AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Stocks Vaporized in Retail, Being Scalped

[erocker]

Tariffs are coming. Expect this for years in the US.

 

[Space Lynx]

As soon as 9800x3d is plenty then the 7800x3d will be going as low as 300 usd again and I believe this will happen in January.

Me just chilling with my brand new $196 7800x3d

 

[rv8000]

-for gaming I agree there's more to the upgrade. But in raw gaming perf, that's what it offers.

Not exclusively, no. There are actually larger generation jumps in productivity workloads thanks to cache relocation, decrease in temps, breathing room for core on temps (less voltage/frequency limitations), and the general arch improvements from zen 4 to zen 5. The fact this improves on gaming performance, while massively improving the productivity performance vs the 7800X3D (making it a wash between the 9700X) is what makes this a significantly better jump generation to generation.

While there isn’t a huge benefit going from 7800X3D to 9800X3D, the 9800X3D is a way better processor than the 7800X3D

 

[Vayra86]

Not exclusively, no. There are actually larger generation jumps in productivity workloads thanks to cache relocation, decrease in temps, breathing room for core on temps (less voltage/frequency limitations), and the general arch improvements from zen 4 to zen 5. The fact this improves on gaming performance, while massively improving the productivity performance vs the 7800X3D (making it a wash between the 9700X) is what makes this a significantly better jump generation to generation.

While there isn’t a huge benefit going from 7800X3D to 9800X3D, the 9800X3D is a way better processor than the 7800X3D

Its just a real shame it gets there using so much more juice, for gaming its exclusively the additional clock that makes the difference. I doubt the other changes had any influence on those results, they tend to match quite nicely with the frequency difference.

Me just chilling with my brand new $196 7800x3d

That never gets old does it

Tariffs are coming. Expect this for years in the US.

Yep also if you're in EU and want to upgrade or build a rig, do it fast lol.

As soon as 9800x3d is plenty then the 7800x3d will be going as low as 300 usd again and I believe this will happen in January.

Likely, january is always a pretty good month to be buying hardware too. Christmas frenzy over, stuff left behind, people ain't buying.

 

[tpuuser256]

Who didn't see this coming?
Sold out in Europe
£700 ($900) on Ebay here in the UK

Ignore them. Take a look at compumsa.eu, their 9800x3d are pretty much 480+tax
It's still 580 euros, which is not interesting

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I saw it with playstation and graphic cards.

I was so desperate when i bought in Summer 2022?

Because with both items, there was a genuine shortage in the global supply chain which was made a lot worse when the world went into forced lockdown. There wasnt another legitimate way to get what you wanted without paying out of your arse for it by going with scalpers.

These days you cant buy up all the stock of PS5s and 9800X3Ds and start selling them at a 500% mark up. You wont make back the money you invested.

Bought up all the PS5s?? Cool, I'll go look for a PS4. Bought up all the 9800X3Ds? Cool, imma go find me a 7800X3D, 7950X3D, 7900X3D, 7700X etc etc and wait till the global supply chain sorts it shit out.

And if youre an individual or entity that has the financial backing or capital to buy up most of the supply chain then you really should be investigated.


Of course you'll always get the handful of people who will buy it no matter what the cost, But not everyone has tonnes of money to spare or is that dumb to blindly go along with it when other CPUs do what they want just fine.

 

[Avro Arrow]

The scalpers are screwing themselves in this situation because, while the R7-9800X3D is an incredible product, it's still overkill for pretty much any gaming situation that I can think of. Like, it will take years before it would have a noticeable impact on gaming even when compared to the R7-5800X3D for over 90% of gamers. Here are the main categories of gamers that have little need for an R7-9800X3D:

Competitive gamers playing competitive multiplayer games:

These games are not the least bit hardware-intensive and already have insane performance numbers even with something as old as an R5-2600X. I used pc-builds.com's performance calculator and paired the 2600x with an XTX. Here are the results:

Apex Legends = 273FPS
COD: Warzone = 315FPS
CS:GO = 1025FPS
Fortnite = 453FPS
League of Legends = 1170FPS
Overwatch = 404FPS
PUBG = 259FPS
Rocket League = 646FPS

Even gamers with ultra-fast 240Hz displays would be unaffected by a CPU upgrade.


Mid-to-low-resolution gamers playing AAA single-player titles:

This is another huge category of gamers and, while this is certainly more CPU-intensive, most games still work just fine with an R5-3600X or better.


High-resolution gamers:

I am personally in this category and I use an R7-5800X3D coupled with an RX 7900 XTX. Upgrading my CPU (well, my whole platform TBH) would have absolutely no effect on gaming performance for me because at both 1440p and 2160p I'm limited by my XTX. The same would be true for ANYONE using a CPU no older than an Ryzen 3000-series.

Those three categories (either exclusively or any mix of the two) comprise way more than 90% of gamers on Earth.

Therefore, only fools with money to burn would be willing to pay scalper prices on an R7-9800X3D because literally ANYONE else would be perfectly comfortable waiting for more to be available. Scalpers will end up losing their shirts because of this and I for one will be more than happy to sit back and watch the Schitt's show unfold. Unlike during the mining crazes, scalpers have ZERO leverage here because, while there's no question that the R7-9800X3D is a marvellous processor, but it's not like there aren't 1,001 alternatives that would be just as good in modern games available on both the new and used market. I build and sell budget gaming PCs (console fighters) and so I've done a good amount of research surrounding this topic. For the vast majority of gamers (those who play with a 1080p60Hz monitor), a Ryzen 5 5600 coupled with an RX 5700 XT or RTX 2070 is pretty much all you need for a fantastic gaming experience at 1080p.

Hell, using Hardware Unboxed's performance optimisation settings, a PC with an R5-5600, RX 5700 XT and 32GB of DDR4-3600 CL18 can achieve 70FPS in Black myth: Wukong's downloadable benchmark. I have personally done this and have taken screenshots to keep as records. I do this because I'm not one to mislead my customers. Any claim about the performance of one of my PCs is backed up with images of every performance test result. I'm at my day job right now and don't have access to these images but if anyone wants to see it, I'll post it when I get home tonight (usually around 9:30pm EST). Also keep in mind that this game is totally limited by the RX 5700 XT because, just for fun, I ran the same benchmark with the same settings on my RX 6800 XT and RX 7900 XTX with massive FPS gains (IIRC, well over 100FPS).

If a lowly R5-5600 can do over 100FPS in Black Myth: Wukong, there's nobody who is in dire need of an R7-9800X3D, or at least, not dire enough to be willing to pay scalper-level pricing for it. The only people who would buy this from scalpers are probably the same people who had no problem paying $2300USD for an RTX 4090 (aka "More money than brains").

These scalpers are even more screwed than those who tried to scalp the RTX 4080 and I'm loving it!



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"or even go Intel with the i9-14900K."

Who says that Mods and Admins don't have a sense of humour?

(For some reason, the system wouldn't let me actually quote the original post.)

PC gaming isn't an emergency. People willing to pay 600$/€ this CPU need help.

[P.S. It's not a negative comment about the CPU.]

AGREED!

Lol at any idiot who would pay a scalper for this. The CPUs are already overpriced at MSRP (yes I know it's hard to put a price limit on "the best" but still).

I saw them in stock yesterday morning could have clicked buy didn't even care not paying $480 for a CPU. It actually seems 7800X3D is the better buy, only about 5% slower and draws about 2/3 the power consumption. AMD went a bit nuts with the voltage curves of these new ones even with Curve Optimizer at -20 it seems.

And it would take literally years before the gaming performance difference made ANY difference to anyone's gaming experience.

Wouldn't be surprised if Intel are the scalpers.

Well, they are getting pretty desperate and I wouldn't put it past them. Having said that, I really doubt it because they'd literally be handing over a tonne of $$$ to AMD.

I would absolutely buy the 9800x3d. It's something €80 more here, and it's already a very expensive CPU so I would absolutely spend the extra money on it.

Why?

The 5800X3D is easily enough for any game on the market today and the 7800X3D is just straight overkill for any game on the market so just what advantage would you be paying that extra money for?

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Nice, aren't humans fantastic. Good luck buying one.

 

[Frick]

Why?

The 5800X3D is easily enough for any game on the market today and the 7800X3D is just straight overkill for any game on the market so just what advantage would you be paying that extra money for?

If I'm spending that kind of money (platform upgrade) I might as well spend that extra. Also, that's not exactly true. The 9800X3D will be faster in sim games, plus it's significantly faster in what w1z calls Applications:

There's also this. Simulation time isn't that interesting (to me), but it is an indication of very good performance in sim games. Personally I'm much more interested in the 9600x, which is also good at that kind of thing... Not to mention the upcoming 9600X3D.

 

[Avro Arrow]

If I'm spending that kind of money (platform upgrade) I might as well spend that extra. Also, that's not exactly true. The 9800X3D will be faster in sim games, plus it's significantly faster in what w1z calls Applications:

There's also this. Simulation time isn't that interesting (to me), but it is an indication of very good performance in sim games. Personally I'm much more interested in the 9600x, which is also good at that kind of thing... Not to mention the upcoming 9600X3D.

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Ok, so how does that invalidate what I said? I said that for over 90% of gamers, there would be no impact and your post doesn't change that. Also, for applications, the 9800X3D is outclassed by many other CPUs so for people whose priority is non-gaming applications, the 9800X3D wouldn't even be on their radar in the first place.

 

[Frick]

Ok, so how does that invalidate what I said? I said that for over 90% of gamers, there would be no impact and your post doesn't change that. Also, for applications, the 9800X3D is outclassed by many other CPUs so for people whose priority is non-gaming applications, the 9800X3D wouldn't even be on their radar in the first place.

"The 5800X3D is easily enough for any game on the market today and the 7800X3D is just straight overkill for any game on the market"

 

[yfn_ratchet]

So that kind of business is still around... well, that's usually how it goes when something in tech actually gets a positive reception. Slimy bastards buy everything up and mark it up by 30, 50, 100% to make a quick buck. As with any horrifically unethical and reprehensible business practice, the best option for the individual is to just not pay into it. As with the toilet paper, hand sanitizer, and cleaning wipe debts of old, the repurcussions of this hit and hit hard when faced with a patient buyer. Just sit on your wallet and let these guys deal with their own lack of rent money come next month.

 

[Hankieroseman]

So, by the time I can actually get a 9800X3D the 16 Core 9950X3D will be out.

 

[kapone32]

I remember a time when 10% improvement was considered spectacular. I guess no one remembers that Intel would sometime release 2 CPUs a year and though the performance improvement was 2-5% people were still willing to pay for a new MB. Now we have this chip and though for some of us it is literally a CPU upgrade we are lamenting performance improvements. It is not like you can OC a 7800X3D to match that performance. This is TPU though and we are all enthusiasts that seemed to have been spoiled by the CPU Wars.

 

[A&P211]

Why i'm not surprised and AMD didn't add a 1 limit purchase on their store?

Off Amd have 1 limit purchase but yeah is already out of stock.

I doubt the same scalper got multiple cpus than.

they do have a 1 limit

 

[kapone32]

they do have a 1 limit
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The success of these chips can be laid at the feet of the latest Intel release. If you don't own AMD stock I would buy some before the next quarter ends. Just imagine when AMD releases an APU equipped with V cache.

 

[3DVCash]

Haha, wow! Is this the first time a CPU has been scalped like this?!

Pleeeease don't give these clowns your money. I've never bought from scalper and never will.

 

[kapone32]

Haha, wow! Is this the first time a CPU has been scalped like this?!

Pleeeease don't give these clowns your money. I've never bought from scalper and never will.

The 3300X was scalped pretty badly too. It took like 4 months before I could buy one and a week later they were out of stock again.

 

[A&P211]

The success of these chips can be laid at the feet of the latest Intel release. If you don't own AMD stock I would buy some before the next quarter ends. Just imagine when AMD releases an APU equipped with V cache.

AMD doesn't make alot of money from the consumer side. i'll keep with the amd stock i have now wont add more.

Haha, wow! Is this the first time a CPU has been scalped like this?!

Pleeeease don't give these clowns your money. I've never bought from scalper and never will.

I was able to scalp a few 3900x on reddit for a few days. It added money to the retirement fund. The 3900x and 3950x where scalped pretty good.

 

[kapone32]

AMD doesn't make alot of money from the consumer side. i'll keep with the amd stock i have now wont add more.

You do realize that another generation of APUs will be released in 2025. That will drive the price of the Ally and all other handhelds down and that will increase sales. Imagine an Ally for $400 Canadian. The future is bright for AMD CPUs. Don't forget that they are making Waves in Enterprise too. Even Radeon is gaining traction in Enterprise. It is even low right now too. By next week it will go back up with the release of the 9800X3D and it's retail success.

 

[GreiverBlade]

i hate scalpers ... i really do ...


on the other hand, given the reviews ... here GN and JTC ... i think my 5800X3D achieved legendary status ... tho the 5700X3D tops it ... the fact that i paid it 215chf when the 5700X3D was priced ... 300chf (now it's sub 200chf ) still make me feel good about it

 

[Midiamp]

Lucky I stopped posting my rig's benchmark numbers online so many years ago. My 12th gen Intel + 3070 still able to crank up 60fps on my ultrawide 1080p monitor, so that's enough. I might upgrade to 7800x3D maybe since my eye sight is getting worse so I'm planning to buy a bigger monitor which means 1440p, but it really depends on the games I play... Which are not many, and I gravitates to indie games now, so yeah, scalp away and let the people who chase fake internet points gets their fun.

 

[15th Warlock]

Guess I got lucky, this was at my porch when I came back from work today:

Haven't been so excited about a CPU in years... I'll try and get my system setup tomorrow.

Hope the stock situation gets better soon, don't pay scalper prices!

 

[phanbuey]

Haha, wow! Is this the first time a CPU has been scalped like this?!

Pleeeease don't give these clowns your money. I've never bought from scalper and never will.

There was a 8 month long scalp on Zen3 when it came out during the chipocalypse -- ended up buying a $300 10850K instead after watching the 5800x sit at $550-$600 for 6 months. My friend gave in and bought the 5950x at an eye-watering $1100....

 

[A&P211]

You do realize that another generation of APUs will be released in 2025. That will drive the price of the Ally and all other handhelds down and that will increase sales. Imagine an Ally for $400 Canadian. The future is bright for AMD CPUs. Don't forget that they are making Waves in Enterprise too. Even Radeon is gaining traction in Enterprise. It is even low right now too. By next week it will go back up with the release of the 9800X3D and it's retail success.

Doesnt matter, consumer side still doesnt make alot of money for AMD. I understand that their Enterprise sales are increasing but the consumer side still deosnt make alot. The US economy is slowing down, that will slow down sales.

The Alley and every other handheld are still niche products. I have an Alley, some of my coworkers have an handheld, they tell me they rarely use it. Last time I use the Alley was months ago, I use my work laptop more, I use the laptop's 780m at work more than the Alley when I have down time at work. Why have another device in my work bag when this laptop can function for both. My son uses the Alley more than me but only on car rides, at home, he has a desktop.