Google Working on "Project Jarvis" AI That Can Control User's PC

[Aleksandar_038]

Because Google is serving the ad and gets paid for serving ads, and the ad does not know if it is being served to Jarvis or Aleksandar 038. So Google can make advertisers pay them more money with no effort.

Yes, but Google made fortune because their ads "worked" much better than others, because they were "targeted" long before anyone else used it.

If ads is served constantly to Jarvis, and Jarvis does not buy anything, ad does not "work". You, as one paying the ad, are getting nothing in return - therefore, after some time, you simply stop paying to Google.

So, no, that does not gonna work.

Maybe Jarvis will also serve ads...?

 

[Lycanwolfen]

Ummmm Hell No. That is some big red flags right there. Imagine if hackers got ahold of that info. Will these people just stop with the A.I. allready.
Or is it the A.I. all ready controlling them.

 

[Aleksandar_038]

Ummmm Hell No. That is some big red flags right there. Imagine if hackers got ahold of that info. Will these people just stop with the A.I. allready.
Or is it the A.I. all ready controlling them.

Forget hackers, I am actually more afraid of Google

 

[ScaLibBDP]

>>...this level of system access raises significant security and privacy concerns...

That is why internet browsers with too advanced AI functionality, especially Google Chrome, should not be used.

PS: For example, Last update of Chromium browser was on April 2022 ( version 100.0.4896.88 ).

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

>>...this level of system access raises significant security and privacy concerns...

That is why internet browsers with too advanced AI functionality, especially Google Chrome, should not be used.

PS: For example, Last update of Chromium browser was on April 2022 ( version 100.0.4896.88 ).

Anyone that uses a browser made by a company that harvests personal information for profit needs their head examined.

 

[Aleksandar_038]

Anyone that uses a browser made by a company that harvests personal information for profit needs their head examined.

Not that we had much options anyway - they are all Chromium baaed these days, and Google is still main Chromium contributor...
Firefox is independent on paper - but 90% of their revenue comes from Google, and one that gives money is the one that controls the direction, so...

When you consider that our whole internet access is routed through Google projects... It is very scary actually...

 

[R-T-B]

and one that gives money is the one that controls the direction, so...

Not in the mozilla foundations case, no. Their donation literally grants them no seats or votes in their direction. They (google) do it more to avoid antitrust allegations.

 

[Steevo]

Because Google is serving the ad and gets paid for serving ads, and the ad does not know if it is being served to Jarvis or Aleksandar 038. So Google can make advertisers pay them more money with no effort.

Ita why the large platforms are filled woth obvious bots/spam/shill accounts that never get banned. It's to pump up their fake numbers for more ad views.

I took screenshots of porn on FB with links to porn sites being shared by a bot account and FB declined to delete or ban the account.

 

[Aleksandar_038]

Not in the mozilla foundations case, no. Their donation litetally grants them no seats or votes in their direction. They (google) do it more to avoid antitrust allegations.

Well, you can believe in Santa Clause, too... but real life tends to work like this: if I give you humongous amount of money, I expect something in return. It is that simple.

Avoiding antitrust allegations is handy, for sure, but zero reason to believe it ends there.

And when you consider that is our best and only alternative... It is an even grimier picture...

 

[R-T-B]

Well, you can believe in Santa Clause, too... but real life tends to work like this: if I give you humongous amount of money, I expect something in return. It is that simple.

And here is an extension of that: if you have no means to extract your "something in return" you can and will be told to pound sand.

Yes, google could threaten to withdraw funding... but they won't because that would be an instant antitrust lawsuit. Mozilla isn't stupid, they know this. Any demands from Chromium town will be respected more out of browser usage share respect than anything else. Trying to use the donation line as leverage would be... amusing.

but zero reason to believe it ends there.

Why on earth wouldn't it end there? They have no votes, no influence on the board.

 

[Aleksandar_038]

And here is an extension of that: if you have no means to extract your "something in return" you can and will be told to pound sand.

Yes, google could threaten to withdraw funding... but they won't because that would be an instant antitrust lawsuit. Mozilla isn't stupid, they know this. Any demands from Chromium town will be respected more out of browser usage share respect than anything else. Trying to use the donation line as leverage would be... amusing.

Threaten? That is not how it works... They will simply reduce financial support until it becomes unsustainable... They pay them to use Google Search Engine, but once they give up on that or reduce financial support (not like they have any competitor)...

They do not need to threaten them, they simply will subdue them into necessary position... Actually, they already did.

Why on earth wouldn't it end there? They have no votes, no influence on the board.

Jesus Christ... You really don't know how lobbying and influence works, or you are just playing with me? Like we all know how all megacorps have no influence on political decisions and directions... Because Mozilla board is consisted of superhuman individuals...

Please tell me you are 10 year old...

 

[Bones]

Why on earth wouldn't it end there? They have no votes, no influence on the board.

AI machine language translation:
STFU and do what we (Google) told you to do.
And they will.

 

[Hecate91]

Jesus Christ... You really don't know how lobbying and influence works, or you are just playing with me? Like we all know how all megacorps have no influence on political decisions and directions... Because Mozilla board is consisted of superhuman individuals...

Please tell me you are 10 year old...

There has to be some influence for sure, Google should've been sued for anti-competition and monopoly tactics with Chrome years ago.

 

[R-T-B]

Jesus Christ... You really don't know how lobbying and influence works, or you are just playing with me?

I'm not. You need to look at the circumstances man. Not everywhere money changes hand is a quid pro quo thing. Its not all a conspiracy, certainly not here. Look, there are plenty of legit issues with google as a company. Don't muddy the waters with questionable issues like this.

And they will.

Read above why they would have no reason to do so other than perhaps market share of chromium, which is completely unrelated to the donations.

This is way OT anyways guys.

Please tell me you are 10 year old...

*Points to 15 Year "Long Service" badge*

Don't make me tap the sign. I'm well into my late 30s.

 

[eidairaman1]

Uhhh… how about no? I know that it might seem like a very cool and advanced thing to normies, but surely tech enthusiasts won’t see at as a good thing? There is a reason there’s a joke about us keeping a hammer right next to an old printer in case it decides to rebel.

Its already here with recall/copilot, no thanks.

Google can pound sand

So the company that started as a search engine is writing a piece of software that does what exactly? It uses your PC for you? Opens your browser? Searches your PC?

If anything this shows how stupid we are as a species.

Thieves more like it. This might be my last phone that is android based, I am not going with apple either

 

[Jism]

I thought about it,

Tell google to make a roundtrip through sites - open stats for me on this page, that page blablabla. Sounds really like a neat feature, but,

It's google afterall. We are the data objects.

 

[R-T-B]

This might be my last phone that is android based, I am not going with apple either

so... off the cell grid entirely? Not aware of any even "dumbphones" that aren't at least android based (stripped down ofc).

 

[Bones]

Read above why they would have no reason to do so other than perhaps market share of chromium, which is completely unrelated to the donations.

Doesn't take a conspiracy to follow instructions given.
Since they are creating the AI it's only natural they would have control over it and an AI can in turn take control of your machine if instructed to.

AI is smart enough to follow instructions and to figure out ways to do what it deems logical for achieving it's instructed goal, even if it isn't exactly along the lines of what it was told to do.
Problem is what it deems logical to reach completion of it's instruction(s) if and when it decides to do that.
AI Gone Wrong: A List of AI Errors, Mistakes and Failures

This is why so many here simply will not trust an AI (I certainly don't) just coming into their machine and setting up, no telling what could happen from there regardless of what it was told to do because humans may be in control, but humans aren't perfect either and that's where much of the rub to it lies.
Even if there is no bad intent in what it's told to do, things can still go way off the rails.

All it takes is one bad apple and you've already made a point about it yourself.

Ah, the malware writers will love this.

Yes they would except in their case it's intentional - That much is true.

 

[R-T-B]

Doesn't take a conspiracy to follow instructions given.

No but it does usually require leverage. Leverage the donation does not have, because as I've repeatedly stated, google has to make this donation virtually no matter what.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

I think there is a disconnect; bones is talking about Jarvis, not Mozilla. Mozilla is really off topic; let us continue speaking about Jarvis.

I fear there is another security loophole we may not be talking about. We can restrict what programs can send data over the internet, which is good. I don't need random programs talking over the internet to who-knows-where, especially if they are not the most reputable of apps. This Jarvis AI allows essentially any app that can either gain control or convince it to either A) change firewall settings or B) open up a safe app that does communicate to the internet, such as a browser, and form a connection via a safe app.


Perhaps my inherent distrust of "AI" programs is causing me to have unfounded fears, but I don't see how this is a justifiable risk.

 

[Macro Device]

This might be my last phone that is android based, I am not going with apple either

Also thinking about my utter retirement from the smartphone owners club. Using an old school "dumb" brick to call people and a Linux based laptop to text them if calling is unwanted is the way to go. I'm gorilla sized (won't convert to metric system) and kinda fit so having a lappie on me 24/7 ain't an issue.

 

[Aleksandar_038]

I'm not. You need to look at the circumstances man. Not everywhere money changes hand is a quid pro quo thing. Its not all a conspiracy, certainly not here. Look, there are plenty of legit issues with google as a company. Don't muddy the waters with questionable issues like this.

Of courae it is not that simple, but Google have long history of twisting open sources to their will - Chromium and Android are prime examples. After all, I think that we all can agree that Mozilla is on the brink of collapse..
Which may be the best thing on order to rip out Chromium out of Google hands if anyhow possible.

*Points to 15 Year "Long Service" badge*

Don't make me tap the sign. I'm well into my late 30s.

Sorry, sorry, my bad.

Back to topic, I really do not see point of such AI. For sure I want some boring tasks automated - but for most of them, I do not need AI, I need properly written software and couple of scripts.

For the other stuff I need data amd I need to make decision - sure as hell I can not leave something like that for AI.

So once more, we are getting something no one asked for...

Truth to be told, I think that MS will do the same very soon, Apple and Samsung also...

 

[R-T-B]

I think there is a disconnect; bones is talking about Jarvis, not Mozilla. Mozilla is really off topic; let us continue speaking about Jarvis.

Yeah that was a my bad. On the Jarvis point I completely agree.

 

[the54thvoid]

This is a gross simplification of the application, but if we're breaking this down to "let's make AI help you browse and organise a trip." then I think we can all agree it's a colossal waste of energy resources and investment.

OTOH, it's being used in science and medicine for arguably more human benefits.

 

[Assimilator]

This is a gross simplification of the application, but if we're breaking this down to "let's make AI help you browse and organise a trip." then I think we can all agree it's a colossal waste of energy resources and investment.

Is it, though? Taking the fuss out of planning a trip is something that I, and I wager many others, would gladly pay a nominal monthly fee for.

OTOH, it's being used in science and medicine for arguably more human benefits.

The technology that's being used here is the same correlating and pattern-matching stuff that has been in machine learning forever, just the scale is bigger.