4070Ti Super with good VRMs, components, temps?

[Hyderz]

Vrms shouldn’t be an issue if your case has good airflow

 

[rozplay]

Vrms shouldn’t be an issue if your case has good airflow

Yeah you would hope so. But AOZ vrms fail more often it seems, and VRMs failing is the scariest thing to happen

 

[tabascosauz]

That's very helpful and wise insight, same for what you said @Event Horizon. As mentioned - the Asus Dual (non Evo - that seems important) seems to rate extremely well in terms of cooling/temps for the regular 4070S. Regarding the Ventus though - that's interesting to hear. From my wide sweeping research, many people seem happy with the Ventus (both the 2x and 3x) across both the S and Ti S range for temps/noise (maybe less so for the 2X). I know there was a bios issue, but that has been resolved. So I'm interested to hear you say that, as the only 'cheap' thing I can see is the possibility they don't use ballbearing fans (and I guess the plastic backplate - but that doesn't mean much to me). People do say the 2X performs well enough for cooling in the Ti S range though so if the Dual is better in the 4070S category, then logic suggests it might be marginally better in the Ti S category too. Though ultimately, still noisier than a 3 fan card, and noise is important. See here for example for a comparison of 2x and 3x Ventus.

Definitely agree about coil whine but yeah that's luck of the draw I guess. I have an anti-sag prop, so no worries there even if do end up with the Ventus 3X. In terms of non-ballbearing fans, is it the lifespan that's the main concern? Or things like the 'tone' of the noise etc?

Yes, for sleeve bearing fans it's lifespan that's a concern when they are oriented horizontally, which is true for most people's setups. When oriented vertically they are fine, and are often quieter than ball bearing fans. The Dual probably won't be winning any noise contests.

Metal backplate isn't just a nice-to-have; if it makes proper contact with thermal pads, it can help out with VRAM and VRM cooling from the back of the PCB a fair bit, even if the back of the PCB itself is not populated with memory packages. Even if it isn't heatsinked to the card, it still provides good rigidity. Plastic "backplates" are utterly appalling in this day and age in anything larger than a small xx60 series card and over $200.

Cooler+backplate rigidity are both still important if you want to go the distance with any card. An anti-sag bracket is not a panacea, especially since most designs only prop up the card at 1 or 2 specific points. With enough age, even stiffer cards will still just eventually and gradually warp around those points.

The older FD silence-oriented cases aren't exactly known for good airflow, so be sure to feed that card properly.

 

[rozplay]

Yes, for sleeve bearing fans it's lifespan that's a concern when they are oriented horizontally, which is true for most people's setups. When oriented vertically they are fine, and are often quieter than ball bearing fans. The Dual probably won't be winning any noise contests.

Metal backplate isn't just a nice-to-have; if it makes proper contact with thermal pads, it can help out with VRAM and VRM cooling from the back of the PCB a fair bit, even if the back of the PCB itself is not populated with memory packages. Even if it isn't heatsinked to the card, it still provides good rigidity. Plastic "backplates" are utterly appalling in this day and age in anything larger than a small xx60 series card and over $200.

Cooler+backplate rigidity are both still important if you want to go the distance with any card. An anti-sag bracket is not a panacea, especially since most designs only prop up the card at 1 or 2 specific points. With enough age, even stiffer cards will still just eventually and gradually warp around those points.

The older FD silence-oriented cases aren't exactly known for good airflow, so be sure to feed that card properly.

Hmm, definitely food for thought. Yes for some reason the ventus doesn't seem to have a metal backplate - though it does seem to do well in terms of cooling based on reviews even then. But that's good to know.

It sounds like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place then - if my case doesn't have the best airflow (2x front 140mm fans) then a 3fan card would be a better idea. So I may have to compromise somewhere.

 

[eidairaman1]

Duly noted - some brands seem to have higher rates of whine than others, but that's a factor I can't control so should ignore.

The MSI Ventus 3X is weird - it uses Torx 4.0 Fans, just like some of their other models, and they all say they have ball bearings, so you'd think the same fan would use ball bearings on the 3X Ventus too. But the product page doesn't say that, so.... i guess not. If it did, that would be a clear winner here.

If only there was an "Asus Trio"... same design and price, but like, a 3 fan version, similar to the Ventus.

Send msi an email on a technical question

 

[rozplay]

Send msi an email on a technical question

Great minds think alike - I just did that a few hours before your response!

In the meantime though, I canvassed some users directly and had some interesting responses. Some owners said their Asus Dual 4070Ti S run fairly cool and fairly quiet - and some MSI Ventus 2X owners said the same, but maybe not to the same degree (pun not intended).

So at this stage, i think that gives me enough confidence to go with the asus dual.

 

[Dr. Dro]

If you want the best and can afford it... buy the ROG Strix OC 4070Ti Super. Or even an used vanilla 4080 of the same type. Beware, these cards are exceptionally large and will need support to avoid sagging.

ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER 16GB GDDR6X OC Edition | Graphics Card | ROG Global

ROG Strix GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER 16GB GDDR6X OC Edition buffed-up design with chart-topping thermal performance.

rog.asus.com

As for a more down to earth, "Trio" card from ASUS which is more reasonably sized: you want the ProArt.

ProArt GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER OC Edition 16GB GDDR6X

ProArt GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti SUPER OC Edition 16GB GDDR6X brings elegant and minimalist style to empower creator PC builds with full-scale GeForce RTX™ 40 SUPER Series performance.

www.asus.com

 

[rozplay]

If you want the best and can afford it... buy the ROG Strix OC 4070Ti Super. Or even an used vanilla 4080 of the same type. Beware, these cards are exceptionally large and will need support to avoid sagging.

As for a more down to earth, "Trio" card from ASUS which is more reasonably sized: you want the ProArt.

Very smart suggestions. Sadly my budget does only stretch so far - but normally you would be right, I could have my cake and eat it too as long as money wasn't an issue (and damn if these cards aren't overpriced to begin with).

 

[Dr. Dro]

Very smart suggestions. Sadly my budget does only stretch so far - but normally you would be right, I could have my cake and eat it too as long as money wasn't an issue (and damn if these cards aren't overpriced to begin with).

Yeah, I saw the ProArt is 1499 on the link you sent. It really is a bit expensive, but it is a super premium card, if you mean to keep it for a while, it won't disappoint.

How much are you looking to spend? In any case, even if you have to go with the ASUS Dual, it's more than enough to have a great experience with it