Gigabyte Launches its first Mini-ITX X870 Motherboard, the X870I Aorus Pro Ice

[Neo_Morpheus]

USB4 and Thunderbolt does DP Alt mode, so all you need is the right cable and you have at least one, if not two DP ports.

Crap, i forgot about that!

you are correct and actually its recommended to use a USB 4 to HDMI 2.1 cable or adapter to bypass the 4k/120Hz limitation under Linux.

 

[Gucky]

Pretty common for Mini-ITX boards.

On AM4 there is no current Board (out of 137) with less then 4 ports on the german market, including ALL ITX boards and cheap A-series.
Any now with AM5 only 2 out of 9 have 4 ports in germany, the other 7 only have 2. And both with 4 are without PCIe 5.0.

There are also no µATX boards with PCIe 5.0 on the german market.
And 5 of the 16 X870 ATX!! boards on the german market also only have 2 Sata ports.
Imaging paying 300-500$ and only having 2 sata ports, while a <80$ boards from 4 years ago already had 4.

 

[starfals]

Barebones much (on the back lol)?

 

[TheLostSwede]

On AM4 there is no current Board (out of 137) with less then 4 ports on the german market, including ALL ITX boards and cheap A-series.
Any now with AM5 only 2 out of 9 have 4 ports in germany, the other 7 only have 2. And both with 4 are without PCIe 5.0.

There are also no µATX boards with PCIe 5.0 on the german market.
And 5 of the 16 X870 ATX!! boards on the german market also only have 2 Sata ports.
Imaging paying 300-500$ and only having 2 sata ports, while a <80$ boards from 4 years ago already had 4.

Currently, I use exactly zero out of six SATA ports on my motherboard and I will likely be continuing this trend for the foreseeable future, but each to their own.

Also, the motherboard form factor is Mini-ITX, ITX measures 215 x 191 mm and I don't think it's used any more, unless you get some custom boards in the German market.

 

[Launcestonian]

All ITX boards suffer from hot VRMs when system is stressed. I'm sure we all know heat is the biggest killer of electronics... so avoid heat as much as possible!

 

[_roman_]

All ITX boards suffer from hot VRMs when system is stressed. I'm sure we all know heat is the biggest killer of electronics... so avoid heat as much as possible!

I would more say poor design of the pcb. No fuses. Replace a fuse and keep graphic card and other stuff. In my point of view they could use common fuse types which are easy replaceable by the user.

Chemicals - there lots of agressive chemicals around

poor design at the limit without reason. (although i still read the same bullshit with 8 layer pcb and other nonsense ... which hardly aids anything)
The wrong components choice. There are more durable parts and not. E.g. check power supply units for the temperature rating of certain parts.
Prebuilds with bad, bad mainboards(looking at hp microtower pcs)

ASUS as a brand - yet again i saw by chance gamers nexus video - where it seems again asus does have a faulty uefi - which caused wrong behaviour of the test suite. Or broken processors because of asus optimised settings (i hope you get my point - it's about mainboard which enforce bad settings - e.g. that x3d chip asus killed without knowing what they did) Asus seems to manufacture a lot of garbage in regards of firmware and settings. I wish people would share more how good or bad their mainboards are. Where the common faults are. (the point about gamers nexus - for some reason core parking does not work with windows + asus mainboard + swapped processor = wrong results for 9950x3d gaming benchmarks)

-- Some silicion get quite hot over many years and do not die. Temperature is only bad when the parts were badly chosen.

 

[Pepamami]

so far only useless information.

Like who made powerstages, which dr.mos is being used.
Which USB port connects to which root hub. Does it have extra usb-hubs?
and etc.

anyway, I am to scared to buy new motherboards today, without checking live reviews, because what if it makes high pitched vrm noises.

Currently, I use exactly zero out of six SATA ports on my motherboard and I will likely be continuing this trend for the foreseeable future, but each to their own.

agree, 2 is more than enough for ITX. If u want to make a weird build with 8 satas, u can add extra sata controller on the back side of the motherboard via secondary m.2

All ITX boards suffer from hot VRMs when system is stressed. I'm sure we all know heat is the biggest killer of electronics... so avoid heat as much as possible!

motherboards with a cheap discrete VRM suffers from heat.
While expensive ITX uses some fancy dr.mos stuff.

 

[JustBenching]

What a ridiculous IO and lack of on board connectors. CPUs installed onto this board can do incredible levels of compute, yet only two fan headers and 3 RGB headers truly show their priorities and target audience. Not to mention the insanely low amount of ports at the rear. Sad.

The USBs aren't an issue cause itx builds will probably be sitting on the desk next to you, you can use a hub. But yeah, the lacking fan headers and the rgb ones, lol. Form over function. I hate it on the tech space.

 

[ymdhis]

They should get rid of them... including the old USB header. Old technology, taking up space. Possibly instead offer an adapter from a modern header/connector to these legacy ports.

I'm fine with removing SATA altogether but only if they replace it with equal amount of m.2 (key m) slots, so we can use 4+ m.2 drives on a single matx or itx motherboard. There's plenty of space on the back of the board to do this, and yes, I know it requires a new socket with more PCIE lanes from the CPU.

That, or release max/halo mobile chips on desktop too, so we can have 4070m tier onboard graphics. Then I can bifurcate the x16 slot for more m.2 drives.

Currently, I use exactly zero out of six SATA ports on my motherboard and I will likely be continuing this trend for the foreseeable future, but each to their own.

Also, the motherboard form factor is Mini-ITX, ITX measures 215 x 191 mm and I don't think it's used any more, unless you get some custom boards in the German market.

I'd use the SATA ports on my machine if SATA SSDs were significantly cheaper. But they are the same price as m.2 drives so I opted for m.2 drives instead, and I'm running out of ports.

 

[kapone32]

When you think about it, this form factor could be cool but is an oxymoron. What benefit does this board have over a B650 Micro ATX (Or equivalent) from the same brand that will be half the price or more with more features and a beefier rear I/O? These boards make the most sense with APUs for a nice quiet PC experience. APUs are no longer inexpensive though and cases for these boards are expensive in the same foolish way. Why should I have to pay a premium for less case? Someone mentioned the 2000D Airflow and even on sale that is still more expensive than the 3000D. If you are putting a 4090 with this more case is needed as far as I am concerned. That is why I like the Asus AP201 but it is not in production any longer. Another thing about this and why I mention that case because it supports full ATX PSUs. As we know SFF is a thing and though prices and availability are better than before it is still something I would only look for on Black Friday as a SFF PSU that could support a 4090 is already asking for a premium.

 

[Patriot]

Only 2 Sata ports on a high-end chipset...

Where are you putting Hard drives in a 4 liter case?

 

[Ten Shin Han]

Maybe have a read here? It should hopefully give you a better explanation of how the PCIe lanes between the CPU and chipset(s) work.

AMD Zen 4 & Socket AM5 Explained: PCIe Lanes, Chipsets, Connectivity

There has been a fair bit of confusion about AMD's upcoming AM5 platform when it comes to connectivity and we're going to break things down and explain what the difference is between the B650 and X670 boards. We're also going to cover the processor connectivity, since that's an integral part of...

www.techpowerup.com

Yes, get an X670/E board, many of them offers that configuration.

So don't get an X870/E board then.

Hello again

Sadly, the *ONLY* Micro ATX / AM5 / PCIe 5.0 / 2 x NVMe-M.2 Gen5x4 I found is

ROG CROSSHAIR X670E GENE | Gaming motherboards｜ROG - Republic of Gamers｜ROG Global

Formed by splicing the ROG DNA and mixing in an SFF enzyme, the ROG Crosshair X670E Gene is a mATX powerhouse that lets you have it all. With bulked-up power delivery and heatsinks, it dishes up a full-fat serving of AMD Ryzen™ 7000 Series processors, alongside a digestible blend of PCIe 5.0...

rog.asus.com

ROG CROSSHAIR X670E GENE​

• mATX
• 16 + 2 phases d’alimentation (110 A)
• DDR5
• Compatible PCIe 5.0
• AI Overclocking, Dynamic OC Switcher, Core Flex et Horloge asynchrone
• 2 x PCIe 5.0 M.2
  1 x PCIe 4.0 M.2
• 2 x ports USB4®
  1 x connecteur sur panneau avant USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 avec Quick Charge 4+
• AI Cooling II

(it requires a proprietary extension card to hold the 2nd NVMe-M.2 Gen5x4)

it seems most motherboard manufacturers do *NOT* bother offering a very simple & efficient Micro ATX (my segment) design focusing on the critical components : CPU <-> RAM <-> GPU <-> SSD 2 x NVMe-M.2 Gen5x4

I just check AMD CPU(s) database, all AM5-PCIe 5.0 cpu(s) (9000 & 7000 series) supports 24 usable PCIe 5.0 lanes allowing direct connection to GPU (PCIe x16) + 2 x SSD NVMe-M.2 Gen5x4.

I will keep looking.

Hope this helps.

 

[Gucky]

Where are you putting Hard drives in a 4 liter case?

ITX does not mean 4 liter. There are bigger cases like the NR200P.

ROG CROSSHAIR X670E GENE

Not available in my country. Unless you pay 1000€ to a thirdparty seller.

Would go nice with a Lian Li DAN Cases A3-mATX Wood Edition..., but no, no µATX PCie 5.0 in my country...

 

[audigo]

WTF. only ONE fan header? And two smaller PH2, non-standard fan headers. Why are there THREE RGB headers? Why? Absolutely terrible choice of connection ports, who buys it..