Supply Constraints Plague AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU Stock, Relief Expected Soon

[Random_User]

Please, do not get angry on me. This is only some thoughts and opinion. But, I think, that this isn't much a problem of supply constrain, but the AMD being incapable/uninterested in securing the fair sale/purchase. If AMD would have restricted the one part per single buyer by address, whatever solution, but it had to be found.

The time has shown, that the price can be high, regardless of supply, since the scalpers can buy-out whatever amount is available on the market. Or the suppliers/distributors can be even worse than resellers/scalpers themselves.

On the other hand, AMD has either shown, that they will easilly restrict/reduse supply, in order to increase margins, like they did officially.

But yeah! If someone is able to buy this CPU for MSRP, then go, if not- then let these f***s keep this stuff, like the toilet paper hoarders.

 

[x4it3n]

Please, do not get angry on me. This is only some thoughts and opinion. But, I think, that this isn't much a problem of supply constrain, but the AMD being incapable/uninterested in securing the fair sale/purchase. If AMD would have restricted the one part per single buyer by address, whatever solution, but it had to be found.

The time has shown, that the price can be high, regardless of supply, since the scalpers can buy-out whatever amount is available on the market. Or the suppliers/distributors can be even worse than resellers/scalpers themselves.

On the other hand, AMD has either shown, that they will easilly restrict/reduse supply, in order to increase margins, like they did officially.

But yeah! If someone is able to buy this CPU for MSRP, then go, if not- then let these f***s keep this stuff, like the toilet paper hoarders.

FYI both AMD.com and Microcenter are limiting the sales to 1 per person! Also Microcenter only sells them in-person (I know that because I bought mine there directly since I couldn't buy one online).

I agree on the Scalpers part though! We should let them rot in hell lol

 

[Visible Noise]

AMD not meeting demand. Are they letting the interns run the company again?

 

[x4it3n]

AMD not meeting demand. Are they letting the interns run the company again?

The problem is not AMD... The problem is TSMC not being able to produce more chips due to almost 0 competition!
TSMC are now providing chips for almost everyone including Apple, Qualcomm, Nvidia, AMD and even Intel ! Both Samsung and Intel are completely being destroyed by TSMC ! And tbh that's pretty scary because if something happened over there in Taiwan the whole Industry (and World) would be in crisis! We definitely need Samsung & Intel to get back in the race ASAP.

 

[Visible Noise]

The problem is not AMD... The problem is TSMC not being able to produce more chips due to almost 0 competition!
TSMC are now providing chips for almost everyone including Apple, Qualcomm, Nvidia, AMD and even Intel ! Both Samsung and Intel are completely being destroyed by TSMC ! And tbh that's pretty scary because if something happened over there in Taiwan the whole Industry (and World) would be in crisis! We definitely need Samsung & Intel to get back in the race ASAP.

The problem is entirely AMD for not ordering enough. If your party runs out of pizzas is it the pizzeria’s fault or yours?

 

[x4it3n]

They might have been surprised by the success of the 9800X3D knowing that ZEN 5 CPUs didn't get much interest, so they might have not ordered enough chips right away but they recently asked TSMC to manufacture as many chips as possible so we'll see. But TSMC are at full capacity anyway so I don't think it's going to be a radical change yet, maybe in 1-2 months the 9800X3D will be on shelves everywhere.

 

[Visible Noise]

These were ordered six to twelve months ago, long before any Zen 5 CPUs shipped.

 

[x4it3n]

They made some pre-orders yes, but orders can change at any moment given how things go in the industry and what TSMC can or can't do for each company. Like I said, ZEN 5 didn't have a lot of success so those ZEN 5 3D chips were not supposed to be in very high demand either.

Imo the problem comes from Scalpers, so they should make the resale of chips impossible (for the first 2-3 months or so), or have a platform that takes care of all the reselling! It's the same for Sports events, Concerts, etc. there should be a platform dedicated to reselling and keeping things in order.

 

[mechtech]

Supply Constraints........

or

The Rules of Acquisition?

 

[x4it3n]

Supply Constraints........

or

The Rules of Acquisition?

In this case, I think both are at fault

 

[psydroid]

#DieScalpersDie#

the need is won..
the deed is done....
but the greed is eternal.....

The die has been cast.

 

[AcE]

Are you only testing gameplay here? Also, do you guarantee that the 9950X3D will show the same (d)effect like the 7950X3D?

It is literally the machine for game and GPU testing, so yes it's only for that. TPU never was about regular apps, I can directly tell you that as well.

The scheduling is what hurts the benchmark results, not really the chiplet; they shouldve invested time and money on a hardware scheduler if they plan to keep doing mixed chiplets for higher core count X3D variants. And no, dual vcache chiplets are not the answer.

If the rumors are true and 9950 / 9900X3D get the X3D cache on both chiplets, this issue with scheduler is over anyway, meaning the 9950X3D / 9900X3D won't have the same problems as their predecessors.

 

[rv8000]

It is literally the machine for game and GPU testing, so yes it's only for that. TPU never was about regular apps, I can directly tell you that as well.

If the rumors are true and 9950 / 9900X3D get the X3D cache on both chiplets, this issue with scheduler is over anyway, meaning the 9950X3D / 9900X3D won't have the same problems as their predecessors.

The rumors for the last 3 weeks have been same ccd config as 7900/7950X3d, and rightfully so as it serves no advantage having both be vcache ccds.

 

[AcE]

The rumors for the last 3 weeks have been same ccd config as 7900/7950X3d, and rightfully so as it serves no advantage having both be vcache ccds.

Not quite. As long as the scheduler doesn't work perfectly it is a advantage as then it doesn't matter which CCD the scheduler uses and it works perfectly. 2nd, 3DVCache on both chiplets can be used by apps that use more than just 8 cores and profit from all cores having more Cache.

 

[Visible Noise]

They made some pre-orders yes, but orders can change at any moment given how things go in the industry and what TSMC can or can't do for each company. Like I said, ZEN 5 didn't have a lot of success so those ZEN 5 3D chips were not supposed to be in very high demand either.

Imo the problem comes from Scalpers, so they should make the resale of chips impossible (for the first 2-3 months or so), or have a platform that takes care of all the reselling! It's the same for Sports events, Concerts, etc. there should be a platform dedicated to reselling and keeping things in order.

Orders cannot change ”at any moment”. It takes three months to manufacture a CPU.

 

[rv8000]

Not quite. As long as the scheduler doesn't work perfectly it is a advantage as then it doesn't matter which CCD the scheduler uses and it works perfectly. 2nd, 3DVCache on both chiplets can be used by apps that use more than just 8 cores and profit from all cores having more Cache.

Outside of gaming there are very few consumer workloads that are going to take advantage of the 3d cache, that and jumping across ccds is the bigger penalty which will still happen without better scheduling - they should have spent time on a hardware scheduler. A mixed ccd chip with a hardware scheduler would be a superior solution for a non specialized cpu.

 

[Hankieroseman]

You can get a 7950x for less with 8 extra cores. Most use cases going to be gpu bottlenecked anyway in the real world. Better off upgrading gpu before buying 9800x3d. Over hyped.

I can testify to the awesomeness of either 7950X and 9800X3D paired with RTX4090. You could probably imagine the RTX5090(DP2.1) upgrade paired with a 57 inch Samsung G95 Odyssey monitor for the flight simulator.

 

[x4it3n]

Orders cannot change ”at any moment”. It takes three months to manufacture a CPU.

Orders are usually made years or months before yes, but orders can also be adjusted depending on the market. It's not like AMD were asking TSMC to make some changes to the chips! TSMC are already manufacturing the chips so it's just about adjusting productivity & capacity.

 

[Baba]

Microcenters by me reloading every other day. At least 50 in stock right now. It appears they are selling well but also restocking constantly.

 

[x4it3n]

Microcenters by me reloading every other day. At least 50 in stock right now. It appears they are selling well but also restocking constantly.

Yup! I got mine last Sunday at the Tustin, CA store! The guy told me they had 83 available, but it was already gone the next day! They had a restock on Monday evening and back on shelves the next day.

They're even in stock right now!

 

[Visible Noise]

Orders are usually made years or months before yes, but orders can also be adjusted depending on the market. It's not like AMD were asking TSMC to make some changes to the chips! TSMC are already manufacturing the chips so it's just about adjusting productivity & capacity.

What aren’t you understanding? Adjusting productively and capacity? Do you have slightest clue about manufacturing anything? Do you think items are manufactured when you order them from Amazon or something??

Go to your local furniture store and for a different color fabric on a chair. Your wait time will be two months to stable cloth to a piece of wood. Do you think you can change semiconductor manufacturing faster than that?

 

[x4it3n]

What aren’t you understanding? Adjusting productively and capacity? Do you have slightest clue about manufacturing anything? Do you think items are manufactured when you order them from Amazon or something??

Go to your local furniture store and for a different color fabric on a chair. Your wait time will be two months to stable cloth to a piece of wood. Do you think you can change semiconductor manufacturing faster than that?

I know that making a chip takes some time and can't be done in a few days, but all companies adjust their orders depending on if they need more or less! Also TSMC did manufacture a lot of chips, a lot of them are still in factories or being dispatched/shipped. It's not like there's no 9800X3D available on the market either. It will get better in a few weeks and Q1 2025 for sure.

 

[Baba]

The problem is not AMD... The problem is TSMC not being able to produce more chips due to almost 0 competition!
TSMC are now providing chips for almost everyone including Apple, Qualcomm, Nvidia, AMD and even Intel ! Both Samsung and Intel are completely being destroyed by TSMC ! And tbh that's pretty scary because if something happened over there in Taiwan the whole Industry (and World) would be in crisis! We definitely need Samsung & Intel to get back in the race ASAP.

They're expanding fabs all the time. Arizona 5nm fab has finished or is about to finish. They're also retooling fabs for more advanced nodes as needed.

Apple, Qualcomm, and Nvidia use different nodes and they don't interfere with AMD's allocation. Apple is fully on 3nm and 2025 will be their last year on regular 3nm. They're moving to 3D chip stacking 3nm in 2025 for M5 chips. I don't know who's competing with AMD for 4nm line.

 

[Random_User]

FYI both AMD.com and Microcenter are limiting the sales to 1 per person! Also Microcenter only sells them in-person (I know that because I bought mine there directly since I couldn't buy one online).

I agree on the Scalpers part though! We should let them rot in hell lol

Unfortunately, both AMD.com, and Micro Center, are basically US/NA-only thing. For other parts of the world, especially outside EU (included), the AMD store page leads to the list of no-less scummy official "partners", and "distributors", which are blatantly and openly sell the AMD stuff for exorbitant prices. Like RX7600 for $400, or 9800X3D for $720+. Seems like great advertisement.
Again, these are official distributors, chosen and recommended by AMD themselves.

 

[x4it3n]

Unfortunately, both AMD.com, and Micro Center, are basically US/NA-only thing. For other parts of the world, especially outside EU (included), the AMD store page leads to the list of no-less scummy official "partners", and "distributors", which are blatantly and openly sell the AMD stuff for exorbitant prices. Like RX7600 for $400, or 9800X3D for $720+. Seems like great advertisement.
Again, these are official distributors, chosen and recommended by AMD themselves.

Yeah I noticed, my family is in Europe too and when I check the prices online it's kinda scary... 800-900€ for an 8c/16t CPU