nvidia gpu market share takes over 90% in Q4 2024 (Get's closer to full monopoly)

[leonavis]

RX6000 was actually competitive. AMD made almost no profit out of it and people bought Nvidia anyway.

This ain't AMD's fault.

 

[taka]

He didn't he promised it as a future upgrade. And that's it. You're warping reality.

Software and hardware must come as a pack not wait for it after buy. Do you people buy your stuff then wait for OS/Firmware/Drivers?

 

[AcE]

Software and hardware must come as a pack not wait for it after buy. Do you people buy your stuff then wait for OS/Firmware/Drivers?

So you're buying a GPU for frame generation? Alright.

 

[leonavis]

Software and hardware must come as a pack not wait for it after buy. Do you people buy your stuff then wait for OS/Firmware/Drivers?

There's a difference between "Coming soon" and "Announcing today".

 

[taka]

So you're buying a GPU for frame generation? Alright.

Never used DLSS or FSR and never will, trash image for my eyes.

There's a difference between "Coming soon" and "Announcing today".

That's AMD Radeon story "overpromise and underdeliver" not my fault. If you know something it's not ready don't launch. Or at least dont talk about it.

 

[wolf]

This ain't AMD's fault.

But as has accurately been pointed out in this thread, there is a hell of a lot more AMD can do to increase their market share.

Undercutting Nvidia by 0-15% and having half assed or half baked features ain't it. The VRAM benefit is probably the biggest current advantage, but they can certainly be doing more or doing it better. I'd absolutely love for my next high end video card to be a Radeon, they just need to make, advertise and sell products that more people want to buy.

From what I gather they've gotten at least part of the memo, with the reported increases in RT perf and direction for FSR4, if they manage to actually execute at launch like B580 (features, specs, performance and a sharp price), they'll fly off shelves and everyone will be positively talking about it.

 

[AcE]

Never used DLSS or FSR and never will, trash image for my eyes.

Interesting, why are you then stressing that "Radeon is bad because FSR 3 wasn't on point", for some tech you're not even using? Your argument makes literally below 0 sense. In the same vein, I'm not gonna believe your RX 570 was faulty, as well.

But as has accurately been pointed out in this thread, there is a hell of a lot more AMD can do to increase their market share.

They can't and they won't cause their main business is CPUs, they care 20% as much about Radeon as they care about Ryzen. And datacenter is like 70% of what AMD in general cares about.

 

[wolf]

They can't and they won't

Then that's on them, not on Nvidia.

Interesting, why are you then stressing that "Radeon is bad because FSR 3 wasn't on point", for some tech you're not even using? Your argument makes literally below 0 sense.

Its a valid point in that it was a knee jerk reactive announcement to something that took many months to materialise. At the time it reeked of being caught offgaurd but trying to do damage control against nvidia announcing the feature by saying they were doing it too.

 

[AcE]

Then that's on them, not on Nvidia.

Not really, you can't sustain both markets when all you buy is 1 company, which is TSMC. They don't get enough wafers, it's simple, or they don't have the money to invent better stuff for GPU consumer solely. Maybe it will improve with UDNA, maybe not. I have already explained in #41 that AMD and other half-hearted companies won't compete with Nvidia who are all-in, in GPUs. You expect too much.

Its a valid point

It's not. He stressed AMD is bad because it didn't have feature he doesn't even use. That's dishonest at best. He simply got no point then. Nobody who doesn't want to use feature X decries the same in an wannabe argument later to talk down a company. Stay honest.

 

[wolf]

Not really

Disagree, AMD could prioritise GPU's, they don't. I very much understand why, but they could actively make moves to increase market share with the current hand they've been dealt. like not kicking own goals in marketing and at launch.

It's not

Well then consider it my point if that's the part that breaks it for you. I think upscaling is great. However I believe it's possible to make valid points and arguments around a companies actions despite not wanting to use a particular feature, those two things are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

 

[leonavis]

They can't and they won't cause their main business is CPUs, they care 20% as much about Radeon as they care about Ryzen. And datacenter is like 70% of what AMD in general cares about.

Which is just logical, since gaming makes them very little money. As stated: RX6000 made almost no profit though being highly competitive. People still rather bought Nvidia. And, granted, with RTX4000 and Nvidia switching to TSMC, AMD just got crushed, at least in High-End.

Fighting an uphill-battle when you can make lots of profit instead focusing on CPUs (either desktop or datacenter) would be rather dumb, wouldn't you agree? Waste of ressources, actually. AMD tried, the customer decides and they decided they want a monopoly. That's not good for the customer on the long run, but it is what happened.

That's AMD Radeon story "overpromise and underdeliver" not my fault. If you know something it's not ready don't launch. Or at least dont talk about it.

It was an announcment. Did they actually state coming soon or something? If not, your criticism is kinda strange.

From what I gather they've gotten at least part of the memo, with the reported increases in RT perf and direction for FSR4, if they manage to actually execute at launch like B580 (features, specs, performance and a sharp price), they'll fly off shelves and everyone will be positively talking about it.

I don't think so. The last few years most people just bought Nvidia, no matter what. I don't think that's gonna change any time soon.

 

[wolf]

I don't think so. The last few years most people just bought Nvidia, no matter what. I don't think that's gonna change any time soon

The big ship takes a long time to turn, but it can and will if AMD do better. So much steam is lost right at launches where it's either botched or just misses it's mark generating excitement, and even with subsequent price drops the damage is already done. Even if for example nvidia countered a given launch with a price drop, those AMD products are still seen and talked about positively and tend to sell well relatively speaking and live on in hearts and minds. That all adds up over time.

 

[AcE]

Disagree, AMD could prioritise GPU's, they don't.

They can't, cause AMDs main business is CPUs, go read #41.

Well then consider it my point

No, this isn't about you. And your remarks are off the point.

Which is just logical, since gaming makes them very little money. As stated: RX6000 made almost no profit though being highly competitive. People still rather bought Nvidia

Wasn't the problem. Margins are low, AMD sold everything they had with RX 6000, maybe you forgot: RX 6000 was in corona + mining crises, so everything was always outsold. AMD used expensive TSMC node, Nvidia used the cheaper Samsung node. On top, Nvidia sold their stuff with higher pricing, aside from RTX 3080, maybe. RTX 3070 competed with a bigger chip of AMD, 6800. Stuff like that.

Fighting an uphill-battle when you can make lots of profit instead focusing on CPUs (either desktop or datacenter) would be rather dumb, wouldn't you agree?

So you basically agree with what I said in #41.

I don't think so. The last few years most people just bought Nvidia, no matter what. I don't think that's gonna change any time soon.

Agreed, maybe it will change with UDNA, RDNA4 won't change anything. Intel is fully irrelevant anyway.

 

[wolf]

They can't, cause AMDs main business is CPUs, go read #41.

I'll agree to disagree here, because I can tell you've already made up your mind, and I did read 41.

No, this isn't about you. And your remarks are off the point.

From my perspective so are yours, you're trying to invalidate an argument because it doesn't meet a specific criteria you set, and claim that makes it null. I disagree.

 

[Caring1]

Software and hardware must come as a pack not wait for it after buy. Do you people buy your stuff then wait for OS/Firmware/Drivers?

Nvidia consumers do.

 

[AcE]

I'll agree to disagree here,

Does it matter? AMD's main business IS CPUs, it's a fact, you can disagree all you want here, I don't care, sorry.

From my perspective so are yours

Which makes zero sense, and I won't go into it with you. The guy doesn't even bother to defend his own dishonest "point", so it's lost anyway. Try to make sense for once, tbh.

 

[leonavis]

So you basically agree with what I said in #41.

well yes. ^^

This video from a year ago sums it up quite nicely. Well done with numbers and all. GPU seem to make basically no profits at all, what AMD gets from gaming are mostly APUs (SteamDeck, PS5, Xbox and so on). Investing heavily into a profit-less branch is only an option if you have no other choice. But AMD does, they are leading in CPUs. So yeah, we're very much in agreement here.

 

[wolf]

sorry

Oh well, next time perhaps!

 

[AcE]

well yes. ^^

This video from a year ago sums it up quite nicely. Well done with numbers and all. GPU seem to make basically no profits at all, what AMD gets from gaming are mostly APUs (SteamDeck, PS5, Xbox and so on). Investing heavily into a profit-less branch is only an option if you have no other choice. But AMD does, they are leading in CPUs. So yeah, we're very much in agreement here.

It's also pretty astonishing that despite their cost-saving measures, not too big GPUs, mixing 5nm with 6nm, only using 5nm as low as possible, it's still bad margins. I guess Nvidia margins are just good because of high prices with smaller chips, like RTX 4080 is a mid-sized chip but super expensive, 4090 super expensive, 4060 is small, under 200mm², 4070s aren't big - the only which doesn't make big profits is perhaps 4070 Ti Super, but it still makes some. GPU market is just a very hard market in general, no wonder it's only 2 companies since decades now. In CPUs there's a lot of companies nowadays, it's just not that hard and streamlined on top.

 

[Zach_01]

Software and hardware must come as a pack not wait for it after buy. Do you people buy your stuff then wait for OS/Firmware/Drivers?

They do... No I don't...

The times that I had games crashed or system reboot when I was running 5700XT for 4 years I did not wait for new drivers.
I just decrease the CPU OC (PBO/CO) and DRAM frequency. And magically everything was smooth.
Prior to 5700XT had an RX580 for a few years. 0 issues.
Now a 7900XTX for almost 1 year. 0 issues.

This "driver" thingy is too long in mouths like a stinky candy that never ends.
Its too stinky by now and highly inaccurate.

Your old RX570 was new? And if yes is it possible that was a defective one?
I know a PC that runs an RX560 for 7 years now with 0 issues.

Enough is enough. Swallow the unfair BS(candy) or spit it...

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The GPU situation today: Bad
Its also unfair to point and blame on nVidia alone.
Far too many factors in.

nVidia's R&D is the entire worth of AMD as a company. Maybe more...
Yes nVidia builds and follows practices for many years now that are at least unfair. Like someone said before.
Mindshare (about nVidia's superiority and AMD "bad" drivers)
AMD with limited funds for GPU cant keep up on features (not raw performance). A company cant do 2 different developments just as good, at the same time when you dont have the right persons at the right place, and loads of funds. AMD was nowhere 10years back while nVidia keep building momentum for far longer.
AMD bad pricing and marketing(developed expectations)
AMD keep circling around on GPU architectures. Ryzens are the nVidia GPUs equivalent. Developed for the professional industry and brought down to individual consumers. Its the dominant practice today and AMD decided to follow it (hope the last and final turn) with future UDNA.
Covid
Crypto-mining

I'm sure there is more...

 

[AcE]

This "driver" thingy is too long in mouths like a stinky candy that never ends.
Its too stinky by now and highly inaccurate.

It's 99% bs anyway. As soon as there's problem with a PC containing Nvidia it's everyone's fault, but Nvidias. As soon as the PC with Radeon has a issue, the fault is firmly Radeon, nothing else will be considered, the fault is instantanously Radeon and never anything else. That's how oblivious and biased a lot of people are, not all of them, of course, but I saw this kind of behavior way too many times. This goes so far that I heard rumours about AMD considering changing the name of a old and legendary brand (Radeon) just to get rid of this bs. The reason why they made the "AMD" so big on Radeon cards is also this - to make it more a "AMD" product, which has good rep, and less a Radeon, with too many people tarnishing its rep whether by accidental or intentional lying. AMD also doesn't know how to get rid of this stink, perfect drivers are impossible, nobody has perfect drivers, and the community is highly unwilling to be forgiving towards Radeon. To the contrary, Nvidia is highly protected and never the issue, Intel delivers a mediocre product way too late (2 years +) and it's celebrated for nothing, despite not being great. The Intel drivers are still the worst, I bet, but people are willing to close both eyes, while Radeon is hypercritisised for everything, often for things that are the users fault or the fault of different hardware/software.

The ironic fact here is, that Radeon drivers improved dramatically with RDNA2, that's 4 years ago now. AMD is held to different standards + is everyones scapegoat. Well then, people will enjoy their monopoly soon, higher prices than ever. It's exactly what they wanted.

 

[iuliug]

Good thing Intel getting into the mix as NVIDIA exits the gaming market in the next few years.

Why would they exit a monopoly? You would make a bad capitalist.

 

[Krit]

This "driver" thingy is too long in mouths like a stinky candy that never ends.
Its too stinky by now and highly inaccurate.

I also does not like when people are talking about something what they even doesn't know and never have known. It's just a BS most of the time if you have owned a product 10 years ago and have some opinion on that don't apply it to the current latest product because it's something completely different.

 

[eidairaman1]

100% and not so many even have tried 6000/7000 series drivers on them are about the same as nvidias. I would say not all but some of amd gpus are definitely priced too high.

Keep in mind AMD is not a charity company either, gotta make a profit to stay in business

Why would they exit a monopoly? You would make a bad capitalist.

Nv found a bigger cash cow is why

I also does not like when people are talking about something what they even doesn't know and never have known. It's just a BS most of the time if you have owned a product 10 years ago and have some opinion on that don't apply it to the current latest product because it's something completely different.

Nv are having bad drivers as well. but yeah that stigma of amd's being bad is just fucking stupid on their part.

 

[kapone32]

I love people blaming AMD for the pricing increase when we live in a distributor's World. It is obvious that this is true in terms of market share, but is it all really Gamers buying GPUs? I guess all the noise about AMD being so weak at RT and FSR looking so much worse than DLSS had an effect. Enjoy it when GPUs become like ASICs and cost more than the average person is willing to pay. It will be so confusing when a 8GB card is released for $500 US with 8GB of VRAM during COVID but then they raised prices the very next generation after Etherium changed their algorythim as well.. Wait that already happened. Everyone loving the 580 from Intel while all TPU benchmarks show that the 7700XT is a much faster 12GB card. Too bad it is from AMD so the arguments have people buying GPUs for more money than they should and people calling people idiots for choosing AMD. I wish all of this was true and indeed I could have bought my 7900XT for $200 US. Of course the typical AMD bashing has ensued in every single Nvidia focused thread. I was wondering what NV Clean Install is and why people use it?

What no one seems to remember is that Nvidia are being investigated by the Govt for it's GPU sales, among other things. We will go on though giving them a pass even though. I expect this post to be deleted but I am used to TPU bias.

So Congrats on achieving Market Share, now tell all of those AMD and Intel users to stop lying about the performance as Nvidia is the undisputed king. Until you go to a brick and mortar and see the 3050 for$500 US and then ask the clerk "Why are there no AMD GPUs" to a response of the 7600XT is cheaper than the 3050 so that is what people bought for 10GB more VRAM. The fact that a retailer can charge that for a 3050 and less for a 7600XT show how deeply entrenched the mindshare is but it is all Spy vs Spy from Mad Magazine.