AMD Announces Ryzen 7 9800X3D, and Price-cuts Across Ryzen 9000 Series

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It's time to scrap the non 3D cache versions. It's just a nasty cash-grab that needs to stop.

The CPU is so badly designed for common home workloads (gaming) that it needs this cache to function properly outside of excel and web browsing.

But the X versions will probably still be clocked higher, so many non-gaming workloads will be faster on the Xens.

 

[mkppo]

It's time to scrap the non 3D cache versions. It's just a nasty cash-grab that needs to stop.

The CPU is so badly designed for common home workloads (gaming) that it needs this cache to function properly outside of excel and web browsing.

I can't really agree to that.

The option to have non X3D CPUs for people who already get enough gaming performance should be there. I sold my 7950X3D for a 9950X simply because games were not bottlenecked at 1440p wide but I got extra productivity performance. I lost all of 0% performance in games but gained significantly more in productivity.

Zen 5 isn't slow in gaming by any stretch, it's just that the X3D's are stupid fast and useful for 1) competitive gaming at relatively low resolutions with a flagship GPU + super fast monitor 2) Gamers primarily playing certain simulation games such as factorio etc 3) People who are planning to keep their CPU's for a couple of GPU generations.

Even if magically they lose 0% clockspeed when going X3D, it'll still cost more. So even in that case just reduce non-X3D prices and i'll take it.

Also, the X3D reimagined sounds interesting. Adding L2 doesn't make sense as it'll pretty much require a whole redesign of the floorplan, and dual X3D's are a lot of money for very little gain. If you see Zen5's floorplan, it doesn't really seem to have much space on the L3 area to include another 64MB on top because they considerably shrunk the L3 in Zen 5 in places where the TSV's are. So I'll add to others predictions and say it'll include two stacks of 48MB L3 for a total of 96MB.

 

[blacksea76]

Hahahaha... Price cuts two months after launch. Good job AMD. Love the winning streak your marketing departments is on.

Hahahahaha, hurting inside much? Envy?

 

[Gameslove]

Great, but we happy with the Ryzen 7 5800X3D.

 

[ymdhis]

Zen5 doesn't suck, its pricing sucks. I hope AMD prices them better with these price cuts.

Motherboards and the whole DDR5 memory training also sucks. I was considering waiting for B850 but apparently it has gimped PCIE lanes so it's closer to the A620. And there are no matx X870 boards announced.

 

[Metroid]

@Chaitanya
Zen 5 seems to be selling poorly. They had no choice but to get out the X3D early and cut the pricing.

People are not stupid anymore, most people buy cpus for gaming and AMD trying to make those people buy cpus that is not for gaming was bad. The right approach was AMD to launch gaming and non gaming cpus at day 1, different uses cases and let people choose which one to buy. AMD learnt the hard way, let's hope next time they do it right and if it was not for Intel releasing arrow lake now then AMD would not have bothered in releasing a gaming cpu now, competition is always good.

 

[Hecate91]

It's time to scrap the non 3D cache versions. It's just a nasty cash-grab that needs to stop.

The CPU is so badly designed for common home workloads (gaming) that it needs this cache to function properly outside of excel and web browsing.

I disagree, the non X3D versions should still be an option for people that don't need the extra performance for gaming, and I think it should be an option unless AMD can get the X3D versions to clock as high as the non X3D versions.
Also Zen 5 is more than fast enough, the prices just need to come down more.

Motherboards and the whole DDR5 memory training also sucks. I was considering waiting for B850 but apparently it has gimped PCIE lanes so it's closer to the A620. And there are no matx X870 boards announced.

IIRC the memory training really isn't a problem anymore, also X670 is still an option and IMO is the better choice unless someone needs USB4.
I'd like to see more MATX boards but unfortunately board makers want to market having a bunch of M.2 slots while most people will only use 1 or 2 of them.

 

[Metroid]

Motherboards and the whole DDR5 memory training also sucks.

Intel does not have that issue, many people will buy arrow lake for that reason even though the boot time now is 20 seconds, when it came out boot time was around a minute and that made many people mad.

 

[Visible Noise]

Hahahahaha, hurting inside much? Envy?

No, why? Did you buy one?

 

[mb194dc]

Another week another AMD price cut, getting silly now.

 

[R0H1T]

Silly because of price cuts? Why aren't you posting from your real id Pat

Spoiler

 

[robert3892]

I thought X3D might make appearance at CES in Jan.

The 9950X3D might be shown off at that time. We'll see.

 

[mkppo]

IIRC the memory training really isn't a problem anymore, also X670 is still an option and IMO is the better choice unless someone needs USB4.
I'd like to see more MATX boards but unfortunately board makers want to market having a bunch of M.2 slots while most people will only use 1 or 2 of them.

Memory training is fixed in the GB X670's as far as I can tell so i'm sure others are sorted too. It's there, but even with memory context disabled the POST time isn't long at all. I did some memory tuning too and even though I encountered the usual no POST and other annoyances that comes during memory tuning, it was a pretty smooth experience. When AM5 launched, this same experience was frankly terrible.

Hahahaha... Price cuts two months after launch. Good job AMD. Love the winning streak your marketing departments is on.

It's pretty standard for AMD to do price cuts after X3D launch. They've just announced it this time around

 

[Frick]

Looking forward to reviews. But frankly I assume prices will not drop much in my neck of the woods, they seldom seem to.

 

[_roman_]

the whole DDR5 memory training also sucks.

I have certain Options set in the UEFI.

I turn on my mainboard, monitor and speakers with just a single switch from the wall socket.
The POST time and warm boot time is finally fixed on my ASUS X670 mainboard. It's sometimes faster as time the ASUS Proart Monitor needs for the bootup logo. I use very slow 6000 MT/s 2x32GiB DRAM Modules with slightly tuned timings.

I use the F8 key to open the mainbaord bootloader to load e.g. Windows 11. That is usually possible around 5 seconds after I used the single wall switch to power on my hole computer setup.

Even after an UEFI Update recently, CMOS Reset and applied settings from the USB stick the mainboard instantly booted.

 

[Darksword]

Will they be available for pre-order, or do I have to take Nov. 7th off work and spam F5 on my keyboard all morning?

 

[TomWeng]

Is it? 265K will be better for everything except for competition low res gaming with high end graphic cards.

x3d has higher 1% low frame rate in games

Motherboards and the whole DDR5 memory training also sucks. I was considering waiting for B850 but apparently it has gimped PCIE lanes so it's closer to the A620. And there are no matx X870 boards announced.

6400c32 is sweet spot. matx b650(e) good enough already

 

[Hankieroseman]

I got my case.

 

[Marcus L]

I just checked the Ryzen 9600X price. Still more expensive as the Ryzen 7500F / 7600 / 7600X.

Why should it be as cheap as the 7500f/7600 or even the 7600x? yes it is still more expensive than the 7600x which this CPU is comparable from a previous to next gen "upgrade" but comparing prices of the non-X and even 7500f is like comparing apples to bananas, you're in the wrong ball park completely.

I foresee the 9000 series just replacing the 7000 series and prices coming down to what the current 7000 series are now once 7000 stocks are depleted which is what AMD tend to do when introducing a new gen CPU, they generally remain higher than the previous gen. Same as with DDR4-DDR5, 32GB of DDR4 can be had for £50-£60 compare that to to £80-100 for DDR5 and is the difference worth it in terms of performance uplift? no.

 

[kapone32]

I know Intel and AMD have called their Zen5 and Core Ultra Series 2 the next generation of CPUs. But really, I'm not sure why more media isn't just calling it a refresh generation for both. Or the "tock" of tick tock generation of CPUs. Take the same generation before and make it more energy efficient is what this current and upcoming generation are.

Tick tock was pure Intel for 2 to 3% performance. The reason why people are ragging on AMD performance is because of what AM4 was from the 1700 to 5800x was up to 80% more performance if you calculated the improvement each generation. Then we got X3D for Gaming. One issue is that CPU reviews still lump AMD chips into the same mixer. So even though the improvement from 7900X to 9900X was about the same as 1700 to 2700 (with about the same Memory bump) in performance uplift. The X3D numbers made it seem meh because they were not faster in Gaming than them. I have argued that APUs, CPUs and X3D chips should be reviewed differently as they are so different in architecture. There is no 7000 or 9000 chips that can run memory even as fast as a 8600G. There is no X or non X chip that will beat an X3D in Games that fully support it. So the 11% improvement was not taken well.

Motherboards and the whole DDR5 memory training also sucks. I was considering waiting for B850 but apparently it has gimped PCIE lanes so it's closer to the A620. And there are no matx X870 boards announced.

That is a nothing burger

 

[Launcestonian]

x3d has higher 1% low frame rate in games


6400c32 is sweet spot. matx b650(e) good enough already

6400CL30 1:1 with 2200FCLK is a killer in gaming. Zen 5 non X3D @ its best imo.

 

[Makaveli]

It's time to scrap the non 3D cache versions. It's just a nasty cash-grab that needs to stop.

The CPU is so badly designed for common home workloads (gaming) that it needs this cache to function properly outside of excel and web browsing.

lol never going to happen.

Priority for cache goes to EYPC first.

 

[Jism]

It's time to scrap the non 3D cache versions. It's just a nasty cash-grab that needs to stop.

The CPU is so badly designed for common home workloads (gaming) that it needs this cache to function properly outside of excel and web browsing.

There's a video out there, that shows an engineer being asked or tasked with the job, look we got a bunch of Epyc with additional cache available, what can you do with it?

And they learned that the additional cache would favor games in particular, or actually, HUGE benefit in games. It needs half of the power to beat intel at the same game.

The AMD Epyc lineup had some chips where additional cache was needed for some big clients - so its logical they would address these chips for consumers.

Nothing gets lost, but calling this just a cashgrab? They are a huge addition.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Hmmm....If I have a 7700X right now, with these price cuts I wonder if I'd gain any actual benefit going from a 7700X to a 9700X? Or would I gain a bigger benefit going from a 7700X to a 7800X3D even though I do more on my rig than strictly gaming (I use GIMP and Blender a bit, but it's more of a hobby thing)

Choices, choices. Buuuut at least I can keep my current boards

 

[ymbaja]

I'm noticing a trend with the naming/numbering of segments of pc components. Zen FIVE AM FIVE PCI FIVE DDR FIIIIIIVE , is it at all significant that they are all five or is it merely coincidence and has no bearing on anything?

Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast....for it is a human number. Its number...is six hundred and sixty-six…​

(Come next year, get ready to queue up the Maiden)