Windows 11 - Do you like it? (with poll)

[TSiAhmat]

If you use the non-N version you ain't allowed in Windows 11 to uninstall Edge.

This is why there are various github scripts that tries to.

Is the LTSC 24H2 Version of Windows 11 considered a N Version? A minute ago i uninstalled Edge on my Laptop successfully. Also uninstalled it on my desktop with Windows 11 Pro 4~5 Months ago.

 

[Shou Miko]

Is the LTSC 24H2 Version of Windows 11 considered a N Version? A minute ago i uninstalled Edge on my Laptop successfully. Also uninstalled it on my desktop with Windows 11 Pro 4~5 Months ago.

LTSC is special, because normally you have to choose "N" to install it to get this version of Windows 11

For the non-N you cannot just uninstall Edge.

 

[TSiAhmat]

LTSC is special, because normally you have to choose "N" to install it to get this version of Windows 11
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For the non-N you cannot just uninstall Edge.

Hmm interesting, have to check which version I have at home, will edit this post.

Thanks for letting me know about Windows N, wasn't even aware it was a thing.

 

[xrobwx71]

As I've stated here and in other forums my experience with Win 11 specifically 24H2 on multiple machines and configs, I have no negative issues.

 

[lexluthermiester]

If you use the non-N version you ain't allowed in Windows 11 to uninstall Edge.

True, it depends on the installation source & location, but it's still doable.

 

[TechBuyingHavoc]

As someone who loves Windows 7 and still runs it on a few of his systems, yes 10 is a crap-show compared to 7. However, 11 is not. 11 is a turn back in the right direction. It's not perfect by any means, but after it's debloated and tweak just right, it is joy to work with.

I don't get how you can say that and believe it. Windows 11 has had some horrendous bugs for its updates. Maybe 10 also had bugs in its early history but that is not a turn in the right direction for 11.

Windows 11 drops a whole bunch of compatibility for very old programs, so I am losing a discrete feature but not gaining anything obvious. The bloat in 11 is a larger quantity than 10 has, there is a lot more telemetry for example. Finally, the UI is even further locked down in 11, you can't move the taskbar around.

 

[Steevo]

Windows 7 was the pinnacle of MS, it was stable, great performance, light on resources and didn't look and feel like a MAC OS with included binky. The utilities that worked for years to improve features worked and integrated flawlessly.

Windows 11 is a pile of garbage with features that I uninstall to install the classic "app", while it does offer some performance improvements the injection of "AI" and data mining is unwelcome, the still very poor file search, The audio experience is awful, "HDR" is a joke and attempting to use any "cast" built into Windows is a joke, while my Iphone and Samsung do it just fine to all the TVs in our house, the explorer bugs (you want to use your taskbar.... get use to using the key or don't maximize windows) and random odd explorer restarts, DWM is a steaming pile of garbage that will have some security holes if I had the time to find and exploit them, I now have a password, but that wasn't secure enough so use a 4 digit pin, and now I also have a passkey? Constant updates that undo system settings and reminders about carbon.... the inability to have a stable RS232 connection, the now multiple layers deep disk partitioning that is still a FAT32 boot partition????? Also, you might not be able to delete the system partition even in command line dskpart, you will be required to download software from other companies to fix truly broken disks. Your boot partition is big enough to contain backups of the core OS that COULD be used to boot completely from in the event of data corruption of the recovery partition and or your OS due to say dropping a laptop or it running while bouncing in your lap in the car but nah. I could go on but most of this stuff can be changed during or after installation.

My last gripe, is they took WMC away, it used to actually work very well, Play a game on one screen with KB/M head phones and mic, another screen watching netflix/hulu/tv using WMC remote and 5.1 Surround and no interruptions while recording live TV shows on your capture card.

 

[Timbaloo]

I just installed Windows 11 24H2 in QEMU/KVM on Linux. I had to do some work on configuring the VM that were beyond of what I would normally have to do. But that was freebird compared to the Windows 11 installation process itself... Like how do you guys accept such an abysmal installation process to begin with? And then you have to tell the installer to "don't require internet access for the installation" and disconnect the internet connection just to install without having to sign up with a microsoft account? Are you f***ing kidding me? You guys pay money for that shit? Really???

 

[windwhirl]

And then you have to tell the installer to "don't require internet access for the installation" and disconnect the internet connection just to install without having to sign up with a microsoft account

I have a 365 subscription plus my license is tied to my account, so I always sign in with a Microsoft account. There's just no real downside for me in particular

 

[INSTG8R]

The only initial issue I had was my TrackIR didn't work but they kicked it up a notch and have released 2 new drivers recently so it works again(their previous driver was from 2019) tho ironically these days I am using VR instead of TrackIR where it's possible. But that was literally the ONLY thing I took issue with with Win11, Oh and I guess as a minor issue thier stupid Auto HDR that caused nothing but problems in my case

 

[Timbaloo]

I have a 365 subscription plus my license is tied to my account, so I always sign in with a Microsoft account. There's just no real downside for me in particular

You don't see the downsides anymore. You're already "subscribed" to the business model. Godspeed.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I don't get how you can say that and believe it.

Simple, I judge it by it's merits. I do not however judge it...

Windows 11 has had some horrendous bugs for its updates.

...by things like this. Why? Simple, Windows update has ALWAYS been problematic. Windows 10 was especially riddled with screw ups and bungling on the part of microsoft. The update have nothing to do with the usability of the OS.

Maybe 10 also had bugs in its early history but that is not a turn in the right direction for 11.

Wrong. Windows 10 has had far more problems than 11 has year on year comparatively.

Windows 11 drops a whole bunch of compatibility for very old programs

Total moose muffins. One of the reason I love Windows 11 is the fact that microsoft fixed or brought back many of the compatibility aspect they took out from the jump from 7 to 10. It's not perfect, true, but it's much better than 10 ever was.

The bloat in 11 is a larger quantity than 10 has

Also wrong. It's exactly the same level of bloat, it just works a bit differently and is just as easily disabled.

there is a little more telemetry for example.

Fixed that for you. Again, easily disabled.

Finally, the UI is even further locked down in 11

More moose muffins. This is another aspect I like about 11, the UI is much more customizable than 10 was.

you can't move the taskbar around.

Ok that part is true, but really, who cares? And there is a technical reason they did that so it's not a big deal.

If you're going to spout things out, make sure they are within the realm of reality first, eh?

I have a 365 subscription plus my license is tied to my account, so I always sign in with a Microsoft account. There's just no real downside for me in particular

Except the privacy invasiveness aspect..

 

[windwhirl]

You don't see the downsides anymore. You're already "subscribed" to the business model. Godspeed.

Oh, don't worry, I will be quick to bitch about whatever bothers me. It's just that that one particular aspect of Windows doesn't bother me in particular.

*That said,* it does bother me when I go setup some other machine that is not my own. And I do not appreciate seeing my workplace's machine with a fullscreen ad telling me to upgrade to Windows 11. It was kind of "meh" the first time it happened, and I'd just chalk it up to Microsoft spreading awareness or whatever. Seeing it for a second and third time really annoyed me.

EDIT: It's been so long since I've had to actually install Windows that I forgot, but holy shit I hate the stupid useless apps and games that come built-in. Candy Crush, the dumb video editor and some other stuff.

Except the privacy invasiveness aspect..

Well, that's more of a principle thing than actual negative effects that I can measure without bringing in benchmarks or some other kind of tool.

I *am* in the Insider Program. That means I'm sort of looking to contribute telemetry.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I *am* in the Insider Program. That means I'm sort of looking to contribute telemetry.

And that's a fair point.

 

[Guwapo77]

Haven't people always hated Microsoft?

Practically WinME and IE6 were the only things I stayed away from on my own machines.

No, MS wasn't always hated. There was a time we had to play Duke Nukem on DOS. When Windows 3.1 came along...it was a godsend.

 

[TechBuyingHavoc]

No, MS wasn't always hated. There was a time we had to play Duke Nukem on DOS. When Windows 3.1 came along...it was a godsend.

Windows 95 was pretty universally loved as well. Windows 98 was a plain simple upgrade over 95, no real negatives.

That was a different Microsoft.

 

[ManofGod]

Windows 95 was pretty universally loved as well. Windows 98 was a plain simple upgrade over 95, no real negatives.

That was a different Microsoft.

And this was a time when OS/2 on the PC was better, overall. Also, the Amiga was good for gaming but Commodore killed it.

Simple, I judge it by it's merits. I do not however judge it...

...by things like this. Why? Simple, Windows update has ALWAYS been problematic. Windows 10 was especially riddled with screw ups and bungling on the part of microsoft. The update have nothing to do with the usability of the OS.

Interestingly, I did not have any problems with 2000, XP or my more literal favorite Windows version, Vista SP2.

 

[Timbaloo]

Windows NT 4.0 SP6. Best Windows ever.

 

[ManofGod]

Windows NT 4.0 SP6. Best Windows ever.

Fun to mess with, since you could install the IE integration desktop. However, gaming was not a thing there, that I could remember.

 

[windwhirl]

Interestingly, I did not have any problems with 2000, XP or my more literal favorite Windows version, Vista SP2.

The only three big problems I've ever had with Windows Update have been:

the driver update part (still sucks)

back with Windows XP, the ungodly memory and CPU usage it had because of how superseded updates were calculated, IIRC.

And before Windows 10, the "installing update 1 of 300" thing.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Interestingly, I did not have any problems with 2000, XP or my more literal favorite Windows version, Vista SP2.

Windows 2000 updates were not bad because they were not automatic. They would show you each update and you could select which ones you wanted to use. XP though, auto updates were a crap show(and I'm being nice). Good grief no.

 

[Timbaloo]

Fun to mess with, since you could install the IE integration desktop. However, gaming was not a thing there, that I could remember.

Both correct. NT 4.0 was the kinda the last "professional only" OS from MS. After that we had ME (which failed) and 2000 (which was already very "consumer ready"). And after that XP and no DOS-Windows anymore.

NT 4.0 lacked a couple of nice features (plug&play) and driver installation was kinda "manual" but it was the last Windows where i felt you as the user had "control" over the system.
I remember installing NT 4.0 on a dual socket machine with an absurd amount of RAM and fast (Raptor?) HDD back in the day (for a client, not for me). Dat thang was quick dammit Made today's nvme SSD systems look a bit stupid tbh

I MISS THESE GODDAM TIMES!!!

(if you can tell...)

 

[lexluthermiester]

However, gaming was not a thing there, that I could remember.

You're not wrong. NT4.0 and all previous versions of NT were never intended to be consumer OSes and as such were never supported well as gaming platforms.

I MISS THESE GODDAM TIMES!!!

(if you can tell...)

I think all of us that remember what computing was like back then miss those days as well!

 

[Kaleid]

Win11 has overall been a buggy experience. XP, 7 and Win10 worked better

 

[Guwapo77]

Windows 95 was pretty universally loved as well. Windows 98 was a plain simple upgrade over 95, no real negatives.

That was a different Microsoft.

Windows 98SE was my favorite while Windows ME was my worst experience.