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What?compute PissX
What?compute PissX
He's talking about hybrid PhysX...What?
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UE5 at that. Seen some reviews and it runs UE4 games just fine.Wondering if the relative lack of performance in Unreal based titles is something that will be overcome or a fundamental architecural issue with how the Unreal game engine + Xe work together.
Silent Hill 2 and Black Myth Wukong for example both show how the B580 slips to being noticably slower than the RTX 4060 and more level with the AMD RX 7600 offerings.
Doesn't bode well for Stalker 2, or the upcoming Witcher 4 game. Would also impact Hellblade, Deliver Us Moon/Mars, etc.... Hoping Intel driver team can figure that one out.
Fair enough - that'll mean the Hellblade (1), and Deliver Us titles would be OK then, as would older UE games.UE5 at that. Seen some reviews and it runs UE4 games just fine.
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But I must ask, are there any visible improvements brought by this forced RT?I know most people say that RT is not relevant in this segment, but isnt it possible that more games like the new Indiana Jones will pop up in years to came? The game simply wont run without RT hardware. At this moment this B580 should be more future-proof then the competition in that reagard. Or is this a moot point?
Every now and then, I like to replay the Arkham games and those are infected with PhyX, to the point that only having a Ngreedia GPU in the system will enable them and yes, some of us (and all consoles) only have AMD hardware and cant see all the eye candy, especially in Arkham Knight.To be fair most games now do multicore PhysX instead of GPU but there are some older ones that will still use GPU - in that case to be honest an older Kepler/Maxwell card would be more than enough to act as the PhysX card.
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See response above.Maybe we will see another era of secondary GPUs in computers. Just like some 12-14 years ago, someone would buy GPU to compute PissX, whereas primary GPU was used for anything else.
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Maybe it cuts production time a bit if you don't have to generate/include/place shaders, also maybe download size, because it's rendered in real time (certainly unsure if that's true)But I must ask, are there any visible improvements brought by this forced RT?
I have seen plenty of samples were someone has to point out if and were the damned RT effect is it, besides the performance hit.
Games this "early" already demanding RT hardware is a bad precedence, unless somehow they have managed to include it without tanking performance.
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Possible yes, but looking at the flop sales numbers for Indiana Jones I think a lot of publisher will wonder if RT-only is the right strategy. Why block a vast majority of the userbase from buying your game?but isnt it possible that more games like the new Indiana Jones will pop up in years to came
Supposedly you don't have to hack it anymore - it's no longer blocked by nvidia drivers (still need a 'display'/dummy connected for adapter to be active). I suspect that's more to do with the fact that most laptops (even at the higher end) may still use CPU iGPU as primary display controller and then pass-thru the dGPU for gaming. It would be hypocritical to design for / support such a hardware implementation by Nvidia and then block certain software from functioning because of the same supported configuration. Also by mid-2010s most games were not bothering with GPU physx as all the consoles were not using Nvidia for anything and were happy to leverage muti-core CPU implementations.I tried once to recreate the old ways of having a Ngreedia gpu just for PhyX and an AMD one as a main (remember how back in the day, Ngreedia went to the extreme of disabling your GPU if their drivers detected an AMD GPU in the same system? fun times) and it was as bad as it was back then. Couldn't do it because the Ngreedia GPU would deactivate itself if it was primary or had a dummy adapter connected to one of its ports.
Welcome to the great Nvidia RT con. By the way, why can't we get RT vs gen ras comparisons for AAA games that come out with RT options in the same way that you compare DLSS vs. XeSS vs. FSR? If we are all to care so much about RT, shouldn't we have side by side screenshot comparisons for different games as they are released with RT on and off? You are very good at these kinds of comparisons so it would be really nice to know how much better a particular game looks with and without RT and get an idea of whether our game enjoyment will increase (thus justifying the extra premium we pay for GPUs nowadays).Possible yes, but looking at the flop sales numbers for Indiana Jones I think a lot of publisher will wonder if RT-only is the right strategy. Why block a vast majority of the userbase from buying your game?
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TPU's usual selection, same as here for the Arc A770.Which compute applications would you like to see tests with?
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I meant it other way. Nvidia can't restrict RT capabilities, as it's part of DX12. Maybe to see enough improvement in graphics in games devs will need to implement RT on much wider scale. It is a situation which will be much more demanding on RT cores. So maybe ... primary GPU for rendering, secondary for RT computing? Just like with PissX back then.See response above.
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AMD's track record would suggest otherwise. their $300 and below GPUs have consistently been dissapointig lately, aside from the 6650xt.It's a good card if it's sold for a lower price than its direct competitors, but it's an entry-level card for 1080p only, nothing more, competing with the RTX 4060/4060Ti and Radeon 7600XT.
But it's very likely that when the Radeon RDNA4 comes out (which will be launched in early 2025), Intel's new VGAs will lose their cost-benefit once again.
Which compute applications would you like to see tests with?
I doubt the flop sales are from RT, much more likely it's from Disney's culture war that has utterly obliterated any fanbase for Marvel or Lucasfilm properties. As more of the writing was revealed to be modern slop, enthusiasm for the title quickly dissipated.Possible yes, but looking at the flop sales numbers for Indiana Jones I think a lot of publisher will wonder if RT-only is the right strategy. Why block a vast majority of the userbase from buying your game?
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I checked and 6700 XT goes for $320 to 360 on eBay. What pricing do you see?Very similar to a 6700xt, which you can get for slightly less money
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This begs the question: What did LTT do differently?
Since B580 goes up in ranking at higher resolution, does that mean driver overhead or some such at lower resolution? Too tired to peruse through 9 pages of comments to see anybody else asked this already.
Fair enough..Different and fewer games, also used Vulkan in some of them.
I really wish people would stop with the asinine name-calling.He's talking about hybrid PhysX...
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If it weren't guaranteed to get me LQ'd to hell and back, I'd be sorely tempted to respond to any instance of "M$" or "Ngreedia", etc. with a clip of the How I Met Your Mother cast making fart noises.I really wish people would stop with the asinine name-calling.
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I checked and 6700 XT goes for $320 to 360 on eBay. What pricing do you see?
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Great VFM. If they manage to have reliable drivers and less games that drop performance like a rock ti will sell well. Thing is, they cannot make many of those in that price without having problems with their profit margins. I hope I am wrong and they make millions of those that will help push AMD and nVidia to drop their prices also.
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I misunderstood your original comment.I meant it other way. Nvidia can't restrict RT capabilities, as it's part of DX12. Maybe to see enough improvement in graphics in games devs will need to implement RT on much wider scale. It is a situation which will be much more demanding on RT cores. So maybe ... primary GPU for rendering, secondary for RT computing? Just like with PissX back then.
Funny enough, that seems to trigger people that are fans of the mentioned brand/corporation.I really wish people would stop with the asinine name-calling.
My curiosity is, how low can a company go, price wise, before it’s considered illegal price dumping?I'm not convinced profit margins on ARC matter that much to Intel at present.
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I'm not convinced profit margins on ARC matter that much to Intel at present. PC graphics looks for all the world like bonus money for all three players, who see HPC as the profit generator for GPU compute. Nvidia may basically own the space, but it's a space that's growing. Where there's growth, there's opportunity to snag share. ARC may simply be a way to salvage some revenue while Intel gets the architecture and ecosystem sorted for the real work: large-scale AI.