Intel Xe3 "Celestial" Architecture is Complete, Hardware Team Moves on to Xe4 "Druid" Design

[AusWolf]

It's not about winning either. It's about exposing business marketing as utter nonsense.
Remember, if you are a shareholder, you would not like to be mislead by such BS.

Sure, but bullshit sells products, let's be honest, because people are stupid.

 

[Tek-Check]

Sure, but bullshit sells products, let's be honest, because people are stupid.

You have low opinion of humanity

 

[tfp]

You have low opinion of humanity

He has a realistic opinion of humanity.

 

[kondamin]

Who the hell knows what "enthusiast" even means let alone what Intel thinks it means.

You need to be enthusiastic about exotic hardware that might be somewhat useful to purchase one of them?

an Other example why it’s not worth your time listening to rumour YouTubers

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

You have low opinion of humanity

He is on the money.

Intel doesn’t deserve any mercy for all the illegal crap they pulled against AMD.

Their arrogant attitude towards their own customers.

They have lied over and over and yet, here we are, all their fanbois still giving them unwavering support.

Yeah, he is right.

 

[AusWolf]

You have low opinion of humanity

I know there are decent individuals here and there, but in general, yes, I do.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You have low opinion of humanity

Not that low.

 

[AggressiveCombo]

Reality:
Intel's 18A process, a node that is said to be a "turning point" for Intel Foundry, is now being said to feature only <10% yield rates.

And then Pat Gelsinger says he's very proud of the team that worked on it

 

[lexluthermiester]

And then Pat Gelsinger says he's very proud of the team that worked on it

That's because they've done something new for Intel and competitive to TSMC. Low yields are a fact of life for ANY new lithography process run. Everyone goes through that process, including TSMC. For example, TSMC's 3nm process started with a sub 5% yield. Yet they've improve as they refine and dial in the process. TADA!

 

[Tek-Check]

That's because they've done something new for Intel and competitive to TSMC. Low yields are a fact of life for ANY new lithography process run. Everyone goes through that process, including TSMC. For example, TSMC's 3nm process started with a sub 5% yield. Yet they've improve as they refine and dial in the process. TADA!

It seems that N2 trial run had already hit around 60% and then it was further boosted by 6% recently, while at the same time enabling smaller SRAM cells, as stated by Tom's. This suggests that their initial GAA nanosheet runs are far better than initial N3 attempts.

Purported TSMC engineer boasts of recent 6% boost to 2nm yields, passing 'billions in savings' to customers (Updated)

The higher, the better.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[lexluthermiester]

It seems that N2 trial run had already hit around 60% and then it was further boosted by 6% recently

Perhaps, but it didn't start at that yield level. 66% yield is still sub-par for production runs. Usable, but not optimal.

 

[Tek-Check]

Perhaps, but it didn't start at that yield level. 66% yield is still sub-par for production runs. Usable, but not optimal.

True, but they have almost a year to fine tune it. Apple also used similar yields for initial M3 chips. Samsung's 8nm wasn't much better either, but it was cheap enough for Nvidia to bake Ampere on it.

I am sure that Apple, Nvidia, AMD and others would proceed with N2 even on cureent 66%. It will mature further. I'd expect at least 75% for larger chips and almost 80% for smaller chips by the moment of mass production.