RTX 4070 or RX 7800XT if I have CPU Bottleneck?

[dgianstefani]

RT can be disabled in the menu of 90% of games. For stalker 2, you can disable it via the config file. Stalker 2 is also very poorly optimized and can be considered quite in a beta state, so it might be possible in the future that they add the possibility to disable it via the menu considering how performance intensive it is for the little benefit it gives in a, once again, so poorly optimized game.

Oh, the config file? Where doing so in games like Star Wars: Outlaws completely breaks them graphically despite technically being able to run? Haven't tested Stalker 2, but wouldn't be surprised if it was a similar situation. The config file that your average gamer will know about?

Interesting how we're already at "90%" from "all".

On a different note to OP: How about waiting for Blackwell and RDNA 4 instead of rushing to buy something now? Even if they turn out to be disappointing, at least they could drive prices down a bit.

Already suggested this on page 1.

 

[Shakallia]

Oh, the config file? Where doing so in games like Star Wars: Outlaws completely breaks them graphically despite technically being able to run? Haven't tested Stalker 2, but wouldn't be surprised if it was a similar situation. The config file that your average gamer will know about?

Interesting how we're already at "90%" from "all".


Already suggested this on page 1.

Well, for stalker 2 it works good, bring performance right up.

90% or 100%, point is for a vast majority of games, it can be manually disabled. And for those the settings is absent of the menu, you can add simple commands in the config file.

You cited 2 games, out of what, a potential several hundreds, and you think those 2 alone warrant buying a card for a setting the OP will probably not use ?

And you're gonna say in the future, more games might come ? Meaning in what , 2, 3, 4 or 5 years ? At that point he can buy another GPU as he stated he wanted to keep it a few years, IF its really needed...

 

[Vya Domus]

AMD has less driver overhead, 7800XT. An i7 6700 is still very underpowered though.

UE5 games use this by default and it often can't be turned off, even "old" UE5 like Stalker 2 (old as in its using an old version and started development many years ago).

No they don't and if they do they use a software version.

Can you name 10 UE5 games where RT can't be turned off ?

 

[Shakallia]

That could be a good idea as long as they don't need a card ASAP(if their current card still works).


Just because you can does not mean you should.

You totally missed the point. I'm replying with OP in mind. He's playing on 1080p on a 75hz display, he probaly isn't the kind of guy who care about RT, so he can disable it and use the 7800XT, which performs better out of RT.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You totally missed the point.

Yes, that got to be it..

he probaly isn't the kind of guy who care about RT

You're not a mind reader, you can't know that. The fact that they are debating both directly implies that RTRT is a factor in their decision. So you would be incorrect on face value of the OP's post.

 

[Shakallia]

Yes, that got to be it..


You're not a mind reader, you can't know that. The fact that they are debating both directly implies that RTRT is a factor in their decision. So you would be incorrect on face value of the OP's post.

I said "probably"(indicate a probability, not a 100% certain fact). Why ? Because usually players who uses RT are people playing on 2 or 4K with high end hardware, and players playing on 1080p mostly care about performance and not graphic fidelity.

The OP never mentioned RT at all, that's dgianstefani who brought RT up in favor of the 4070.

And yes, you totally missed the point, and the OP's message, which you probably did not read.

 

[freeagent]

Because usually players who uses RT are people playing on 2 or 4K with high end hardware,

I never turn RT off, and I play at 4K60 with my 4070TI. With some games I will use DLAA, works mint.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I said "probably"(indicate a probability, not a 100M% certain fact). Why ?

It's not even close to factual. It's your limited opinion only.

Because usually players who uses RT are people playing on 2 or 4K with high end hardware, and players playing on 1080p mostly care about performance and not graphic fidelity.

Also your very limited opinion with no basis in reality whatsoever.

The OP never mentioned RT at all

You're not paying attention. The OP said...

however the NVIDIA GPU has better features

...this.

that's @dgianstefani who brought RT up in favor of the 4070.

I also said this and I did so several posts before @dgianstefani ever stated a word about raytracing...

Maybe, that difference is likely minimal but they're more of PITA than Nvidia's driver. I'll take NVidia drivers over AMD drivers all day, any day.

@Pocok (Captain is it?)
I'm going to restate the recommendation for the 4070 in your situation. The reasons are simple, the 4070 is the better over all performer and 12GB of VRAM will not hold you back even if you upgrade to 4k display(s). The proof is in the rice pudding;

MSI GeForce RTX 4070 Ventus 3X Review

The MSI RTX 4070 Ventus 3X comes with a triple-fan, dual-slot design. Our review confirms that this is the most powerful cooler tested today, and the card runs extremely quiet, less than 30 dBA at full load. MSI is pricing their card at an MSRP of $600, which makes it an attractive choice for...

www.techpowerup.com

While that is the 3X review, the 2X is in the same ballpark, just runs a bit warmer.

Sapphire Radeon RX 7800 XT Nitro+ Review - Fantastic Overclocking

Sapphire's Radeon RX 7800 XT Nitro+ is the quietest RX 7800 XT reviewed today, it's virtually inaudible at full load thanks to its powerful cooler. The card is also the best overclocker, it gained a spectacular 15% in real-life performance, which makes it nearly as fast as RTX 4070 Ti.

www.techpowerup.com

These results speak for themselves. While the average FPS is higher for the Nitro+, the raytracing performance is not. The Ventus has the clear lead with RTRT, especially at 1080p where the difference is 14% on average. With many game devs employing raytracing at an increasing rate and many games getting updates to include it, the 4070 is going to be the better choice long term. If raytracing is not important to you, or not as important, the Nitro+ card is a factor and you just have to decide what you prefer.

Your 6700K is going to limit you somewhat, but not severely, until you upgrade your platform which should be your next upgrade. An Intel 9th or 10th gen as well as a Ryzen 7 2000 or 3000 should be solid upgrades. For something newer, an intel 12700K or Ryzen 5800X(5800X3D is a boss CPU) would be excellent choices, when the time comes to make that jump.

As with all upgrades, what you go for is dependent on what you want to do and what your expectations are. As always "It depends".

..thus.

So how about we let the OP chime in and tell us what is important to them and then more informed recommendations can be offered.

I never turn RT off, and I play at 4K60 with my 4070TI. With some games I will use DLAA, works mint.

Same here, but I'm at 1080p with an RTX3080. I don't use AA or DLSS at all though.

 

[eidairaman1]

I never turn RT off, and I play at 4K60 with my 4070TI. With some games I will use DLAA, works mint.

You also have a cpu from 2021/2022.

 

[Shakallia]

It's not even close to factual. It's your limited opinion only.

Also your very limited opinion with no basis in reality whatsoever.

You're not paying attention. The OP said...

...this.

I also said this and I did so several posts before @dgianstefani ever stated a word about raytracing...

..thus.

So how about we let the OP chime in and tell us what is important to them and then more informed recommendations can be offered.


Same here, but I'm on 1080p with an RTX3080. I don't use AA or DLSS at all though.

Its funny how you're attacking myself personnaly, and you keep replying beside the points.

You basically hijjacked the thread to go on a rant about RT, which the OP never mentionned. My opinions are based on my own experience on very diverse forums and game environment. Its as valid as anyone else's.

What you say can be summed up that way : "im right u wrong cuz RT is cool and all".

I won't reply to any other of your replies, nor wil I bother to read them, you seem immune to normal communication.

 

[freeagent]

You also have a cpu from 2021/2022.

Oh yeah.. whoops sorry

 

[Shakallia]

I never turn RT off, and I play at 4K60 with my 4070TI. With some games I will use DLAA, works mint.

You just proved my point. You play on 4K and uses high end hardware, like most RT users.

The OP plays on 1080p, with a 75 HZ display, and wants to keep his GPU 5 years...

So, RT is certainly not his main focus, considering how little it does, and how big a hit on performance.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Its funny how you're attacking myself personnaly, and you keep replying beside the points.

I'm taking issue with your nonsense statements. If I were attacking you personally, you would have no doubt of it.

My opinions are based on my own experience on very diverse forums and game environment. Its as valid as anyone else's.

My statements are based on decades of extensive professional experiences getting hands-on.

You just proved my point. You play on 4K and uses high end hardware, like most RT users.

The OP plays on 1080p, with a 75 HZ display, and wants to keep his GPU 5 years...

So, RT is certainly not his main focus, considering how little it does, and how big a hit on performance.

This reactionary ego based commenting is not helpful to the OP. Please stop.

 

[freeagent]

4070Ti and 58X3D is high end?

Looks midrange to me

 

[lexluthermiester]

4070Ti and 58X3D is high end?

Looks midrange to me

Upper mid range or lower top tier seems about right. Your CPU is only one generation old and your GPU is current.

 

[Krit]

4070Ti and 58X3D is high end?

Looks midrange to me

It's barely a midrange gpu with it's weak 192 bit bus width. The same as GTX 1060/RTX2060/RTX3060..... ~199-349$ msrp. That new garbage costs 800$.

 

[freeagent]

It's barely a midrange gpu with it's weak 192 bit bus width. The same as GTX 1060/RTX2060/RTX3060..... ~199-349$ msrp. That new garbage costs 800$.

Its better than yours

 

[Shakallia]

4070Ti and 58X3D is high end?

Looks midrange to me

Yes, it is high end. Its the 3rd best gaming CPU and the top 5 GPU.

The vast majority of players uses outdated hardware, so from a normal gamer perspective, its even more high end. If you check Steam data for exemple, you realize how thin is the percentage of players who can afford to pay 1k for a graphic card and 300+ for a CPU.

 

[freeagent]

The vast majority of players uses outdated hardware

Before AM4 I was rocking my Z77 with 3770K and GTX 980. I literally moved into the modern age within the last 4 years. I used a GTX 580 for 8 years, I know pain.

 

[owcraftsman]

Lots of great answers and debate going on here but it always amuses me when a thread goes on and on when the OP is no where to be found has 1 post and just joined. Scratching head....

 

[lexluthermiester]

I used a GTX 580 for 8 years, I know pain.

You're not alone.

Lots of great answers and debate going on here but it always amuses me when a thread goes on and on when the OP is no where to be found has 1 post and just joined. Scratching head....

Fair point. It's a classic example of how conversations can take on a life of their own. The OP most definitely has a lot of good info to take in.

 

[eidairaman1]

Lots of great answers and debate going on here but it always amuses me when a thread goes on and on when the OP is no where to be found has 1 post and just joined. Scratching head....

Are you Still on a lga 775 with a 280?

 

[Krit]

Its better than yours

Definatley yes but at what cost p/p. Product overall is good but it's the price that makes it so dumb. RTX 4070 Ti has around RX 7700 XT specs but it costs twice as much. Nvidia makes much more money on them than AMD or intel due to better architecture/efficiency.

 

[freeagent]

Definatley yes but at what cost p/p. Product overall is good but it's the price that makes it so dumb. RTX 4070 Ti has around RX 7700 XT specs but it costs twice as much. Nvidia makes much more money on them than AMD or intel due to better architecture/efficiency.

I was kidding, this time around I might go with AMD.. who knows.

We should try to get this ship back on course though, seeing some ice ahead.

 

[95Viper]

Thread has seemed to drift off topic
Also, the poor OP has not posted since the opening post.
If the OP wants an answer, they can ask for this to be opened for on topic answers.