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TSMC Boosts 2 nm Yields by 6%, Passing Savings to Customers

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Being the leading-edge semiconductor manufacturing company, TSMC actively works on increasing the efficiency of its upcoming nodes, even when they are finalized and ready for high-volume manufacturing. According to a TSMC employee identified as Dr. Kim on X, recent test runs of the 2 nm N2 nodes show a 6% improvement in production yields compared to baseline expectations. This advancement could translate into substantial cost savings for the company's customers when mass production begins in late 2025. However, specific details about whether the gains were achieved in SRAM or logic test chips remain undisclosed. The timing is particularly noteworthy as TSMC prepares to launch its shuttle test wafer services for 2 nm technology in January. The N2 process represents a giant leap for TSMC, marking its first gate-all-around (GAA) nanosheet transistors implementation, the first step to derive from the classical FinFET design.

According to TSMC's projections, chips manufactured using the N2 process will consume 25-30% less power while maintaining the same transistor count and frequency as its N3E node. Additionally, the technology is expected to deliver 10-15% performance improvements and achieve a 15% increase in transistor density. A key innovation in the N2 process is the enhanced design of its GAA nanosheet transistors, which offers improved electrostatic control and reduced gate leakage compared to 3 nm FinFET transistors, given that the gate can be controlled from all sides. This advancement enables smaller high-density transistors to maintain reliable performance through better threshold voltage tuning capabilities. With approximately seven to eight months until full-scale volume production begins, the company has a substantial window to optimize the manufacturing process further and potentially achieve additional yield improvements, although that is less likely.



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TSMC works hard for the money and also to save money for its customers, meanwhile, intel is “weekend at bernies” lol…
 

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Yields improvements always save money for the customers, no?

Last I checked, fabs sold wafer allocation, not individual chips. As long as the price doesn't go up, then the customer is the one who benefits. And IIRC the 2nm contracts were already signed.
 
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According to plans, it's looking like volume production of the following by the end of 2025/beginning of 2026:

INTC - 18A, >200MTr/mm^2
TSMC - N2, >250MTr/mm^2
SMSG - SF2, >200MTr/mm^2

BTW, that's an extreme shredding of Intel process roadmaps that forecasted Intel 3, 20A and 18A all by the end of this year.
 
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Cool...so 25-30% reduction and 10-15% performance uplift.

Quick back of the hand math means 75% of the energy cost for 110% of the performance, or a die of the same size theoretically having 1.1/0.75=1.467 of the performance per watt, or a 46.7% uplift in performance per watt. If we look at the generational gap as about 15% per price bracket, that's mean a middle tier card can have either a much smaller die size (factoring in the 15% density increase in transistors) while running cooler and having the same performance, or have roughly the same die size without melting down.

This would be great if we actually saw any of this savings as consumers...but given that all of this wafer production is going to go to AI accelerators, given they are the biggest margin product on the market right now, it's not going to do anything but pad budgets. Sigh...wish we could see some of that price decrease...
 
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Cool...so 25-30% reduction and 10-15% performance uplift.

Quick back of the hand math means 75% of the energy cost for 110% of the performance, or a die of the same size theoretically having 1.1/0.75=1.467 of the performance per watt, or a 46.7% uplift in performance per watt. If we look at the generational gap as about 15% per price bracket, that's mean a middle tier card can have either a much smaller die size (factoring in the 15% density increase in transistors) while running cooler and having the same performance, or have roughly the same die size without melting down.
The power reduction number is for same performance, it does not include the higher performance ceiling. It still looks good.
 

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Only 15% more density we are nearing the flat curve and need better tech to make high strides again. Silicon is at its end.

nonetheless this will probably blow Intel out of the water, same with Samsung.
 
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Silicon is at its end.
If we could use pure neutron crystals as semiconductors, but still had the same chip manufacturing tech, how much you think we could increase density?
 

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If we could use pure neutron crystals as semiconductors, but still had the same chip manufacturing tech, how much you think we could increase density?
Not familiar with neutron crystals but there were a few materials mentioned as successor of Silicon and one of them was graphene I think, among others I forgot. I also made a typo in the other post, I meant “density” ofc. 15% is really not a lot compared to prior times where we got near double, double or at least 50%, 35% in younger times. It’s really at its end.
 
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