4070Ti Super with good VRMs, components, temps?

[rozplay]

Hey guys,

I'm on the hunt for a 4070Ti Super with good quality VRMs (no AOZ!) and general component quality, along with decent temperatures and noise. And if possible, no coil whine - that shit kills me.

I've been following this chart, but it's the regular 4070 series so not totally applicable. But I would imagine it roughly follows.... then again, maybe not? Hence why I'm asking.

For the record, I don't intend to do any overclocking. This might mean VRMs are inconsequential to some, but I am quite paranoid about that sort of thing, as well as temperatures.

I was going to get the PNY XLR8, but just realized it's too long for my case (again, these lengths in the image are for the 4070, not the Ti S).

So the next choices are... Asus Dual, Gigabyte Gaming OC... and if it's reasonably priced, the Asus TUF I guess.

But can anyone else shed any light on the Ti S variants specifically? Are there other models worth looking at where you know the VRMs are decent?

 

[Assimilator]

There's no reason to give a shit about VRMs if you aren't overclocking. It's not as if board partners design their cards to fail under ordinary use. You are going to pay more money for better VRMs and that is a waste if you are not OCing.

Using a 4070 chart as a buyer's guide for a 4070 Ti SUPER is just plain nonsensical, there's zero guarantee that anything is the same between the two models.

 

[DirtyDingusMcgee]

So what length will fit your case? Shorter than 305mm i gather, but we need to know if we are even to begin making a suggestion.

 

[rozplay]

There's no reason to give a shit about VRMs if you aren't overclocking. It's not as if board partners design their cards to fail under ordinary use. You are going to pay more money for better VRMs and that is a waste if you are not OCing.

Using a 4070 chart as a buyer's guide for a 4070 Ti SUPER is just plain nonsensical, there's zero guarantee that anything is the same between the two models.

Thanks for the kind words, I did expect this response, but based on returned cards, AOZ modules fail at over a 50% higher rate according to one large repair outfit, which is why the chart exists and has that in red.

As for the chart not being accurate, I mentioned that in the post. It was used largely to provide background context but even then it is accurate to some degree I.e even TPU's own reviews have shown the Dual cards still use the same vrms in the Ti S.

So what length will fit your case? Shorter than 305mm i gather, but we need to know if we are even to begin making a suggestion.

Shorter than 310. Again sadly this chart is for the regular 4070, not the Ti S versions (it was just used as context and only partly accurate for some columns). Thank you

 

[eidairaman1]

Thanks for the kind words, I did expect this response, but based on returned cards, AOZ modules fail at over a 50% higher rate according to one large repair outfit, which is why the chart exists and has that in red.

As for the chart not being accurate, I mentioned that in the post. It was used largely to provide background context but even then it is accurate to some degree I.e even TPU's own reviews have shown the Dual cards still use the same vrms in the Ti S.


Shorter than 310. Again sadly this chart is for the regular 4070, not the Ti S versions (it was just used as context and only partly accurate for some columns). Thank you

What about AsRock?

 

[rozplay]

What about AsRock?

Good question. I didn't actually realize they made any 4070Ti Supers... or... any cards at all for that matter....... I actually genuinely can't tell if you're joking with me

 

[DirtyDingusMcgee]

None of the ones I would own are under 310mm. Just pick one that matches your odd criteria.

 

[tabascosauz]

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I'd lean more towards "not applicable at all", considering 4070 Super designs were the ones that recycled 4070 designs, size- and power-wise. 4070 Ti Super was a mix of recycling 4070 Ti and 4080 designs, appropriately so.

I've only seen dual fan models from MSI and Asus, which look pretty much identical to their 4070 Super offerings. So those should be about the same. Asus Dual is a good choice for 4070 and 4070 Super, but carrying that same design over to between 4070 Ti and 4080 power draw, I wouldn't be so sure anymore. Less concern about VRM, more about simply the Dual cooler on a significantly higher class of card.

If you don't intend to do OC, then your concerns really are bordering on paranoia. And if you are really paranoid, then just undervolt like a ton of users do and be done with it.

In any case, if you are looking for overbuilt PCB design for maximum (theoretical) longevity, looking at dual-fan designs shared with lesser 4070 Super cards is not the way to go for a ~300W class card.

 

[DirtyDingusMcgee]

What he said

 

[rozplay]

Good points, and yeah originally I was intending to get a 4070S (and using this chart as a guide) but definitely hear you on it maybe not be so applicable to the Ti range due to the larger power design.

Same goes for the dual fan designs on these cards - exactly what I was wondering. But it's hard to find user reviews or reviews in general on that specific card, so it's hard to say.

I think it's fair to want quality components if you have heard from a reliable source that a certain type of VRM (AOZ) is more likely to fail though. We can all agree that certain models have issues and this is often reflected in much higher negative reviews for certain brands sometimes (for example, the MSI Ventus originally had really bad VRMS - missing thermal pads in some locations)

While I do like the Dual and have heard they're good cards, you could be right, they may not quite be enough for the higher Ti model. So the TUF or Gigabyte OC models might be the 'only' options.

 

[eidairaman1]

Good question. I didn't actually realize they made any 4070Ti Supers... or... any cards at all for that matter....... I actually genuinely can't tell if you're joking with me

Get on their page and look

 

[rozplay]

Get on their page and look

Well, in either case - there's none from them available in Australia, at all, based on what I can tell.

 

[rozplay]

I should also note - while I am paranoid of the quality of the cards (largely the VRMs as they are the biggest concern/first to fail), I am ordering from outside my home country, so warranty and RMA would be a real pain - hence wanting something that won't fail easily.

 

[tabascosauz]

Good points, and yeah originally I was intending to get a 4070S (and using this chart as a guide) but definitely hear you on it maybe not be so applicable to the Ti range due to the larger power design.

Same goes for the dual fan designs on these cards - exactly what I was wondering. But it's hard to find user reviews or reviews in general on that specific card, so it's hard to say.

I think it's fair to want quality components if you have heard from a reliable source that a certain type of VRM (AOZ) is more likely to fail though. We can all agree that certain models have issues and this is often reflected in much higher negative reviews for certain brands sometimes (for example, the MSI Ventus originally had really bad VRMS - missing thermal pads in some locations)

While I do like the Dual and have heard they're good cards, you could be right, they may not quite be enough for the higher Ti model. So the TUF or Gigabyte OC models might be the 'only' options.

I'm surprised that basically nobody has actually reviewed the 4070 Ti Super Dual. We know from the 4070 and 4070 Super SKUs that it's a pretty robust card, but thermals are still an open question. There are reviews on the MSI Ventus 2X though, and it's more or less what can be expected from a 2-fan, around 70C edge temp. Which I honestly think isn't bad at all for its size, and the Dual should be about the same (probably better).

Asus does reuse the PCB for basically its entire 4070 family, Ti Super included. So if you do care for component choice above all, they might be your best bet.

The Duals and TUFs share PCBs. For the TUF, and higher wattage Ti and (I'm assuming) the Ti Super, they fill in 1-3 extra Vcore phases on the left side, but everything else remains the same.

From left to right: 4070 Dual, 4070 Super Dual, 4070 Ti TUF, 4070 Ti Super TUF

Only for Strix cards and 4080+, do Asus GPUs go to a different and taller PCB.

Asus also likes to use ball bearing fans, so that's another plus for component choice. Sleeve bearing fans in GPUs (e.g. Gigabyte) are really not a great idea unless you have a vertical GPU and/or horizontal mobo layout, and make aggressive use of idle fan stop.

 

[rozplay]

I'm surprised that basically nobody has actually reviewed the 4070 Ti Super Dual. We know from the 4070 and 4070 Super SKUs that it's a pretty robust card, but thermals are still an open question. There are reviews on the MSI Ventus 2X though, and it's more or less what can be expected from a 2-fan, around 70C edge temp. Which I honestly think isn't bad at all for its size, and the Dual should be about the same (probably better).

Asus does reuse the PCB for basically its entire 4070 family, Ti Super included. So if you do care for component choice above all, they might be your best bet.

The Duals and TUFs share PCBs. For the TUF, and higher wattage Ti and (I'm assuming) the Ti Super, they fill in 1-3 extra Vcore phases on the left side, but everything else remains the same.

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From left to right: 4070 Dual, 4070 Super Dual, 4070 Ti TUF, 4070 Ti Super TUF

Only for Strix cards and 4080+, do Asus GPUs go to a different and taller PCB.

Asus also likes to use ball bearing fans, so that's another plus for component choice. Sleeve bearing fans in GPUs (e.g. Gigabyte) are really not a great idea unless you have a vertical GPU and/or horizontal mobo layout, and make aggressive use of idle fan stop.

That's amazing info.

Yeah I was definitely looking at the fact the Dual has a ballbearing fan, those are good. The PNY XLR8 does too but as mentioned sadly too long - they do have a cheaper version, simply called the PNY 4070 Ti SUPER VERTO, but it's literally the cheapest card on the market and some people have reported various issues on reddit including that the fans can't go below 30%! - but it's hard to really say with these things as usual.

Thermals are indeed an open question for the Dual. I've heard they have pretty good cooling for their size with some impressive heatpipes/cooling design, but yes as you say, it's hard to know how that translates to the Ti S versions.

 

[rozplay]

Of course, another approach at this point - seeing as the list is getting pretty small - would be to ignore the VRM type and just pray it doesn't fail, and instead focus on things like temps and fan bearing type.

The Asus TUF sounds good but is sadly a bit overpriced (for reference, I'm looking at this list here: https://www.pgrid.com.au/gpus/geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super)

So I suppose the prime question is whether the Asus Dual can cool the card enough on the Ti S version. It seems to do great on the regular 4070 Super, but I'm not sure I'd be happy with the drop in performance. That's another possibility I could consider though.

 

[freeagent]

It should be fine, it will start to pull clocks when it isn't comfy anymore.

 

[rozplay]

The other two options are the 4070ti Super MSI Ventus 3x - but I'm not sure if it has ball bearing fans or not - I know the 'Slim' variant does, but I can't tell for the Ventus 3x.

The Asus Dual would be great as long as its noise levels are good, but it's honestly really hard to find info.

I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too

 

[eidairaman1]

Go with your gut and decide

 

[freeagent]

I think the fans on my card have BB's. They can spin up to 3K and are loud AF lol..

 

[Event Horizon]

Coil whine is a lottery, unfortunately. Existing QC by all vendors is lacking in this area. You may need to return them until you get one with tolerable whine.

 

[rozplay]

Duly noted - some brands seem to have higher rates of whine than others, but that's a factor I can't control so should ignore.

The MSI Ventus 3X is weird - it uses Torx 4.0 Fans, just like some of their other models, and they all say they have ball bearings, so you'd think the same fan would use ball bearings on the 3X Ventus too. But the product page doesn't say that, so.... i guess not. If it did, that would be a clear winner here.

If only there was an "Asus Trio"... same design and price, but like, a 3 fan version, similar to the Ventus.

 

[tabascosauz]

The other two options are the 4070ti Super MSI Ventus 3x - but I'm not sure if it has ball bearing fans or not - I know the 'Slim' variant does, but I can't tell for the Ventus 3x.

The Asus Dual would be great as long as its noise levels are good, but it's honestly really hard to find info.

I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too

I have no love for Asus RMA processes (and do prefer MSI on that front), but seeing as RMA will probably be out of the picture for any brand you pick due to your situation, I would probably take the plunge on the Dual.

It seems like the new Dual cooler just keeps on trucking regardless of what it's slapped on, it just gets progressively louder. Ventus in particular hasn't really given off a great impression for years at this point. Just cheap and bargain basement fare.

Do you have more details as to the case it's going into? You can certainly make smaller cards work, they just need more love from case airflow.

 

[Event Horizon]

I have no love for Asus RMA processes (and do prefer MSI on that front), but seeing as RMA will probably be out of the picture for any brand you pick due to your situation, I would probably take the plunge on the Dual.

It seems like the new Dual cooler just keeps on trucking regardless of what it's slapped on, it just gets progressively louder. Ventus in particular hasn't really given off a great impression for years at this point. Just cheap and bargain basement fare.

Do you have more details as to the case it's going into? You can certainly make smaller cards work, they just need more love from case airflow.

I agree. Dual fan cards have some important advantages. They're more compact and typically weigh less so they don't need an anti-sag bracket or vertical mount and they're much less likely to get PCB cracking. It's a solid choice if the fan noise is tolerable. Ultimately I find it's the coil whine lottery that makes or breaks a card for me.

 

[rozplay]

I have no love for Asus RMA processes (and do prefer MSI on that front), but seeing as RMA will probably be out of the picture for any brand you pick due to your situation, I would probably take the plunge on the Dual.

It seems like the new Dual cooler just keeps on trucking regardless of what it's slapped on, it just gets progressively louder. Ventus in particular hasn't really given off a great impression for years at this point. Just cheap and bargain basement fare.

Do you have more details as to the case it's going into? You can certainly make smaller cards work, they just need more love from case airflow.

That's very helpful and wise insight, same for what you said @Event Horizon. As mentioned - the Asus Dual (non Evo - that seems important) seems to rate extremely well in terms of cooling/temps for the regular 4070S. Regarding the Ventus though - that's interesting to hear. From my wide sweeping research, many people seem happy with the Ventus (both the 2x and 3x) across both the S and Ti S range for temps/noise (maybe less so for the 2X). I know there was a bios issue, but that has been resolved. So I'm interested to hear you say that, as the only 'cheap' thing I can see is the possibility they don't use ballbearing fans (and I guess the plastic backplate - but that doesn't mean much to me). People do say the 2X performs well enough for cooling in the Ti S range though so if the Dual is better in the 4070S category, then logic suggests it might be marginally better in the Ti S category too. Though ultimately, still noisier than a 3 fan card, and noise is important. See here for example for a comparison of 2x and 3x Ventus.

The case is a Fractal Design - Define C. The max it technically lists is 315mm for GPU, but that's basically touching up against the front fans from what I can measure. So I'm going with 310 as a kind of safeguard (regardless, the PNY XLR8 which TPU reviewed well is 330mm anyway - cripes). Case airflow probably wouldn't help the temperature of the card enough to substantially reduce card temps (and therefore noise) though would it?

Definitely agree about coil whine but yeah that's luck of the draw I guess. I have an anti-sag prop, so no worries there even if do end up with the Ventus 3X. In terms of non-ballbearing fans, is it the lifespan that's the main concern? Or things like the 'tone' of the noise etc?

Since my previous GPU died I'm on a temporary RX 580 which is quite loud (not my video) - also a dual fan card - it's definitely a no from me dawg if the Asus Dual might also be this bad But it's probably better. Then again.... as that first video showed.... a 3 fan would be even better.

Curse my decision paralysis!