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Darmoshark M5

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Being conceived for fingertip grip, the 38 g Darmoshark M5 comes with PixArt's PAW3395 sensor along with Kailh main button switches. Up 84 hours of battery life are cited at 1000 Hz, and 8000 Hz wireless polling is supported. Aside from 2.4 GHz wireless, Bluetooth is also present.

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Any plans for XM2W review?
 
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Meh. The Keychron M4 does the same shtick better and cheaper. And the HTR is the endpoint. This is stuck in no man’s land. Unironically, the more interesting product in the same vein from Darmoshark is the M3 Micro.

Any plans for XM2W review?
A tad expensive I would say to be of interest.
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Yes, this is a real current screenshot from the EGG site, lmao.
Yes, I know it’s a placeholder, just found it funny.
 
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Yeah I expected Darmoshark to come at a much lower price like Keychron M4 but I guess they went for more gamer specs like 8k. Which apparently doesn't even work :rolleyes:
 
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Ambidextrous : "Yes (side buttons on left side only)"

Please stop with this mis-labelling nonsense. Us left-handers look at "ambidextrous" mice precisely to use them in our left hand at which point the side buttons are useless vs genuinely ambidextrous mice like the Logitech G300S where you can actually use all the extra buttons in either hand. All shoving dozens of fake "ambidextrous" mice that are obviously designed only for right-handers only in just because they aren't "curved" does is make it virtually impossible for left-handers to filter out a list of what's actually left-handed friendly, which is the whole point of the "ambidextrous " label in the first place...
 

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Ambidextrous : "Yes (side buttons on left side only)"

Please stop with this mis-labelling nonsense. Us left-handers look at "ambidextrous" mice precisely to use them in our left hand at which point the side buttons are useless vs genuinely ambidextrous mice like the Logitech G300S where you can actually use all the extra buttons in either hand. All shoving dozens of fake "ambidextrous" mice that are obviously designed only for right-handers only in just because they aren't "curved" does is make it virtually impossible for left-handers to filter out a list of what's actually left-handed friendly, which is the whole point of the "ambidextrous " label in the first place...
I believe the labeling is precise and correct—not everyone using a mouse actually wants or requires side buttons, and in that sense, a mouse labeled as such is described correctly. The alternative terminology, i.e. calling "right-handed" ambidextrous mice "symmetrical," is misleading in that it suggests side buttons on both sides, due to a rather selective understanding of axis-symmetry. Hence, I reserve the term "symmetrical" for ambidextrous mice with side buttons on both sides. I've also seen the term "semi-ambidextrous," which I don't find convincing for multiple reasons, either. In short, between multiple less-than-ideal terms, I consider the current one the best still.
 
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I believe the labeling is precise and correct—not everyone using a mouse actually wants or requires side buttons, and in that sense, a mouse labeled as such is described correctly. The alternative terminology, i.e. calling "right-handed" ambidextrous mice "symmetrical," is misleading in that it suggests side buttons on both sides, due to a rather selective understanding of axis-symmetry. Hence, I reserve the term "symmetrical" for ambidextrous mice with side buttons on both sides. I've also seen the term "semi-ambidextrous," which I don't find convincing for multiple reasons, either. In short, between multiple less-than-ideal terms, I consider the current one the best still.
I'm not being funny, but the kind of people who don't want side buttons wouldn't pay $90 for a mouse whose primary sales pitch is that it has extra side buttons, they'd buy a $10-$50 one that doesn't, so it's a different target market there and I seriously doubt anyone would be that confused... The term Ambidextrous literally means "Ambidexterity is the ability to use both the right and left hand equally well. When referring to objects, the term indicates that the object is equally suitable for right-handed and left-handed people" and these right-handed-people-only thumb buttons clearly aren't, so no it isn't being described correctly, symmetrical curve or not. If neither term is adequate then maybe using a 3rd-term "Left Handed Friendly" or whatever is needed as right now "Ambidextrous mouse = usable by left-handers" has literally lost all meaning and relevance as a purchasing / review filter for left-handed people to be able to actually use the mouse they're buying without it only half working. And it's not right-handed people that search for "ambidextrous mice", it's obviously a term for using it in the left-hand equally well as the right. literally what the word means.
 

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I'm not being funny, but the kind of people who don't want side buttons wouldn't pay $90 for a mouse whose primary sales pitch is that it has extra side buttons, they'd buy a $10-$50 one that doesn't, so it's a different target market there and I seriously doubt anyone would be that confused... The term Ambidextrous literally means "Ambidexterity is the ability to use both the right and left hand equally well. When referring to objects, the term indicates that the object is equally suitable for right-handed and left-handed people" and these right-handed-people-only thumb buttons clearly aren't, so no it isn't being described correctly, symmetrical curve or not. If neither term is adequate then maybe using a 3rd-term "Left Handed Friendly" or whatever is needed as right now "Ambidextrous mouse = usable by left-handers" has literally lost all meaning and relevance as a purchasing / review filter for left-handed people to be able to actually use the mouse they're buying without it only half working. And it's not right-handed people that search for "ambidextrous mice", it's obviously a term for using it in the left-hand equally well as the right. literally what the word means.
The same source you're citing also says:
designed to be used both by people who are left-handed (= using the left hand to write and do most things) and those who are right-handed (= using the right hand most)
And when looking at everyday usage of the term ambidextrous, the qualifier "equally well" is often dropped:


Note how few of these mice have side buttons on the right side. Generally, the idea is to distinguish right-handed ergonomic mice from those that aren't, and "ambidextrous" is the most sensible term for that, as right-handed ergonomic mice cannot in any way be used by left-handed people.

If you're specifically looking for "actually" left-handed mice, whenever the (side buttons on the left side only) qualifier is missing, it'll be a fully ambidextrous (symmetrical) design.

Come to think of it, would you say that "Partially (side buttons on the left side only)" would be a better description than the current "Yes (side buttons on the left side only)"?
 
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Come to think of it, would you say that "Partially (side buttons on the left side only)" would be a better description than the current "Yes (side buttons on the left side only)"?
It would be an improvement. The main thing you need is something that lets people search / filter for reviews based on left-hand usability. Eg, clicking "Reviews" then selecting Category "Mice", it would be nice if there was an option that filters by Full / Partial / No ambidexterity, but there isn't. So the next best thing is to either read the heading of each mouse review for which some mice reviews include "The 63g, right-handed ergonomic VT3Pro Max comes with..." but only a small fraction of TPU reviews even mention "handed-ness" in the summary. So you're left with either clicking on every mouse review, one by one, looking to see if it's labelled "Ambidextrous" then researching further to see if "Ambidextrous" means it's "Actually usable by a left-handed person", or you're left resorting to using external search engines, eg, Google, which do nothing but present an endless "Oh yes, this is ambidextrous" of mice that really aren't...

For background as to why I raised the subject - I've edited several hundred entries for PCGamingWiki, and I also work with deaf / hard-of-hearing people in real life. I am "big" on Accessibility and so I pay particular attention to getting subtitles, captions, etc, as accurate as I can because I know that people who search for them do so because they want to know if they can play a game or not, not just are interested in filtering based on subtitles purely for the sake of it. Accessibility matters most to people who need it, technical labels matter far less if they're not accurate to those who need it. A good example is the game The Witness, it has subtitles but we made sure to put at the top "Colorblind and hearing-impaired players may have trouble playing the game in full" because that's ultimately what's most important - whether people can play it or not beyond having a technical "subtitle" tag.

Same is true of mice. Most right-handed people don't search for "Ambidextrous" mice because they don't need to when 99% of the market is designed around them. If they want curved vs straight feel - well that's "symmetrical". It's left-handed people that search for it and do so for a reason - we need to know that can use the extra buttons we're paying for, as we're not going to intentionally seek out mice with extra buttons then spend $90-$150 on something we can't properly use due to mis-advertised accessibility labelling vs just buying a regular 3-button mouse for a fraction of the money. I hope this clears up what we're asking for - not arguing over a label for the sake of it, but having some practical way of filtering what we can actually use in a meaningful 'equal' sense.
 

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I've changed it to "partially" for the time being; maybe I'll think of a better way to present this kind of information in the future. Adding an additional line (left-handed: yes/no) may be sensible, too. If you have any suggestions, please let me know.
 
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