem hoeft u zich over de processorkracht (8 core processor) de komende jaren geen zorgen te maken en de RTX 3050 8GB biedt zeer mooie prestaties met gaming. Je zult de meeste games op hoge...

www.lalashops.nl

Gaming PC Illusionist, Intel Core i5-12400F, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB - Fertig-PC

Handgefertigter Gaming-PC von Caseking, Intel Core i5-12400F CPU, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 GPU, MSI PRO H610M-E DDR4 Mainboard, 16 GB DDR4-RAM, 1 TB NVMe SSD, Kolink Inspire K2 Plus Gehäuse

www.caseking.de

Gaming-PC Dark Pulse, Intel Core i5-12400F, Intel Arc A380 - Fertig-PC

Handgefertigter Gaming-PC von Caseking, Intel Core i5-12400F CPU, Intel Arc A380 GPU, ASRock B760M-HDV/M.2 D4 Mainboard, 16 GB DDR4-3200-RAM, 1 TB NVMe SSD, Kolink Inspire K7 ARGB Gehäuse, Kolink Umbra EX180 Black Edition CPU-Kühler

www.caseking.de

https://www.one.de/one-gaming-gaming-pc-starter-ar01-ryzen-5-pro-4650g-gt-1030-21910

AMD Ryzen 7 aanbieding met 16GB RAM - 500GB SSD - GIGADEAL!

Deze aanbieding is beperkt leverbaar en geldig zolang de voorraad strekt.

www.computergigant.nl

Finally these two laptops are very intriguing because of the 144hz display, but I worry about throtteling, as well as less fps than 144, but they seem comparable in terms of price/parts to the desktops.

HP Victus 15.6" FHD 144Hz Gaming Laptop, AMD Ryzen 5 7535HS, AMD Radeon RX 6550M, 16GB DDR5 RAM, 512GB SSD, Backlit KB, Wi-Fi 6, Windows11 Home, Silver - Newegg.com

Buy HP Victus 15.6" FHD 144Hz Gaming Laptop, AMD Ryzen 5 7535HS, AMD Radeon RX 6550M, 16GB DDR5 RAM, 512GB SSD, Backlit KB, Wi-Fi 6, Windows11 Home, Silver with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/i5-13420H-GeForce-Keyboard-A13VE-863-Transparent/dp/B0CRLGKDFT/ref=sr_1_3?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Y9NxohOfOlrrmOisBhZBeSm3zuK_dBewTuXAIBiWReF_5otETSv9cgFU6-vQs39mAwKpQguvFIN8GGxtO_6kWHAV_WGLDvtl2fjg0DVqlKippk1paM1kBG-olfEVheOP7CjXESf0eJiI-OJnlc90LFjLQzenEb9NSZ6FlTGX5MFKQlQmglo6psqmTHFyxqx5yFfuSSUKUYhDABd0sjKQkJRNdczdDj2NcCn-fGcfUx1fU-9zeKNecTABYIcGKrLiB-JPVEaCMwkIOtindbanf6CJ4HcZGhhQ4itwOUdyNSQ.SQ4T-54AkHUsj3RaZUOrSiZyo7ACZU4izzzq-S_zsTs&dib_tag=se&qid=1728969082&refinements=p_36%3A9708302031%2Cp_n_feature_thirty-seven_browse-bin%3A100438345031&rnid=100438251031&s=computers&sr=1-3

I hope for as much input as possible, since it is very hard for me to evaluate the advantages disadvantages. Thank you already for how much you helped me.

 

[DirtyDingusMcgee]

What is to think about? the MSi cyborg laptop blows them all away (much newer too). And it is an MSi with a real warranty and real parts. (Ostensibly at least).

If I had to pick from these, I would pick none of the desktops. i would pick the MSi laptop over the HP Victus. Msi is newest and fastest of all of them (at least broadly). If i had to pick one of those laptops to take apart, it would be the MSi too. My daughter has an hp victus 16, and that sucked to take apart. MSi laptops come apart nice and easy. Could be upgraded with ease.

It's the only one I would call a bargain. I would pay $730(€671) for it.

 

[Vincero]

I think this will be my final post before I make a decision, I went through the websites that were recommended to me as well as whatever i found on google.

First of all it is important to mention that I will most likely never play any new release and stick to LoL(99%)/GW2(1%). I care about upgradability but not to the point that I would cut performance, I want it to be a good system now and then think about upgrading if I ever run into trouble.

This is the most recommended prebuild I posted so far.

Game Office Work V3 | AMD Ryzen 5 5600X | Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 8GB | 32GB RAM | 1TB NVMe SSD | Windows 11 | WiFi | Libre Office | 4260561746557

CPU (Processor): AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 6x 3.70GHz (65W)Mainboard: ASUS PRIME A520M-A II/CSM (90MB17H0-M0EAYC)Video Card (VGA Card): Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 8GB HDMI / DisplayPort System Memory (RAM): 32 GB Performance RAM DDR4SSD: 1000GB M.2 NVME High Perfor…

www.ankermann.com

This is probably still the best balanced system.

I found a AM5 system in my price range (i think, was not easy), Would this be better because it is AM5 not AM4? Is it only better in terms of upgradability or also in terms of performance right now.

AMD Ryzen 5 7600 - 32GB RAM - 1000GB SSD - WiFi - Bluetooth

Compatible met Windows 11 en geleverd met WiFi en Bluetooth.

www.computergigant.nl

The motherboard they provide in that build is not very good - sure it's upgradable to newer CPUs when they come but nothing too heavy as it's really not built for higher TDP CPUs. Also 350W PSU... where do they even find that crap... avoid.

I also have a few that seem comparable to the first pc (AM4, with stronger graphics card), are any of them better in terms of bang for buck, or just straight up superior?

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X High-End Game PC / Streaming Computer - RTX 3050 8GB - 16GB RAM - 500GB SSD - Gamdias Talos E3 Black - Win11

Deze Ryzen 7 5800X gaming desktop met de RTX 3050 8GB in RGB behuizing is een top aanbieding! Met dit systeem hoeft u zich over de processorkracht (8 core processor) de komende jaren geen zorgen te maken en de RTX 3050 8GB biedt zeer mooie prestaties met gaming. Je zult de meeste games op hoge...

www.lalashops.nl

Better 8 core CPU but worse graphics... I'd stick with the 5600x and RTX 4060.

Gaming PC Illusionist, Intel Core i5-12400F, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB - Fertig-PC

Handgefertigter Gaming-PC von Caseking, Intel Core i5-12400F CPU, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 GPU, MSI PRO H610M-E DDR4 Mainboard, 16 GB DDR4-RAM, 1 TB NVMe SSD, Kolink Inspire K2 Plus Gehäuse

www.caseking.de

Interesting option - the 12400F sits sort of in the middle of the 5600X and 5800X and the RTX 3060 12GB isn't too far behind the 4060 (the 4GB extra VRAM is maybe useful in the future... maybe), but it will likely on balance be a touch slower than the 5600x and RTX 4060 combo.

Gaming-PC Dark Pulse, Intel Core i5-12400F, Intel Arc A380 - Fertig-PC

Handgefertigter Gaming-PC von Caseking, Intel Core i5-12400F CPU, Intel Arc A380 GPU, ASRock B760M-HDV/M.2 D4 Mainboard, 16 GB DDR4-3200-RAM, 1 TB NVMe SSD, Kolink Inspire K7 ARGB Gehäuse, Kolink Umbra EX180 Black Edition CPU-Kühler

www.caseking.de

The Arc A380 is not really in same league - definitely not as fast - avoid.

https://www.one.de/one-gaming-gaming-pc-starter-ar01-ryzen-5-pro-4650g-gt-1030-21910

Interesting... was gonna dismiss this entirely until the link opened and I had a good look at the site.
When I click that link it what I see doesn't match the description in the link itself - I see a system with a Ryzen 7600 not a 4650G.... that's not a bad thing as the 4650G CPU is old now.
At first looks it's not a good system - but they do let you configure it; you can remove the GT 1030 graphics card for example - it literally offers minimally any advantage over the Ryzen 7600 iGPU - and swap the RAM for DDR5-6000 and the SSD for a PCIe v4 1TB and it's still €740.... you could swap in a Corsair RM850 PSU and it'll be ready for any future GPU upgrade you'd want to do (barring whatever madness Nvidia come up with in the next few months with the RTX 5090) and it's still just under €800. The MSI B650M-P is an OK motherboard - not amazing but good enough (and definitely a step up over the Gigabyte B650 S2H offering used by other vendors). 3 year warranty is also not bad.
Example of changes: https://www.one.de/configurations/load/BCWQZA

GT1030 vs iGPUs & low-end GPUs

AMD Ryzen 7 aanbieding met 16GB RAM - 500GB SSD - GIGADEAL!

Deze aanbieding is beperkt leverbaar en geldig zolang de voorraad strekt.

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Not worth it... it's cheaper for a reason.

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The RX6550M GPU is not as fast as the RTX4050 in the MSI. The CPU on each is fairly evenly matched, but overall this laptop will be worse gaming wise.

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Different configurations reviewed by different people make it hard to gauge, see: https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-Cyborg-15-A13VE.750293.0.html

Looking at the cooling solution on the laptop teardown doesn't inspire great confidence (shared CPU/GPU cooler) that if both are working hard there wouldn't be some throttling. Can't be sure about the HP in that regards but generally thinner and cheaper laptops tend to be compromised compared to mobile workstation / high-end gaming laptops.

I don't see either of these laptops making particularly good use of the 144Hz display except for the fact if they may support G-sync/Freesync so can avoid low refresh tearing - not clear on that on either of their listings / info.

MSi cyborg laptop blows them all away (much newer too)

I was thinking similar would be true, but upon further investigation it's limited to just 45W TDP so it will not be anywhere near as good as some of the benchmarks for the RTX 4050 would generally be. Like CPUs the TDP reduction doesn't scale performance in a linear way (fortunately), but definitely blunts its performance.
An example (and not a fan of some of these comparisons) can be seen on youtube:

So instead of it being a full 100W+ TDP 4050 and maybe 75% of the performance of a standard 4060, it's actually struggling to be 75% of a normal 4050.... Should still be able to beat the RX 6550M easily but not the slam dunk it appears it could be on paper.

 

[damric]

Would they give me some type of insurance or warranty, then I would consider it. My second hand laptop broke within a year, and second hand phones etc., ive owned over the last year all had some troubles too, which is why I am very hesitant on anything second hand atm.

Not unless the individual component is under warranty. The good thing about building it yourself is if something fails you just replace one component instead of having to send your whole rig in for replacement. Yeah laptops and phones you are pretty much stuck like that.

 

[Redwoodz]

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