12700K vs 7600X3D

[Dr. Dro]

If you are only gaming, I would grab the 7600X3D. Otherwise something like a 7700X - in my opinion it is not worth buying into LGA 1700 platform at this point in time unless at a hefty discount.

 

[Scooby24]

The power differences between the two can't me more than a few pennies a day, surely. I can't imagine how much time would have to elapse to even out the return on investment to make the switch.

 

[Why_Me]

14700 non k is an OEM part.

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[Bobaganoosh]

It's not going to be exact apples to apples, but there is good data showing that the 14900K is still quite good and even more efficient when power limited. So you could look at the difference between the stock number and say the 95W number and factor that towards the 14700K to ballpark where you'll end up with a 14700 (non-k). You can adjust the power limit in the bios, but I'm not sure if undervolting is allowed on those (they prevent overclocking). If your goal is to just have a drop-in upgrade with lower power draw, that's technically an option. Don't think it'd be worth the $300 to me, but that's your call. I also don't think it'd be worth it to buy a new motherboard and a 7600x3d for the minimal improvement in power draw.

 

[Zazigalka]

1440P with a 4070s, you think power consumption difference is not significant to warrant a switch?

what is it on 12700k in the first place ?

 

[Wasteland]

I recently build a new system based upon lga 1700 with a 12700k. What slightly bothers me is the total overall energy consumption of the system.
Therefore, i would like to know your opinion if switching out the 12700k for a 7600X3D would make sense.
As i was surprised to see that both cpus have same idle power consumption (normally AMD is higher) but AMD wins big with power consumption when gaming,
which the system is also used for besides light office work.
It would also be nice if one could give its opinion about fps performance vs the 12700k

$400+ for a tiny practical gain in gaming and an enormous downgrade in MT. Power consumption would likely be a wash overall--you'd gain in efficiency under load, and lose at idle. Specifically in games, it isn't as if the Alder Lake chip will be pegged at 100%.

I wouldn't perform this upgrade even if it were free, tbh. Not worth the trouble. If the money's burning a hole in your pocket, buy something you'll notice--a nice keyboard, a better monitor, a decent desk or chair, dozens of cheap Steam games, or something that isn't related to computers at all.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

$400+ for a tiny practical gain in gaming and an enormous downgrade in MT. Power consumption would likely be a wash overall--you'd gain in efficiency under load, and lose at idle. Specifically in games, it isn't as if the Alder Lake chip will be pegged at 100%.

I wouldn't perform this upgrade even if it were free, tbh. Not worth the trouble. If the money's burning a hole in your pocket, buy something you'll notice--a nice keyboard, a better monitor, a decent desk or chair, dozens of cheap Steam games, or something that isn't related to computers at all.

1700 platform is dead and null for comparison to AM5. 9800X3D is the gaming chip to have today with AMD releasing future processors on the same platform. Now if he had gotten 1851 pin 265K, he would possibly have a viable upgrade path, but did not. BUT, if switches to AM5, has the upgrade path to purchase a CPU that is a faster Gaming Cpu then anything Intel has released in the past, possibly future.

So returning the HW, if costs nothing would refund the moneys. There would be absolutely no shame to switch to AMD 7600X3D. You quoted the OP, it reads, "gaming and light office work". Most light office work (home bill management?) can be done on a much lower end cpu, so more MT isn't really a good argument to keep a brand new purchased EOL, or for the lack of proper understanding, Dead platform.

@Dr. Dro post #26 nailed it on the head. It was not worth getting the 1700 platform, OP didn't research BEFORE the purchase is really the only issue here.

PS.
No, I'm not saying a 12700K couldn't game, it games fine.
I'm saying,
7600X3D for budget gamer is a absolute win at this time (Dec 2024).

 

[Wasteland]

1700 platform is dead and null for comparison to AM5.

If we were comparing the platforms on an equal basis, before purchase and assembly, I would agree. But the Alder Lake system has a huge advantage in this case: the OP already has it. This isn't about "dead platform" vs AM5. He'd have to buy a whole new platform to upgrade to AM5, anyway. So the question is, should OP go through the trouble of replacing his platform now, for a minor increase in practical gaming performance, or should he wait to replace his platform later, for a better upgrade? To me, the latter is a no brainer.

YMMV, but I think you're overstating the benefit of a swap to AM5, at this time.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

If we were comparing the platforms on an equal basis, before purchase and assembly, I would agree. But the Alder Lake system has a huge advantage in this case: the OP already has it. This isn't about "dead platform" vs AM5. He'd have to buy a whole new platform to upgrade to AM5, anyway. So the question is, should OP go through the trouble of replacing his platform now, for a minor increase in practical gaming performance, or should he wait to replace his platform later, for a better upgrade? To me, the latter is a no brainer.

YMMV, but I think you're overstating the benefit of a swap to AM5, at this time.

Well, perhaps a little overstated, but we can expect 1 or 2 more CPU generations on AM5 platform.

He did mention wattage. 65w chip gaming just as well as 180w chip is something to be said. Realistically the Intel chip will probably always have 50% threads doing squat, it may have just been an over purchase on OP's part and now here we are.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

i tried doing that but a big flaw of the system not being able to foresee is that the mobo has only 3 fan controls and i have no aio, it has by default 2 fans and 1 aio control
its asus and it not lets me regulate the fans perfectly, another reason for me to switch from this system which is mini itx to an atx

I am using a 12700k, and a D15s. The difference is, i am using a Aquacomputer OCTO for my fan contol. I can control all 10 of my fans with a single temp reference(my GPU) with pretty fine control of the fans, as i can adjust the fan curve however i like. It is completely silent idle, i can hear it gaming but as i don't monitor temps any more, Had a custom loop, and switched to the D15S, so as long as i know it is not throttling, i don't give a rats about the temps anymore. Have a look at the OCTO, it is very good and does much more than jst control fans. I am pretty sure i can have it silent gaming too with 10 fans in my case, just that it does not bother me. You don't hear your car engine idle, but do when it is floored, does that bother you, probably not.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

I am using a 12700k, and a D15s. The difference is, i am using a Aquacomputer OCTO for my fan contol. I can control all 10 of my fans with a single temp reference(my GPU) with pretty fine control of the fans, as i can adjust the fan curve however i like. It is completely silent idle, i can hear it gaming but as i don't monitor temps any more, Had a custom loop, and switched to the D15S, so as long as i know it is not throttling, i don't give a rats about the temps anymore. Have a look at the OCTO, it is very good and does much more than jst control fans. I am pretty sure i can have it silent gaming too with 10 fans in my case, just that it does not bother me. You don't hear your car engine idle, but do when it is floored, does that bother you, probably not.

Interesting.. I run a test this weekend with squad which brought the system to its limit. For now have changed fan settings in bios with asus qfan control setting, see what it brings..

BTW as you have an asus mb like me, did you oc the cpu?

 

[jallenlabs]

its using ddr5, 4070s, monitor is 180 hz 1440p running on 60fps most of time only 180fps when playing apex or so

I ran a 12700k for a couple years and had a RTX 4070 Super, DDR4. It was heavily tweaked, but even at stock it had plenty of performance for any game. I only play COD, (at 200-300fps) so I can't really speak to many other games, but I wouldn't change platforms just to use less power. It really doesn't make much sense, unless you game 20 hrs a day 300 days a year. The other benefit to the X3D chips compared with Intels offerings is the better 1% low FPS performance.
You could consider disabling hyperthreading, that will save quite a bit of power and make many games faster. I did the same on my 12600kf and 12900k.

I was curious where 14700(non-k) performed, being a "65W" chip (rating is for the cooler supposedly), as it would be easier to cool than your 12700k, but I'm not sure if it even performs as well. I can't find a review though.

65w is meaningless. It will still pull more than that under full load. It can use as much a 219w.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Interesting.. I run a test this weekend with squad which brought the system to its limit. For now have changed fan settings in bios with asus qfan control setting, see what it brings..

BTW as you have an asus mb like me, did you oc the cpu?

I don't bother anymore, CPU runs games well enough for me. I too considered a AM5 switch, but figured not worth it really unless I went balls out and go for a 7800X3D or even 9800X3D. If you only game and have the cash rattling around, do it only for them two options imo. Other wise, OC the 12700k with better fan control than the bios gives and sit on it for a bit longer. Unril i feel my 12700k is not good enough any more, i will stick with it a while longer.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

I don't bother anymore, CPU runs games well enough for me. I too considered a AM5 switch, but figured not worth it really unless I went balls out and go for a 7800X3D or even 9800X3D. If you only game and have the cash rattling around, do it only for them two options imo. Other wise, OC the 12700k with better fan control than the bios gives and sit on it for a bit longer. Unril i feel my 12700k is not good enough any more, i will stick with it a while longer.

I have been looking in options to being able to oc the cpu but could it be the case that this particular mb i got can't oc, plus is disabling hyperthreading wise, or who is so kind to provide simple oc settings in the mobo as many like you have an asus mobo

 

[FoulOnWhite]

I have been looking in options to being able to oc the cpu but could it be the case that this particular mb i got can't oc, plus is disabling hyperthreading wise, or who is so kind to provide simple oc settings in the mobo as many like you have an asus mobo

What mobo is it?

 

[Onyx Turbine]

What mobo is it?

rog strix b760 i

 

[Zach_01]

Maybe try to run different power plans so the CPU doesn’t hit all the power on gaming? Balanced or even low power mode?

Maybe set a CPU power limit? 120-130W or even lower?
How much power is using on gaming?

Not familiar with Intel CPUs but can’t be UV at all?
Usually if you cut like 20-30% of a chip’s power the performance loss is minimal like 5%.

Unless it’s a serious performance upgrade I wouldn’t change the whole platform.
But I can understand that every user could have different standards about worth spending money on hardware.
Noise can be a serious factor.

Personally I like to have big AIO not only for performance but for low noise too. 3x140mm fans are inaudible for the most of their rpm range.
The AIO can dissipate 150-200W almost in silence, depending on ambient temp and fan curve.
Even at max pump/fan rpm (220+W) it’s far from calling it noisy. Just audible.

Used to have a 280mm but was a lot more noisy after 150W.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

65w is meaningless. It will still pull more than that under full load. It can use as much a 219w.

I know. It does have a limited boost window though, and my comments were mostly about running it stock. I believe the power level settings can still be tweaked on the non-k sku so it could be an area where power/heat vs efficiency can be tuned as desired, which is what made it an option worth considering.

 

[Zazigalka]

I say 12700K->7800x3d/9800x3d or else just don't bother.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

rog strix b760 i

Fill in your system specs.

 

[Bomby569]

if you just build it and considering the gains aren't that high and the power consumption won't be that big of a deal compared to the loss you'll take by changing everything (unless you game 12 hours a day in Germany) just enjoy what you have.
Changing so soon seems like a enormous waste of money.

 

[adilazimdegilx]

It wouldnt make sense to make such a big switch just for power consumption. I dont think you can ever really save money, not even in long time period. If I put 50w difference for CPUs to calculator it measures up to 60€ in a year with 12hours a day usage every day, in Germany. Surely that's like a worst case and even then, you need couple years to get even.

The performance difference between two CPUs would also be low with 4070S at 1440P unless you target high refresh rate by compromising graphics quality. Even then giving up a 12700k doesnt feel right to me. You are maybe not using a lot of multithread application yourself but you'll surely notice some difference in various daily tasks. At the very least, shader compilation in games will take quite long time.

I advise to maybe get into tuning instead. You should be able to shave a lot of power from it by undervolting and maybe slight downclocking, limiting maximum speeds etc. This will also help with the heat issues. And for the total power consumption, you could also undervolt the 4070S and maybe limit your maximum framerates in games.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

It wouldnt make sense to make such a big switch just for power consumption. I dont think you can ever really save money, not even in long time period. If I put 50w difference for CPUs to calculator it measures up to 60€ in a year with 12hours a day usage every day, in Germany. Surely that's like a worst case and even then, you need couple years to get even.

The performance difference between two CPUs would also be low with 4070S at 1440P unless you target high refresh rate by compromising graphics quality. Even then giving up a 12700k doesnt feel right to me. You are maybe not using a lot of multithread application yourself but you'll surely notice some difference in various daily tasks. At the very least, shader compilation in games will take quite long time.

I advise to maybe get into tuning instead. You should be able to shave a lot of power from it by undervolting and maybe slight downclocking, limiting maximum speeds etc. This will also help with the heat issues. And for the total power consumption, you could also undervolt the 4070S and maybe limit your maximum framerates in games.

When you read the thread the mobo does not tweak the cpu as such also the xtu from intel didnt work, i looked into it how to solve but it was so complicated that only simple mobo settings work as such i didnt have to buy a 12700k and could have gone with something less non k and indeed later put in a non k 14700, but as im aware things are marginal we are not talking about a system with lets say a very extreme high cpu in terms of power consumption. But to be clear the power consumption levels achieved with the amd are very impressive, not only looking at your 50w also looking at the gpu, as such i would now build a new system with a 5060 or 5060ti, than we talk suddenly around150€ power savings