AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

[HairyLobsters]

With a smaller manufacturing process, why aren't processors getting more power efficient?

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

Still can't believe how far down the gaming performance chart the new Intel 285K is. It's shocking

What is really shocking that the media and followers arent trashing that POS as loud as they did when AMD released Zen 5.

Here is a more accurate version:

@W1zzard Question, what do you do for the virtualization test?

One thing that I wished that TPU offered, an interactive bench explorer, like how it was at Anandtech (RIP).

That way I could compare new CPU reviews with older ones without having to find old and compare with new.

 

[Imsochobo]

With a smaller manufacturing process, why aren't processors getting more power efficient?

People want performance to some extent.

it does usually more work at less power, if you decrease by 200 MHZ you will get marginal perf loss at substantial power drop.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

I just viewed LTT review.

With RTX4090, RT off at 1440p and ultra preset, the comparison of the 3 AMD 3D CPUs looked like this:



And this is the most powerful GPU available with RT off.

What is all the ruckus about??? At realistic settings, CPUs almost do not matter today, and with lower tier GPUs they do not matter at all.

 

[jayjr1105]

With a smaller manufacturing process, why aren't processors getting more power efficient?

People had a hissy fit when AMD favored efficiency when 9000 series first released, now they are performance power houses and people complaining it uses too much power (still less than half the power consumption as the competition). You can never please some people.

 

[ThomasK]

I just viewed LTT review.

With RTX4090, RT off at 1440p and ultra preset, the comparison of the 3 AMD 3D CPUs looked like this:

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And this is the most powerful GPU available with RT off.

What is all the ruckus about??? At realistic settings, CPUs almost do not matter today, and with lower tier GPUs they do not matter at all.

Really?

LTT makes content for clowns and people with the sense of humor of a 12 year-old.

You could've quoted a graph from TPU.

Next.

 

[Franzen4Real]

@W1zzard, could you do a follow-up with 7800X3D vs 9800X3D at the same power limit?

right?! As amazing as the 9800X3D is (and it is!) this review also shows us just how awesome the 7800X3D still is at much lower power draw. I'd love to see this follow up as well!

If you haven't got a 7800X3D, get it! If you have, be content at having the 2nd best gaming CPU.

Actually I like to think of this situation as AMD having two #1 CPUs

For those interested in SFF gaming, the 7800X3D is unique in the flexibility it offers with cases and coolers due to such a low power draw. With some of the newer cases on the market having the adjustable spine to allow a bigger GPU/small CPU cooler, or, smaller GPU/bigger CPU cooler, the 7800X3D pretty much eliminates this compromise and allows you to choose the large GPU option since you can easily run that CPU with low profile coolers. And then for those interested in the more conventional desktop arrangement, the 9800X3D offers the all out performance crown.

 

[wheresmycar]

No EOL for 7800X3D https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/pr...nd-would-expect-it-in-the-market-for-a-while/

Going fwd, more options, the better!

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Really? LTT makes content for clowns and people with the sense of humor of a 12 year-old. You could've quoted a graph from TPU.

Like this one?



Funnily enough, the "clown show" screenshot contains more information, it lists game settings.

 

[mkppo]

Like this one?

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Funny enough, the "clown show" screenshot contains more information, it lists game settings.

Differences between CPU's mostly show in simulation and strategy games even at higher resolutions where 9800x3d can be anywhere between 25-50% faster than Intel or 10-20% faster than the 7800X3D. Keep in mind that these people need CPU performance the most as the increased performance actually allows smooth gameplay in many instances.

If you're looking for high resolution differences in most other games, it's not going to be there. TPU's review only has Baldur's gate 3 where there's a few % difference at 4k but other reviews covered a few of the games where there are big differences (eg. Homeworld 3, Asseto Corsa etc). A 5090 will shift the bottleneck towards the CPU a bit more so you should be able to see more gains for the 9800X3D after it launches.

 

[Makaveli]

I just viewed LTT review.

With RTX4090, RT off at 1440p and ultra preset, the comparison of the 3 AMD 3D CPUs looked like this:

View attachment 370707

And this is the most powerful GPU available with RT off.

What is all the ruckus about??? At realistic settings, CPUs almost do not matter today, and with lower tier GPUs they do not matter at all.

For people that play games but also use their machines for other things the ST difference in speed will be felt between a 5800X3D vs a 9800X3D.

Tunnel vision my friend people do more than just play games on PC.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Differences between CPU's mostly show in simulation and strategy games even at higher resolutions where 9800x3d can be anywhere between 25-50% faster than Intel or 10-20% faster than the 7800X3D. Keep in mind that these people need CPU performance the most as the increased performance actually allows smooth gameplay in many instances.

If you're looking for high resolution differences in most other games, it's not going to be there. TPU's review only has Baldur's gate 3 where there's a few % difference at 4k but other reviews covered a few of the games where there are big differences (eg. Homeworld 3, Asseto Corsa etc). A 5090 will shift the bottleneck towards the CPU a bit more so you should be able to see more gains for the 9800X3D after it launches.

Yes, there are games which show higher influence of the CPUs even at higher resolutions and settings, but these tests are still on RTX4090. How many % of people on the planet who own discrete graphic cards for gaming have such GPUs?

For people that play games but also use their machines for other things the ST difference in speed will be felt between a 5800X3D vs a 9800X3D.

Tunnel vision my friend people do more than just play games on PC.

Sure, but this is a damn expensive 8 core CPU! If you are looking to do other things on a PC, you may as well be looking at more powerful CPUs. I bet a lot of people are waiting for 9900x3d and 9950x3d. I wonder why AMD did not do a presentation with performance of all these CPUs so that people can decide which one to get.

 

[wheresmycar]

Like this one?

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Funnily enough, the "clown show" screenshot contains more information, it lists game settings.

Other than the 1% lows, all other settings are provided. Game quality setting "ultra" can be found in the first chart titled "relative perf". By default, DLSS/FSR/etc are disabled. games are benched at their native settings as it should be.

I would like to see 1% lows though (somewhat compensated with 720p charts) and if possible, GPU utilization would be useful too - eg:

 

[Xuper]

This result from Counter strike and Starfield ( 720p - 9800 vs 7800 ) is surprised. I guess this is due to Zen5 vs Zen4 , is memory controller worse than Zen 4?

 

[ThomasK]

Funnily enough

Bet you think it's funny listening to Linus yell on his videos. You are probably part of his target audience, late 2000's Gen-Z. Heard they LOVE to have the last word.

Bye.

 

[HouTex]

Like this one?

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Funnily enough, the "clown show" screenshot contains more information, it lists game settings.

I'd call the Cyberpunk results GPU bound.

 

[notanin]

Impressive results from AMD, congrats to them!

At the same time these results highlight that when you step away from the hype (well deserved to a degree) and focus on practical use, this CPU doesn’t make much sense, at least for me personally.
I might feel the itch to upgrade or tinker with my computer, but since I game at 4K, the performance boost over my 13700K just isn’t worth it. It seems better for anyone in a similar situation to simply save up for the 5090 instead.

 

[Tek-Check]

With a smaller manufacturing process, why aren't processors getting more power efficient?

They are, but overall efficiency depends on several factors and chosen configurations of perfornace curve vs. power.

 

[JustBenching]

Nitropath is mostly beneficial for 4 dimm boards though. Der8auer's video was pretty insightful as to what it actually is.

I should have one if I can snag a deal over the coming weeks.

Got mine, went yolo and bought 2 motherboard, the el cheapo asrock hdv as a backup in case the 4dimmer aorus elite is a stinker.

It will matter in Stellaris (5s faster than the in the GN bench, > 10s faster in the LTT bench) that means it will also make a difference in HoI4, EU4, CK3, Victoria3 and the other Paradox grand strategy games.

It will matter in Civ 6 turn time so will probably matter in Civ 7 turn time next year.

It matters in sim racing games like ACC, iRacing.

It matters in ARPGS like Path of Exile, Diablo 4, Last Epoch.

It matters in flight sims like MSFS

It matters in MMOs like WOW.

It matters in RTS games like Starcraft 2.

It matters in Factory games like Factorio, Satisfactory etc

The bottom line is that CPU reviews are utter shit for gaming because it is a lot of the same kinds of games with very little actual variety in game types or game engines.

If CPU reviews actually tested a wider variety of games (games that are incredibly popular going by steam charts) then a lot of this 'CPU does not matter at 4K' nonsense would die because it absolutely does for a large number of games. Sure for the latest AAA titles it may not matter but that is only 1 section of the market.

Don't think it's going to beat a 14900k in factorio 50k maps. It has a huge lead there.

 

[Tek-Check]

I just viewed LTT review.

With RTX4090, RT off at 1440p and ultra preset, the comparison of the 3 AMD 3D CPUs looked like this:

View attachment 370707

And this is the most powerful GPU available with RT off.

What is all the ruckus about??? At realistic settings, CPUs almost do not matter today, and with lower tier GPUs they do not matter at all.

- no, that's another post spreading misinformation
- look at the settings in LTT graph. It's Ultra preset, which means that GPU works harder, and CPU cannot contribute as much to frame rates
- reviewers often don't have enough time and/or can't be arsed to put more effort into showing us anything beyond Ultra
- testing in Ultra preset is the most common, but very dull, as it does not tell you what CPU can do in different settings
- if you reduce settings to High or Medium, you will suddently discover the whole new world of possibilities with better CPUs
- see my post #247 for examples and further explanations

1. all you need to know is what CPU can do in 1080p, when GPU contributes less and CPU can stretch its legs in framerates
2. once you know 1080p performance, ask yourself how many frames you need in higher resolutions to feel comfortable in games, 30, 60, 120, etc
3. lastly, change settings to High or Medium if you need more frames than CPU and GPU can give you in Ultra. This is where 'CPU magic' starts

- all nicely explained in the video below. It's really educational and informative

 

[JustBenching]

- no, that's another post spreading misinformation
- look at the settings in LTT graph. It's Ultra preset, which means that GPU works harder, and CPU cannot contribute as much to frame rates
- reviewers often don't have enough time and/or can't be arsed to put more effort into showing us anything beyond Ultra
- testing in Ultra preset is the most common, but very dull, as it does not tell you what CPU can do in different settings
- if you reduce settings to High or Medium, you will suddently discover the whole new world of possibilities with better CPUs
- see my post #247 for examples and further explanations

1. all you need to know is what CPU can do in 1080p, when GPU contributes less and CPU can stretch its legs in framerates
2. once you know 1080p performance, ask yourself how many frames you need in higher resolutions to feel comfortable in games, 30, 60, 120, etc
3. lastly, change settings to High or Medium if you need more frames than CPU and GPU can give you in Ultra. This is where 'CPU magic' starts

- all nicely explained in the video below. It's really educational and informative

To be clear, so I don't get personal attacks for being "an intel fanboy", I just started myself a whole new PC with a 9800x 3d.

Now with that said, anything above a 12600k or a zen 3 is absolutely good for games and you won't get much benefit going to the 9800x 3d, period. Being a tech enthusiast is one thing, and that's fine, but pretending like youll get actual tangible benefits is just trying to fool yourself. Anything that's unplayable (heavily modded cyberpunk) will remain unplayable, cause the drops to 40 fps on my 12900k might translate to 50 on my 9800x 3d - big whoop. It's still crap.

 

[Tek-Check]

Sure, but this is a damn expensive 8 core CPU! If you are looking to do other things on a PC, you may as well be looking at more powerful CPUs. I bet a lot of people are waiting for 9900x3d and 9950x3d. I wonder why AMD did not do a presentation with performance of all these CPUs so that people can decide which one to get.

- not necessary. We know what to expect from higher core count X3D CPUs
- expect productivity performance similar to 9900X and 9950X, with much better gaming

To be clear, so I don't get personal attacks for being "an intel fanboy", I just started myself a whole new PC with a 9800x 3d.
Now with that said, anything above a 12600k or a zen 3 is absolutely good for games and you won't get much benefit going to the 9800x 3d, period. Being a tech enthusiast is one thing, and that's fine, but pretending like youll get actual tangible benefits is just trying to fool yourself. Anything that's unplayable (heavily modded cyberpunk) will remain unplayable, cause the drops to 40 fps on my 12900k might translate to 50 on my 9800x 3d - big whoop. It's still crap.

- it'd be great if you read again what I wrote above and in the post #247
- I mentioned that all you care about is how many frames you need to feel comfortable and at which settings, in titles you enjoy playing. That's how you pair CPU and GPU.
- I am ok with 40-45 fps in 4K Flight Simulator in steady and slow flights
- however, 45 fps becomes unplayable when you use fighter jets in fast action
- as FS hugely benefits 3D V-cache, adjusting settings could boost frame rate significantly
- the most obvious benefit is lack of stuttering and smooth fast flight
- 9800X3D will do this job the best in this game; and you don't need 4090 for this either. That's why CPU matters.
- it is that simple

 

[chrcoluk]

Other than the 1% lows, all other settings are provided. Game quality setting "ultra" can be found in the first chart titled "relative perf". By default, DLSS/FSR/etc are disabled. games are benched at their native settings as it should be.

I would like to see 1% lows though (somewhat compensated with 720p charts) and if possible, GPU utilization would be useful too - eg:

I watched this and thought wow, they have done another 7800X3D as this video seems to show similar gains from 7800X3D as 7800X3D for from 5800X3D, but the TPU results look more tamed but still reasonably good.

If there was an AM5 board that I liked that also didnt cost an arm and a leg I think I would have been tempted, the motherboard situation is really annoying for me.

What is really shocking that the media and followers arent trashing that POS as loud as they did when AMD released Zen 5.

Here is a more accurate version:

@W1zzard Question, what do you do for the virtualization test?

One thing that I wished that TPU offered, an interactive bench explorer, like how it was at Anandtech (RIP).

That way I could compare new CPU reviews with older ones without having to find old and compare with new.

I mean your post clearly shows you a bit of a AMD fanboy, the media have to be professional and not show bias, thats why your attitude is different to theirs and they have failed to satisfy you.

I dont know why one would be celebrating AMD's success unless they an AMD shareholder, an AMD employee, or Intel has done something to personally aggrieve them, but many of us are just tech geeks and only care how good a product and its price is regardless of who made it.

 

[JustBenching]

If there was an AM5 board that I liked that also didnt cost an arm and a leg I think I would have been tempted, the motherboard situation is really annoying for me.

Yeah, am5 mobos are a sorry bunch, even those costing an arm and a leg. The gene isn't on stock anywhere anymore...

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

I mean your post clearly shows you a bit of a AMD fanboy

Thats not something that should bother you, yet here you are.

the media have to be professional and not show bias

Yet they did and if you say otherwise, then its a nice case of selective reading, because all over, the narrative was the same "Zen 5 is a flop" and similar responses.

thats why your attitude is different to theirs and they have failed to satisfy you.

I was not looking for any satisfaction, simply for fairness.

dont know why one would be celebrating AMD's success

Why not? Seems to be ok for other brands.

AMD shareholder

Very little shares in my possession, same for apple, google, ms and even ngreedia.

an AMD employee

I wouldnt mind, given that I am not currently working.

Intel has done something to personally aggrieve them

They did, to me and many others when they kept us in 4 core hell for a decade and had no issues in engaging in illegal actions that affected our pockets and lined up theirs.

but many of us are just tech geeks and only care how good a product and its price is regardless of who made it.

Nice case of selective reading, selective outrage and whatever else you want to add in there that its favorable to your narrative.