Intel Xe3 "Celestial" Architecture is Complete, Hardware Team Moves on to Xe4 "Druid" Design

[AleksandarK]

We have already confirmed that Intel is continuing the development of Arc gaming GPUs beyond the current Xe2 "Battlemage" series, with the new Xe3 "Celestial" architecture in the works. However, thanks to PCWorld's The Full Nerd podcast, Tom Petersen of Intel confirmed that the Xe3 IP has been finished, and the hardware teams are already working on the next Xe4 "Druid" GPU IP. "Our architects are way ahead of us, and they are already working on not the next thing but the next thing after the next thing," said Petersen, adding: "The way I would like to comment is our IP that's kind of called Xe3, which is the one after Xe2, that's pretty much baked, right. And so the software teams have a lot of work to do on Xe3. The hardware teams are off on the next thing, right. That's our cadence, that we need to keep going."

The base IP of next-generation Xe3 "Celestial" GPUs is done. That means the basic media engines, Xe cores, XMX matrix engines, ray tracing engines, and other parts of the gaming GPU are already designed and most likely awaiting trial fabrication. The software to support this Xe3 is also being developed while Intel's team is working on enabling more optimizations for the Xe2 "Battlemage" architecture, which we previewed recently. We assume that Intel's Xe GPU will now follow a stricter cadence of releases, with SKUs getting updated much faster, given that a lot is prepared for the future.



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[Quicks]

Might turn out to be Intel's saving grace.

 

[Wirko]

Cattlemage?

 

[The Quim Reaper]

So why the delay on the new, more powerful Battlemage B780 cards?

 

[Tek-Check]

Intel's own slide shows that Battlemage for Enthusiasts would be released "2023-2024"

Enthusiasts in entry market?
Whatever happened?

 

[Daven]

Xe1 32 cores 6 nm
Xe2 40 cores 5 nm
Xe3 56 cores 3 nm
Xe4 64 cores 2 nm

There done. That wasn’t so hard.

 

[wNotyarD]

Intel's own slide shows that Battlemage for Enthusiasts would be released "2023-2024"

Enthusiasts in entry market?
Whatever happened?

Do you really believe in Intel roadmaps?

 

[Tek-Check]

Do you really believe in Intel roadmaps?

I don't. They should never be showing such slide, as some shareholders can literally take them to court to misleading them and the public.

 

[Daven]

I don't. They should never be showing such slide, as some shareholders can literally take them to court to misleading them and the public.

Oh man, Intel would be bankrupt 1000x over if someone took them to court over every misleading slide shown in the past and won.

 

[theouto]

Oh man, Intel would be bankrupt 1000x over if someone took them to court over every misleading slide shown in the past and won.

Core truths alone would've been enough for them going bankrupt.

 

[Vya Domus]

Intel's own slide shows that Battlemage for Enthusiasts would be released "2023-2024"

Enthusiasts in entry market?
Whatever happened?

Who the hell knows what "enthusiast" even means let alone what Intel thinks it means.

 

[sephiroth117]

It will really boils down to the drivers.

On paper there’s a market and a big one for a 200-250€ gpu that can play all your gales neatly, in 1080/1440p and in good conditions. Steam surveys alone shows how much 3060, 1660 etc are used.

 

[Jomale]

Sure, Intel "has always plans of at least, two generation further of their selling guts"
Reality:
Intel's 18A process, a node that is said to be a "turning point" for Intel Foundry, is now being said to feature only <10% yield rates.

Intel 18A Process Node Clocks an Abysmal 10% Yield: Report

In case you're wondering why Intel went with TSMC 3 nm to build the Compute tile of its "Arrow Lake" processor, and the SoC tile of "Lunar Lake," instead of Intel 3, or even Intel 20A, perhaps there's more to the recent story about Broadcom voicing its disappointment in the Intel 18A foundry...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[kapone32]

He also spent about 15 minutes on how important VRAM is for Gaming.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

He also spent about 15 minutes on how important VRAM is for Gaming.

How nice it would be if consumer video cards had enough VRAM to load the entire game, with its several tens (or hundreds) of gigabytes, with all its assets, and still have enough space left over for data processing while playing.

 

[AusWolf]

Already? So what's with Battlemage? Is it gonna feature a whopping 6-month product cycle like Rocket Lake did?

 

[Tek-Check]

Already? So what's with Battlemage? Is it gonna feature a whopping 6-month product cycle like Rocket Lake did?

No.Xe3 will currently only feature in Panther Lake CPUs. We haven't heard of any dies for desktop at the moment.

It's not coming to laptops for another year, at least.

Who the hell knows what "enthusiast" even means let alone what Intel thinks it means.

If the category is placed on the top, it must mean top performance in whatever category a graph relates to

 

[AusWolf]

No.Xe3 will currently only feature in Panther Lake CPUs. We haven't heard of any dies for desktop at the moment.

It's not coming to laptops for another year, at least.

Ah, that makes sense.

If the category is placed on the top, it must mean top performance in whatever category a graph relates to

Top among all GPUs? Or top among Intel's own product stack?

This is why I "love" the word enthusiast. It can mean anything or nothing depending on who says it and in what context.

 

[Daven]

Already? So what's with Battlemage? Is it gonna feature a whopping 6-month product cycle like Rocket Lake did?

Take all timelines released by Intel and add 1 year if you are feeling lucky and 2 years if you want to know the correct date.

 

[Solaris17]

Makes sense this kind of stuff is done years in advance.

 

[Tek-Check]

Top among all GPUs? Or top among Intel's own product stack?

It does not matter. It's meaningless in both cases.

This is why I "love" the word enthusiast. It can mean anything or nothing depending on who says it and in what context.

It can't. In a court, they would need to define this very precisely and embarrass themselves.

 

[AusWolf]

It does not matter. It's meaningless in both cases.

It can't. In a court, they would need to define this very precisely and embarrass themselves.

Exactly. Nobody could ever make and win a court case based on a company calling any garbage product "enthusiast" because the word doesn't mean anything in this sense.

(PC) enthusiast = someone who likes PC stuff. It's not a product or product range. My spare 6500 XT can be an enthusiast card if I want it to be.

 

[Tek-Check]

Exactly. Nobody could ever make and win a court case based on a company calling any garbage product "enthusiast" because the word doesn't mean anything in this sense.

It's not about winning either. It's about exposing business marketing as utter nonsense.
Remember, if you are a shareholder, you would not like to be mislead by such BS.

 

[Vayra86]

Intel's own slide shows that Battlemage for Enthusiasts would be released "2023-2024"

Enthusiasts in entry market?
Whatever happened?

No, people enthusiastic about Battlemage

 

[dont whant to set it"']

And so, the sieve , sieves.
"Shame"(sarcasm on this one) Raja ain't there.