NVIDIA Claims AMD Cannot Play HD Content; AMD Rebuttal Shows Otherwise

[imperialreign]

Maybe AMD/ATI haven't done something like that. But what they have done is trying to sell/hype vaporware so many times tht I can't count them right now. They did it with HD2900 and they did it with X1000 series. Months before release they have claimed superiority, in the end and on their price point that ended up being true. But that doesn't change the fact that Ati also used that kind of estrategies in the past. It's easy for a company to release hardware months later and being superior. EDIT: This is so true that Tom's Hardware and other sites refused to make any review of Ati hardware before they were at retail.

Also I have seen so many times The Inquirer taking someone's words and taking them out of context, that I can imagine them doing the article only out of that slide. It's been done before. Where Nvidia said "HD2900XT can't..." they write "AMD can't"... Hope you understand what I'm saying. Since I haven't read what Nvidia said (and I have searched for another source to this, but found nothing), and the only proof they give us is that slide, I have to think that way. Good periodists and columnists contrast their information. Me too, even if I am not one of them.

Oh, I completely understand that - any good review of a product should have both sides and not be biased at all. It's partly why if I run across a review of new hardware, I'll immediately dismiss it if they display any ATI or nVidia advertising on their page. They may say they're not biased - but they still might be getting some loot under the table to favor one make over another. I've seen it done a lot in the automotive industry, and I'm sure it happens with other industries, also.

My words are still true. When Nvidia showed that slide it was 25-26 Oct. 8800GT was released 29 Oct. At that time 8800GT was clearly superior to what AMD had to offer at playing HD content at 2560x1600. True?

At that time HD3000 was still vaporware. Final specs weren't official yet. So claiming that 8800GT was the only card OUT capable of doing that is correct. True?

True, and that's fine and good for nVidia - but they're comparing apples and oranges, IMO. The 2900's were released before we were seeing 30" monitors on the market, so how can one expect that hardware to meet those native screen resolutions? But, nVidia doesn't say anything about that.

What nVidia should've done - is wait until the 3800s were released, and comparing the 8800GT to that, instead of jumping the gun. At the end of October, everyone knew the 3800s were right around the corner, ATI even having giving an ETA on them - it's just, no one had any specs, yet - which was just a bit unusual for ATI . . . almost like they were trying to keep the 3800s under wraps for as long as possible . . .

 

[DarkMatter]

What nVidia should've done - is wait until the 3800s were released, and comparing the 8800GT to that, instead of jumping the gun. At the end of October, everyone knew the 3800s were right around the corner, ATI even having giving an ETA on them - it's just, no one had any specs, yet - which was just a bit unusual for ATI . . . almost like they were trying to keep the 3800s under wraps for as long as possible . . .

HAHAHAHA!! That was funny!

A company has to wait for competition?? Since when. If you have a better* product before the competition you try to sell it. You don't say "Ey! I have the better product now, but if you wait just a month the competition is going to release their counterpart, so you have better off waiting..." And all that in their own event?
Well, TBH, that kind of behavior would make this world a lot better place to live on. LOL

*When I say better, undrestand that I'm refering to playing HD at 2560x1600, or any other claim that it is true in the moment of the claim.

 

[eidairaman1]

The point most of us are trying to make is that ATI had never stated that the 2900 could display HD content at a screen resolution greater than 1920x2000. But, what nVidia did was state that any HD playback wasn't possible with the 2900 - which is just flat out false. But anyways, nVidia making this statement is a form of mud slinging against ATI to win more customer back to the nVidia aisle. Again, ATI never said the 2900 could display HD content at a screen res bigger than 1920x2000.

even back when that slide was done up by nVidia - OCT 29 - we all knew the 3800 series was coming very shortly. nVidia might not have had the newest meat on the market, but they were trying to showoff that their meat is still the best tasting on the block.

Ya Know what i think, who cares if the Cards can do this or that on a 1920x1200 Screen, because if you think about it majority of Gamers will be running on 1280x1024 or 1024x768 Screens.

 

[imperialreign]

Ya Know what i think, who cares if the Cards can do this or that on a 1920x1200 Screen, because if you think about it majority of Gamers will be running on 1280x1024 or 1024x768 Screens.

I understand that eidair - I was pointing out that this article on nVidia's part is targeted at those buying hardware for HD viewing on large monitors (30") and pronjection screens - not at us gamers.

 

[MadCow]

Did anybody else notice the last picture in the article? It shows 2 2900XTs in crossfire doing fullscreen HD on a 30" screen.

 

[hercules71185]

I think its weird that nvidia does both but ati is one or the other

 

[Xaser04]

At the current pricing the 8800gt/3870 are about equal on performance per $

It depends where you live though.

For example here in the UK you can pick up (well out of stock but still the price is correct) a Zotac 8800GT for £160 with free delivery. On the same website the HD3870 is the same price (you can get it for around £150 but you will have to pay p & p on top). At these prices the 8800GT is easily the better choice.

 

[hercules71185]

what I was saying on the last post is people are claiming in the first pages of this forum nvidia did them wrong by comparing cards that aren't meant for that. Well isn't that a good point then? For example. they just pulled a hey I can do this 10 times better than you and STILL out perform you in every benchmark. I'm not biased towards any company just the better card for the price. I rocked a radeon 9550 back in the day. then a nvidia 6800. Now a nvidia 8600gt. And about to pull out onto the new 3870 because it is a great deal or if the 8800gt is ever in stock again or if the 256 version drops under 200 I'm sold on 2 of them. I don't really care what company does what in any way. Why not just have the best per dollar system?
I wish that applied to gamers for the superhd whatever it is. playing a game on a 30" screen with the resolution maxed would be sick. Whoever plays crysis in dx10 mode with all candy on. I wanna see it. Whether its 4 of the ati crossfires or what that would be phenomenal no pun intended.

 

[eidairaman1]

I understand that eidair - I was pointing out that this article on nVidia's part is targeted at those buying hardware for HD viewing on large monitors (30") and pronjection screens - not at us gamers.

i think majority of users will have HD setop boxes over a PC, sad but true.

 

[cdawall]

i will be playing on a mitsu 65in 1080P DLP as soon as i get a DVI-hdmi converter

 

[imperialreign]

all I'm saying is that it seems that home entertainement is quickly moving into the PC world. It's only been within the last year or so that the consumer can go out and buy a HD-DVD or BLU-RAY capable optical drive, and only the last couple of years since HD TVs and monitors have entered the market - as the price of new equipment comes down, more and more people are picking it up.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing in anyway shape or form . . . it's just that most gamers aren't out there pricing 30" monitors, simply because to run a game at that native resolution would be like watching a slide show - unless you've got all the bad-ass hardware to handle that strain, and the vast majority of people don't.


Anyways, to kind of sum up how I interpeted nVidia's propaganda there . . . it'd be like if Reebok released an advertisement stating that Nike tennis shoes don't have good traction at all because Nike doesn't offer shoe sizes bigger than size 15.

 

[eidairaman1]

well im getting at fact that a PC can be unstable at times, also very prone to failure, Most Settop boxes run off of just Firmware and no software.

all I'm saying is that it seems that home entertainement is quickly moving into the PC world. It's only been within the last year or so that the consumer can go out and buy a HD-DVD or BLU-RAY capable optical drive, and only the last couple of years since HD TVs and monitors have entered the market - as the price of new equipment comes down, more and more people are picking it up.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing in anyway shape or form . . . it's just that most gamers aren't out there pricing 30" monitors, simply because to run a game at that native resolution would be like watching a slide show - unless you've got all the bad-ass hardware to handle that strain, and the vast majority of people don't.


Anyways, to kind of sum up how I interpeted nVidia's propaganda there . . . it'd be like if Reebok released an advertisement stating that Nike tennis shoes don't have good traction at all because Nike doesn't offer shoe sizes bigger than size 15.