Throttlestop overclocking Desktop PCs

[sk111]

End of the day my t5810 is the most unbreakable thing I've ever owned. So much custom poking around on that. And bricked it probably 2 dozen times with failed bios mod attempts. Unkillable

Agreed super sturdy. I own a couple myself as the prices are super low now. One for main 2699v3 with the turbo unlocked, one with the 1660v3 which I upgraded from the 1650v3 which was similarly oc to 4.3 for gaming.

End of the day my t5810 is the most unbreakable thing I've ever owned. So much custom poking around on that. And bricked it probably 2 dozen times with failed bios mod attempts. Unkillable


Oh one thing you can do with scewin that I liked alot was I enabled overclocking. Didn't have to do sleep resume anymore after that

Can you share some screenshot of what you changed if you still have?

 

[frankr2994]

Agreed super sturdy. I own a couple myself as the prices are super low now. One for main 2699v3 with the turbo unlocked, one with the 1660v3 which I upgraded from the 1650v3 which was similarly oc to 4.3 for gaming.


Can you share some screenshot of what you changed if you still have?

I think I still have the old files. I'll poke around tonight when I'm on the PC.

I know the big ones were overclock lock off, current config manual, current limitation 2048 and I set my 2133 mhz memory to 2400

I still have my kid setup with a t5810 and a 1650v3 overclocked. My scewin options should still be saved on that as well.

 

[sk111]

I think I still have the old files. I'll poke around tonight when I'm on the PC.

I know the big ones were overclock lock off, current config manual, current limitation 2048 and I set my 2133 mhz memory to 2400

That would be amazing if you find it. I have 2400 ram running at 2133 so if you find the mod to ran it at 2400 as it should be top as well.

 

[sk111]

That would be amazing if you find it. I have 2400 ram running at 2133 so if you find the mod to ran it at 2400 as it should be top as well.

Hi were you able to check? any luck on this?

 

[frankr2994]

Hi were you able to check? any luck on this?

My bad. Sorry. I got wrapped up in trying to mod the bios on my gigabyte board and completely forgot. I'll send it to you tonight.

 

[Retrorockit]

I'm seriously impressed with the BIOS Mods. and overclock unlocking.
But I am curious at what results Throttlestop, or Intel XTU produced, and how they compared.
Did the chip set modding allow overclocking on the locked 2 CPU systems? I'm just trying to figure out what is actually needed for this, and when the more advanced stuff actually helps.
Which were the software multiplier method, and which were bus speed overclocking? A lot of different methods, and a lot of different CPUs going on here.
Does the T5810 overclock with just an unlocked Xeon, and software? How far does that get you with cooling mods? Then what's possible beyond that?

 

[sk111]

completely

Thanks that would be awesome. In the meantime I found an option of maximise voltage in the bios and modded that in for testing. So in testing a 1650v3 I pushed to 4.7 Ghz with high voltage offset I think it was hitting 1.36 volts

Thanks that would be awesome. In the meantime I found an option of maximise voltage in the bios and modded that in for testing. So in testing a 1650v3 I pushed to 4.7 Ghz with high voltage offset I think it was hitting 1.36 volts

But the board can take more. I took it with offset 1.46 v at 4.8 Ghz but was crushing on the test due to temps etc so I dialled down

 

[frankr2994]

Thanks that would be awesome. In the meantime I found an option of maximise voltage in the bios and modded that in for testing. So in testing a 1650v3 I pushed to 4.7 Ghz with high voltage offset I think it was hitting 1.36 volts


But the board can take more. I took it with offset 1.46 v at 4.8 Ghz but was crushing on the test due to temps etc so I dialled down

So this is what your scewin import script should look like to adjust the memory. You'll need your own hiicrc number. That changes on every boot. But you need these exact setup questions. Set to manual and 2400.

// Script File Name : BIOSSettings.txt
// Created on 01/19/24 at 17:42:24
// Copyright (c)2018 American Megatrends, Inc.
// AMISCE Utility. Ver 5.03.1115


HIICrc32= FFB96617

Setup Question = DIMM profile
Token =BBC // Do NOT change this line
Offset =10D2
Width =01
BIOS Default =[00]Disabled
Options =[00]Disabled // Move "*" to the desired Option
*[01]MANUAL

Setup Question = Memory Frequency
Token =BBD // Do NOT change this line
Offset =10E3
Width =01
BIOS Default =[00]Auto
Options =[00]Auto // Move "*" to the desired Option
[01]800
[02]1000
[03]1067
[04]1200
[05]1333
[06]1400
[07]1600
[08]1800
[09]1867
[0A]2000
[0B]2133
[0C]2200
*[0D]2400
[0E]2600
[0F]2667
[10]2800
[11]2933
[12]3000
[13]3200

I'm seriously impressed with the BIOS Mods. and overclock unlocking.
But I am curious at what results Throttlestop, or Intel XTU produced, and how they compared.
Did the chip set modding allow overclocking on the locked 2 CPU systems? I'm just trying to figure out what is actually needed for this, and when the more advanced stuff actually helps.
Which were the software multiplier method, and which were bus speed overclocking? A lot of different methods, and a lot of different CPUs going on here.
Does the T5810 overclock with just an unlocked Xeon, and software? How far does that get you with cooling mods? Then what's possible beyond that?

Ts vs xtu. Only reason I went to xtu at one point is because ts broke for me after a certain amount of bios modding and xtu didn't. I very much liked the added flexibility and information on TS though.

End result overclocked between the 2 didn't change

Bios vs software..hmm my comparison is my 5810 vs my gigabyte x99 board with all the same components. I was able to go up on my 1680 from something like 4.5 to 4.8ghz but the only limit I was hitting on the Dell was the power supply 18 amp rail.

I'm sure when you are talking about a overclock competition you would get waaay more involved because there is a difference in 4.835ghz and 4.839ghz. id be willing to bet that's where software vs firmware overclocking makes the difference.

But hey sk111, let me know if you need help with scewin. Once you get a little confident with it you'll end up just playing lol. It literally has every programmed bios option written for the board. Problem is if all of those options were visible in the bios alot of them would only show after enabling another setting. Sometimes figuring out that option tree to get something to work is pretty difficult.

cooling solutions. That's a supermicro 4u cooler modified for the Dell hold down screws and shimmed to get the appropriate pressure spec. 92x35mm Dell case fan used as the CPU fan and I took the supermicro fan and made it an exhaust fan.

Did the chip set modding allow overclocking on the locked 2 CPU systems? I'm just trying to figure out what is actually needed for this, and when the more advanced stuff actually helps.

For dual CPUs the only thing you can do is bios mod. E5-26xxv3 only with deleting the microcode and then running the turbo hack bios mod. Runs or tries to run all core max turbo. Couple guys on Greenpc got it working with t7810s.

Soon I'll be trying an e5-2698v4 on my gigabyte board to see if peg/dmi gear ratios work. Multiplier is unlocked but the gear ratio setting is a bclk adjustment to 125mhz. It's what I'm currently using with my 1680v3 and I have found NOTHING on the Internet on it a 26xx CPU can use peg/dmi ratios

 

[sk111]

So this is what your scewin import script should look like to adjust the memory. You'll need your own hiicrc number. That changes on every boot. But you need these exact setup questions. Set to manual and 2400.

// Script File Name : BIOSSettings.txt
// Created on 01/19/24 at 17:42:24
// Copyright (c)2018 American Megatrends, Inc.
// AMISCE Utility. Ver 5.03.1115


HIICrc32= FFB96617

Setup Question = DIMM profile
Token =BBC // Do NOT change this line
Offset =10D2
Width =01
BIOS Default =[00]Disabled
Options =[00]Disabled // Move "*" to the desired Option
*[01]MANUAL

Setup Question = Memory Frequency
Token =BBD // Do NOT change this line
Offset =10E3
Width =01
BIOS Default =[00]Auto
Options =[00]Auto // Move "*" to the desired Option
[01]800
[02]1000
[03]1067
[04]1200
[05]1333
[06]1400
[07]1600
[08]1800
[09]1867
[0A]2000
[0B]2133
[0C]2200
*[0D]2400
[0E]2600
[0F]2667
[10]2800
[11]2933
[12]3000
[13]3200




Ts vs xtu. Only reason I went to xtu at one point is because ts broke for me after a certain amount of bios modding and xtu didn't. I very much liked the added flexibility and information on TS though.

End result overclocked between the 2 didn't change

Bios vs software..hmm my comparison is my 5810 vs my gigabyte x99 board with all the same components. I was able to go up on my 1680 from something like 4.5 to 4.8ghz but the only limit I was hitting on the Dell was the power supply 18 amp rail.

I'm sure when you are talking about a overclock competition you would get waaay more involved because there is a difference in 4.835ghz and 4.839ghz. id be willing to bet that's where software vs firmware overclocking makes the difference.

But hey sk111, let me know if you need help with scewin. Once you get a little confident with it you'll end up just playing lol. It literally has every programmed bios option written for the board. Problem is if all of those options were visible in the bios alot of them would only show after enabling another setting. Sometimes figuring out that option tree to get something to work is pretty difficult.

View attachment 371421cooling solutions. That's a supermicro 4u cooler modified for the Dell hold down screws and shimmed to get the appropriate pressure spec. 92x35mm Dell case fan used as the CPU fan and I took the supermicro fan and made it an exhaust fan.



For dual CPUs the only thing you can do is bios mod. E5-26xxv3 only with deleting the microcode and then running the turbo hack bios mod. Runs or tries to run all core max turbo. Couple guys on Greenpc got it working with t7810s.

Soon I'll be trying an e5-2698v4 on my gigabyte board to see if peg/dmi gear ratios work. Multiplier is unlocked but the gear ratio setting is a bclk adjustment to 125mhz. It's what I'm currently using with my 1680v3 and I have found NOTHING on the Internet on it a 26xx CPU can use peg/dmi ratios

Hey frankr2994 that is very useful. I will get scewin to experiment. If I get the ram higher would be super.
Nice cooling on the machine by the way. On mine I have the stock cooler and added an extra fan at the back like you do. Also have created some custom cooling on the vram using small heatsinks that stack to larger hitsinks as it is uneven to use large hitsinks directly on vram all glued with heat transfer glue. Does good job as the air from the exhaust fan cools them down.
For my other t5810 I modded the bios so I have it tbu on a 2699v3 with -70/-50 undervolt. Let me know if you need any help on that. I saw on Internet someone using bclk and tbu together pushing the 2696v3 to 4ghz. I am interested to see the outcome if you do that kind of thing. The only problem I see is that when you use the tbu under load all cores hit the tdp limit and downclock so you will need to disable cores to maintain speed. If you could push the cpu beyond the tdp limit potentially you could get higher speed but haven't seen someone attempting this.

 

[frankr2994]

Hey frankr2994 that is very useful. I will get scewin to experiment. If I get the ram higher would be super.
Nice cooling on the machine by the way. On mine I have the stock cooler and added an extra fan at the back like you do. Also have created some custom cooling on the vram using small heatsinks that stack to larger hitsinks as it is uneven to use large hitsinks directly on vram all glued with heat transfer glue. Does good job as the air from the exhaust fan cools them down.
For my other t5810 I modded the bios so I have it tbu on a 2699v3 with -70/-50 undervolt. Let me know if you need any help on that.

Are you talking about the vrm?
If so you can't see it but I took a mosfet sink from an old ibm server I had and modified it to spring pin down into my Dell board. Used a 1.5mm thermal pad to handle it not being flat

 

[sk111]

Are you talking about the vrm?
If so you can't see it but I took a mosfet sink from an old ibm server I had and modified it to spring pin down into my Dell board. Used a 1.5mm thermal pad to handle it not being flat

Yep vrm. Auto corrected to vram. OK did you have to remove the motherboard from the case to fit that in? I didn't want to remove the motherboard that's why I went that way.

 

[frankr2994]

Yep vrm. Auto corrected to vram. OK did you have to remove the motherboard from the case to fit that in? I didn't want to remove the motherboard that's why I went that way.

Nope, I used the spring pins from some old quadro card that I had so all I did was push the pins down through the holes in the motherboard I'm sure I have pictures of it. I'll look here in a bit

 

[sk111]

Nope, I used the spring pins from some old quadro card that I had so all I did was push the pins down through the holes in the motherboard I'm sure I have pictures of it. I'll look here in a bit

If you have a photo of the spring pins would be nice to see how they fit. I was thinking it would be easy to make 2 holes in an aluminium thick sheet and stick with thermal glue some good size hitsinks on the top but couldn't figure out how it would be supported unless I had to remove the board.

So this is what your scewin import script should look like to adjust the memory. You'll need your own hiicrc number. That changes on every boot. But you need these exact setup questions. Set to manual and 2400.

// Script File Name : BIOSSettings.txt
// Created on 01/19/24 at 17:42:24
// Copyright (c)2018 American Megatrends, Inc.
// AMISCE Utility. Ver 5.03.1115


HIICrc32= FFB96617

Setup Question = DIMM profile
Token =BBC // Do NOT change this line
Offset =10D2
Width =01
BIOS Default =[00]Disabled
Options =[00]Disabled // Move "*" to the desired Option
*[01]MANUAL

Setup Question = Memory Frequency
Token =BBD // Do NOT change this line
Offset =10E3
Width =01
BIOS Default =[00]Auto
Options =[00]Auto // Move "*" to the desired Option
[01]800
[02]1000
[03]1067
[04]1200
[05]1333
[06]1400
[07]1600
[08]1800
[09]1867
[0A]2000
[0B]2133
[0C]2200
*[0D]2400
[0E]2600
[0F]2667
[10]2800
[11]2933
[12]3000
[13]3200




Ts vs xtu. Only reason I went to xtu at one point is because ts broke for me after a certain amount of bios modding and xtu didn't. I very much liked the added flexibility and information on TS though.

End result overclocked between the 2 didn't change

Bios vs software..hmm my comparison is my 5810 vs my gigabyte x99 board with all the same components. I was able to go up on my 1680 from something like 4.5 to 4.8ghz but the only limit I was hitting on the Dell was the power supply 18 amp rail.

I'm sure when you are talking about a overclock competition you would get waaay more involved because there is a difference in 4.835ghz and 4.839ghz. id be willing to bet that's where software vs firmware overclocking makes the difference.

But hey sk111, let me know if you need help with scewin. Once you get a little confident with it you'll end up just playing lol. It literally has every programmed bios option written for the board. Problem is if all of those options were visible in the bios alot of them would only show after enabling another setting. Sometimes figuring out that option tree to get something to work is pretty difficult.

View attachment 371421cooling solutions. That's a supermicro 4u cooler modified for the Dell hold down screws and shimmed to get the appropriate pressure spec. 92x35mm Dell case fan used as the CPU fan and I took the supermicro fan and made it an exhaust fan.



For dual CPUs the only thing you can do is bios mod. E5-26xxv3 only with deleting the microcode and then running the turbo hack bios mod. Runs or tries to run all core max turbo. Couple guys on Greenpc got it working with t7810s.

Soon I'll be trying an e5-2698v4 on my gigabyte board to see if peg/dmi gear ratios work. Multiplier is unlocked but the gear ratio setting is a bclk adjustment to 125mhz. It's what I'm currently using with my 1680v3 and I have found NOTHING on the Internet on it a 26xx CPU can use peg/dmi ratios

Amazing that moved the clock of the test 2133 to 2400! Do you remember the scewin setting to enable overclock without having to go via the sleep cycle? anything else cool you have seen?

 

[frankr2994]

If you have a photo of the spring pins would be nice to see how they fit. I was thinking it would be easy to make 2 holes in an aluminium thick sheet and stick with thermal glue some good size hitsinks on the top but couldn't figure out how it would be supported unless I had to remove the board.


Amazing that moved the clock of the test 2133 to 2400! Do you remember the scewin setting to enable overclock without having to go via the sleep cycle? anything else cool you have seen?

Overclock lock set to disable and current limitation set to 2048

However, one of those broke throttle stop. I don't know why but an old version like 6.5 of XTU ended up working just fine

And I think for haswell the highest real spec for memory was 2400. I found out with my gigabyte board that going past 2400 required a peg DMI ratio change, which I tried like hell to make that work on the Dell but never got it to function

 

[sk111]

Overclock lock set to disable and current limitation set to 2048

However, one of those broke throttle stop. I don't know why but an old version like 6.5 of XTU ended up working just fine

And I think for haswell the highest real spec for memory was 2400. I found out with my gigabyte board that going past 2400 required a peg DMI ratio change, which I tried like hell to make that work on the Dell but never got it to function

Perfect got it working. I can report back that the overclocking limitation makes xtu 6.5 to work fine without sleep. The Throttlestop works fine after a sleep cycle - though it shows unlocked it needs to go via sleep cycle if you want to OC.
The current limitation I found already in amibcp and had modded the bios with the value 2048 (i had seen this in other mods) and this was downloaded in the scewin as 2048 already. And the OC of ram worked fine on my 2133 test stick as mentioned before.
Really good find! Thanks very much I think this will help others to go via this method if they want to push OC to the limit.
I found out that I definitely need an extra fan on the CPU if I need to push it as high as 4.7.
Maybe you solution of the vrm cooling will be even better than mine. Struggling to find the pins you mention though.
Is it something like that?

 

[frankr2994]

The pins are just from an old GPU. I always strip that stuff before I toss it.

 

[sk111]

Thanks I will see if I can find something like that

 

[frankr2994]

If I remember right those particular black ones came off an old gt730 card lol.

 

[sk111]

If I remember right those particular black ones came off an old gt730 card lol.

OK I will see what I find . By the way you were adding the XTU to start with windows? or starting after?

 

[frankr2994]

OK I will see what I find . By the way you were adding the XTU to start with windows? or starting after?

I set it to start with Windows. Still required loading and applying the profile

 

[sk111]

I set it to start with Windows. Still required loading and applying the profile

I found that the Overclocking Lock and the Memory Frequency can be accessed by amibcp so you can mod the bios and don't need the scewin for that. I did try to load throttlestop without the sleep cycle and the voltages are altered without the sleep but the oc doesn't happen without the sleep. Although the intel XTU works both voltages and OC without the sleep but the drawback is you have to load the profile. Any ideas why TS not able to OC just like xtu? To be perfectly clear TS shows the processor as unlocked (not greyed out like usual in FIVR) but for some reason doesn't push the OC. Otherwise TS would has been the perfect system to do that kind of operation...
Maybe a question for @unclewebb

 

[frankr2994]

I found that the Overclocking Lock and the Memory Frequency can be accessed by amibcp so you can mod the bios and don't need the scewin for that. I did try to load throttlestop without the sleep cycle and the voltages are altered without the sleep but the oc doesn't happen without the sleep. Although the intel XTU works both voltages and OC without the sleep but the drawback is you have to load the profile. Any ideas why TS not able to OC just like xtu? To be perfectly clear TS shows the processor as unlocked (not greyed out like usual in FIVR) but for some reason doesn't push the OC. Otherwise TS would has been the perfect system to do that kind of operation...
Maybe a question for @unclewebb

I never got a single change to ever work using amibcp with the dells bios. I was never even able to brick my bios using it. I always pulled a new dump to verify my changes were written.


I had asked unclewebb about this before. Most likely an impossible scenario for him to replicate and diagnose

You can use this as an alternative to amibcp. I've heard others had better luck in getting changes forced.https://boringboredom.github.io/UEFI-Editor/

 

[sk111]

I never got a single change to ever work using amibcp with the dells bios. I was never even able to brick my bios using it. I always pulled a new dump to verify my changes were written.


I had asked unclewebb about this before. Most likely an impossible scenario for him to replicate and diagnose

I see strange. Silly question but to confirm did you remove the bios battery and moved the password lock jumper to unlock for 30 secs before restarting the pc?

 

[frankr2994]

I see strange. Silly question but to confirm did you remove the bios battery and moved the password lock jumper to unlock for 30 secs before restarting the pc?

I had tried pretty much every combination . Also had others trying on their machines. And like I said a new dump verified options written. This was done using an external flash programmer and using fptw64. Same result

 

[sk111]

I had tried pretty much every combination . Also had others trying on their machines. And like I said a new dump verified options written. This was done using an external flash programmer and using fptw64. Same result

OK for mine when I done the voltage to 2048 before the scewin together with unlimited tdp worked fine. I cannot say if for the Overclocking unlock scewin still interferes somehow since I updated the bios without reinstalling windows by can test it. To be clear if you don't follow the process of the battery and bios jumper even though the new bios is written it is not loading so you get the previous copy operationally but when you read it is as per update.