9800x 3d vs 12900k - Battle of the Century

[JustBenching]

So engine multithreading was off by default (lol!) I enabled it and its all good.

 

[kDude]

So engine multithreading was off by default (lol!) I enabled it and its all good.

That's an actual setting ingame?

 

[JustBenching]

That's an actual setting ingame?

YEAP

 

[freeagent]

Future proof has been thrown around for decades.

In these modern times, you will never build a future proof computer.

I built a 12 core monster in 2021, today an 8 core beats it in everything.

 

[Wolverine2349]

Future proof has been thrown around for decades.

In these modern times, you will never build a future proof computer.

I built a 12 core monster in 2021, today an 8 core beats it in everything.

Not sure about that. Seems modern times in X86 the core system (mobo and CPU) may be easier to future proof as long as you upgrade only the GPUs.

What 12 core monster did you build in 2021? 5900X. Dual 6 core CCDs.

Golden cove had faster clocks and 15% better IPC than Zen 3 which came out late 2021.

Then Zen 4 IPC caught up adn Zen 5 exceeded it somewhat.

But Zen 6 IPC due in 2 years or a bit longer only 10-12% IPC uplift.

Everything after Golden Cove/Zen 4 has had underwhelming small IPC uplifts in X86 space with a PCU due 2 years or a little more from now.

What better time to future proof the core system.

GPUs are advancing with big uplifts unlike the core X86 CPUs and mobos now.

To the point Intel and AMD met to try and innovate X86 without much luck.

What better time to future proof on X86 space core systems. And X86 is not going anywhere despite ARM advancements. The ecosystem of X86 software is so much more massive in laptop and desktop space (And laptops still a massive market) than any others

 

[Taraquin]

YEAP

Wtf? Lol!

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

Future proof has been thrown around for decades.

In these modern times, you will never build a future proof computer.

I built a 12 core monster in 2021, today an 8 core beats it in everything.

you volunteered to be a beta tester for it, glad I stopped mid-way of beta testing.

 

[freeagent]

you volunteered to be a beta tester for it, glad I stopped mid-way of beta testing.

Its easy to say that now that my hardware is old.

One day I will buy new hardware, just not today

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

Its easy to say that now that my hardware is old.

naahh, mid-way testing, I kinda feel ripped, since its either a hit or miss in performance every AGESA update, I am a day 1 user/consumer as I was returning to desktop PC's that time (yeah not so perfect timing) and I have been hearing Ryzen was the hype, LSS, I grew tired of that hit or miss thing, and the reason I sidegraded to ADL when it came out, it was painless, I just have to tinker with DDR5 for just a few hours, run the stress tests, and sit back and enjoy gaming (I don't care with my electricity bill as my office pays for it)

 

[lexluthermiester]

Its easy to say that now that my hardware is old.

One day I will buy new hardware, just not today

You think a 5800X and a 4070ti are old? LMFAO!!

 

[JustBenching]

Wtf? Lol!

Yeah, I realized because my friends 14900k was getting 80 fps in the city while I was getting 21 (!!!). Im like, something is wrong here...

 

[freeagent]

You think a 5800X and a 4070ti are old? LMFAO!!

No no, but I have been running AM4 since 2020, so my platform is getting up there age wise. 1 guy commented that you could get a stronger Intel at the time.. and yeah you could.. for like double the price.

I am ok with what I have until Zen 6. That will be a worthwhile upgrade.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I am ok with what I have until Zen 6. That will be a worthwhile upgrade.

I'd say you'd be solid even if you had a 3800X or 3900X.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

for like double the price.

my 12900k+ROG Strix z690E was cheaper than my R9 5900X+Crosshair VIII Dark Hero

 

[freeagent]

my 12900k+ROG Strix z690E was cheaper than my R9 5900X+Crosshair VIII Dark Hero

I bought my 5900X in May of 2021. I had no problem overclocking, or enjoying it. 260w limit is what mine needed to fly.

Sorry you felt like a beta tester, or whatever.

 

[RootinTootinPootin]

I bought my 5900X in May of 2021

1st board was a B550-F Strix, I was enjoying it, and thought "Hey lemme try X570 coz it sounds cool" that's rather more of a dissapointment..haha..

 

[nguyen]

Been happy with my 9800X3D for the past month, 0 issue thus far and I haven't even updated the BIOS once, have not seen some system stallings like I have seen on the 13700KF (sometimes opening apps just take too many seconds on the 13700KF)

Highest CPU usage seen with shader compilation sequences, PPT @ 118W, voltage 1.13v, max CPU temp 78C. I'm running CPU at stock clock with Curve Optimizer at -30.

 

[x4it3n]

Repeating it here as well. After a lot of testing and retesting and clean installing windows.

Win 10

Ecores on = 90 fps
Ecores off = 96 fps

Win 11 24h2

Ecores on = 80 fps
Ecores off = 75 fps

Intel is borked and I was really wondering if I should stick with windows 10 for the 9800x 3d as well.

Just got a 9800X3D last week and there is no way I'm switching to W11 as of now. If W11 was bringing 10% more performance in Games then why not (even though I don't want Copilot and AI stuff) but as of now W11 is useless for me.

Been happy with my 9800X3D for the past month, 0 issue thus far and I haven't even updated the BIOS once, have not seen some system stallings like I have seen on the 13700KF (sometimes opening apps just take too many seconds on the 13700KF)

Highest CPU usage seen with shader compilation sequences, PPT @ 118W, voltage 1.13v, max CPU temp 78C. I'm running CPU at stock clock with Curve Optimizer at -30.

-30 is a lot... do you really get 5200MHz when running all-core? I did -10 and +200 PBO for 5400MHz and running at ~85°C all-core otherwise it's in the ~50/60°C while Gaming

 

[nguyen]

Just got a 9800X3D last week and there is no way I'm switching to W11 as of now. If W11 was bringing 10% more performance in Games then why not (even though I don't want Copilot and AI stuff) but as of now W11 is useless for me.


-30 is a lot... do you really get 5200MHz when running all-core? I did -10 and +200 PBO for 5400MHz and running at ~85°C all-core otherwise it's in the ~50/60°C while Gaming

Yeah i get 5225mhz running all-core, in your case I think you need to use positive curve with +200mhz to increase the voltages (and increase power limits too)

 

[x4it3n]

Yeah i get 5225mhz running all-core, in your case I think you need to use positive curve with +200mhz to increase the voltages (and increase power limits too)
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I actually overclocked (+200MHz) via PBO, while undervolting (-10 on All core via Curve Optimizer) so I can get 5400MHz on all cores. I haven't tried -15 yet but I definitely want 5400MHz I also saw some people that were able to get 5600MHz via Curve Shaper. But I'm not sure if it's really advised lol

 

[nguyen]

I actually overclocked (+200MHz) via PBO, while undervolting (-10 on All core via Curve Optimizer) so I can get 5400MHz on all cores. I haven't tried -15 yet but I definitely want 5400MHz I also saw some people that were able to get 5600MHz via Curve Shaper. But I'm not sure if it's really advised lol

Have you checked the effective clocks? aggressive curve might not make system unstable but the performance is actually lowered due to lower effective clocks.

 

[JustBenching]

Yeah i get 5225mhz running all-core, in your case I think you need to use positive curve with +200mhz to increase the voltages (and increase power limits too)
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Is it stable in ycruncher?

 

[AVATARAT]

The more interesting question is whether it is stable with OCCT or Prime95 with SSE smallest fft

 

[persizi]

The more interesting question is whether it is stable with OCCT or Prime95 with SSE smallest fft

I would suggest CineBench R15 v15.0.3.7 Extreme Mod
For stability purposes the version is important to be v15.0.3.7 not v15.0.3.8 which is in the Benchmate.

 

[kDude]

You guys seen this new bios update?think its for asus only for now.Supposed to improve latency for gaming.