NVIDIA Blackwell RTX and AI Features Leaked by Inno3D

[Bwaze]

Record breaking 35 billion dollar revenue is real enough. And that at the end of the generation, not at the release of the new one. To put this into some perspective:

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Just so Ngreedia didn’t charge you as much as they do.

People like you will never buy an AMD gpu.

"people like you" constantly say this, then wonder why AMD keeps losing consumers.

People have said that about me. After cycling through a RX 480, a vega 64, and now a 6800xt, apparently I only want a 5090 competitor from AMD so "I can buy Nvidia".

This is just silly hostility that gets us nowhere.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

people like you" constantly say this, then wonder why AMD keeps losing consumers.

Those people were looking for excuses if a nobody like me opinion’s mattered that much to them.

No, AMD lost via mindshare and marketing.

This is just silly hostility that gets us nowhere.

Nah, misinformation is one of the things killing them.

Example, mention bad drivers and watch the responses, yet intel has garbage drivers for their gpus and nobody will believe you if you said that.

You might want and would buy a 5090 equivalent from AMD but dont be silly in assuming that everyone will.

Hell, the 7900 xtx is often cheaper than the 4080, but in many situations is faster and if you were going to believe people’s comments, those 7900 xtx are absolutely trash.

There are people (those people) that will only buy Ngreedia regardless .

Just look at the Steam survey ( which i dont think its entirely correct, but its the closest we have) and all you see is Ngreedia even though AMD does provide options and in cases, better options.

 

[Bwaze]

Just look at the Steam survey ( which i dont think its entirely correct, but its the closest we have) and all you see is Ngreedia even though AMD does provide options and in cases, better options.

Like what, bugs with pedigree? They have constant problems with high idle power draw with multiple monitors - not just a bit higher power draw that reviews show but actual bugs where power draw shoots through the roof, and it's a recurring thing that's going on for more than a decade...

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Those people were looking for excuses if a nobody like me opinion’s mattered that much to them.

No, AMD lost via mindshare and marketing.



Nah, misinformation is one of the things killing them.

Example, mention bad drivers and watch the responses, yet intel has garbage drivers for their gpus and nobody will believe you if you said that.

You might want and would buy a 5090 equivalent from AMD but dont be silly in assuming that everyone will.

Hell, the 7900 xtx is often cheaper than the 4080, but in many situations is faster and if you were going to believe people’s comments, those 7900 xtx are absolutely trash.

There are people (those people) that will only buy Ngreedia regardless .

Just look at the Steam survey ( which i dont think its entirely correct, but its the closest we have) and all you see is Ngreedia even though AMD does provide options and in cases, better options.

IDK what forums you're looking at. Mention intel here and every 3rd comment talks about how their drivers make AMD look amazing.

The 7900xtx isnt bad, but it WAS a disappointment, after AMD came out swinging with the 6900xt, going toe to toe with nvidia, their next high end was a tier below nvidia's top, with power consumption issues and FAR slower RT. Despite that, I remember reviewers singing its praises and the card being out of stock for months after release.

As for being faster.....well I looked into it here on TPU
Stalker 2: nah
BO6: yup (activision CoD engine has loved AMD for awhile)
silent hill 2: nah
Silent hill 2 RT: OH HELL NAH
GoW: ragnarok: Nah (but gets close at 4k)
FF XVI: about equal
Space marine 2: Yeah
Star wars outlaws: nah
Black myth wukong: nah
Black myth pathtracing: LMFAOROFL no
The first descendent: about equal
Ghost of tushima : yeah
Homeworld 3: nah
Horizon: yeah
Avatar: frontier: nah
Alan wake 2: equal
Alan wake 2 RT: LOL no
Alan wake 2 path trace: LOL no
AC mirage: nah
Lords of the fallen: nah
Lords of the fallen RT: also nah, but not that bad

So that's 9 nah, 4 yeah, and 3 equal on performance, out of the last 16 games. Over 50% of the time, the 7900xtx is slower then the 4080.

With RT: that changes to 10 nah, 4 yeah, and 2 equal. Also, with RT enabled, not only is the 7900xtx slower than a 4080, it frequently ties with or is slightly slower than the 4070ti, a $800 card. which would explain why the 7900xt had dropped to near $800 more than once, which is actually a good price for it.

It wasn't a bad card, but it DOES feel second rate to nvidia with RT, and the price reflects that. For people like me, I had to way overpay to get my 6800xt, so I'm not really about to jump on another near $1000 card just 2 years later. And it's clearly not just me, nvidia's sales were way down too, until AI hit.

 

[evernessince]

Like what, bugs with pedigree? They have constant problems with high idle power draw with multiple monitors - not just a bit higher power draw that reviews show but actual bugs where power draw shoots through the roof, and it's a recurring thing that's going on for more than a decade...

High idle multi-monitor power draw sure but I'm not so sure about random spikes in power draw. Unless you are referring to the RTX 3000 series or RX 6000 series I have never heard or seen any post related to the claimed random high power draw bug . Mind you those two gens don't have a "bug", that's just their design.

You want bugs with Pedigree, Nvidia has had a DSP latency bug for over a decade now and it's only been semi-fixed on the RTX 3000 series (no idea why that gen only). Still an issue for 4000 series and on gens prior to 3000 series. RTX 3000 series feeds back noise into the 12V Sense pin which causes certain PSUs like the Seasonic Prime series OCP to trip. Now that's a hardware level bug that Nvidia never bothered to fix and will never fix.

If I'm listing off AMD bugs vs Nvidia bugs over the past few years, the Nvidia one's are way worse. The fact that cards could cook themselves in New World alone was extremely severe. Let alone the hardware level screwups they've had with the 3000 series and connectors on the 4000 series. Just like AMD they have software bugs as well. Flickering In COD, stuttering in VR, discord lowering clocks, ect. All of the above were officially confirmed in driver patch notes and eventually fixed (the VR issue took 6 months to fix).

I agree that companies should fix their existing and long standing bugs but I find the one-sidedness of arguments around this topic rather telling. People need to hold Nvidia to account as well, they have been getting away with extremely bad bugs and hardware issues because not enough people call them out. If AMD had a driver that allowed their cards to cook themselves like Nvidia did, we'd not be hearing the end of it for at least a decade and 1/2 (and that'd be kind of fair given the severity). Nvidia? Doesn't register apparently.

 

[LittleBro]

Still, it remains a mystery to me a game can cook a GPU in age of modern hardware. There are so many protections, different throttling mechanisms in place and yet it happens.

 

[evernessince]

Still, it remains a mystery to me a game can cook a GPU in age of modern hardware. There are so many protections, different throttling mechanisms in place and yet it happens.

One has to assume it was due to a failure on multiple levels. There should be protections in place at both the driver and GPU BIOS level. We know Nvidia fixed the issue via a driver update but one has to wonder if Nvidia has sufficient protections in place in the GPU BIOS.

The funny part of that whole debacle was the people blaming the game devs and everyone else but Nvidia. People don't realize that if any piece of software caused damage to your hardware that's immediately a failure on the hardware manufacturer for not implementing safeguards.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

Nvidia? Doesn't register apparently.

people blaming the game devs and everyone else but Nvidia

Thats pretty much it, Ngreedia simply does no wrong.

But no matter how much AMD does or at least try to, its simply never good enough or good at all.

 

[95Viper]

Stick to the topic.
It is not a bash thread and is not a Nvidia vs. AMD thread.

 

[StimpsonJCat]

Like what, bugs with pedigree? They have constant problems with high idle power draw with multiple monitors - not just a bit higher power draw that reviews show but actual bugs where power draw shoots through the roof, and it's a recurring thing that's going on for more than a decade...

Is this still a thing? I also thought this was an nGreedia thing too?

 

[LittleBro]

Palit registered with EEC humble bunch of SKUs:

Palit registers all possible variants of GeForce RTX 50 series at EEC - VideoCardz.com

There’s no RTX 5090 Ti SUPER, but PALIT will be ready if there is Palit is the first major board partner to register RTX 50 cards at EEC. The Eurasian Economic Commission (EEC) is an interesting source of information, often revealing listings for unannounced cards and various custom models that...

videocardz.com

Of course, this does not mean that all those models will be actually released, it's more like Palit is preparing for every possible situation.

But if such number of SKUs per one generation would be really released, man, that would be disaster for reviewers.
Huge differences between amount of shaders distributed among currently known RTX 5000 series SKUs point to a fact we might see more RTX 5000 series SKUs than with 4000 or 3000. One shall see sooon!

Also, this is interesting:

Retailer lists €5999 GeForce RTX 5090 and €3499 RTX 5080 Acer Gaming PCs ahead of launch - VideoCardz.com

ACER Predator PCs with GeForce RTX 50 cost a fortune The ACER Predator gaming PCs that we mentioned two days ago were briefly listed for sale by a German retailer. We managed to take some screenshots before they were taken down, and it gives us a (very) general understanding of what to expect...

videocardz.com

2TB SSD ... 160€
128GB RAM ... 650€
285K ... 700€
MB, PSU, case, cooling ... <1200 €
RTX 5090 ... 3000+€?

 

[StaticVapour]

Oh here comes the buzzword "AI" yet again..

 

[MCJAxolotl7]

nah, just the simple fact that there is no such thing as 4k gaming @ 240Hz. I seem to recall 4090 was said to be just that and guess what? it isn't. Funny thing is, it needs make belief frames in order to even operate at playable levels for a ton of games so it doesn't even run at 4K settings.

You are chasing a ghost. Well, you and everyone like you. And its funny because jacket man can look at people like you as an easy cash grab because you will fall for such marketing.

Or you mean 4K at 240hz playing terraria or stardew valley.

4k240 playing games that aren't triple aaa/ue5 think about that

 

[sepheronx]

4k240 playing games that aren't triple aaa/ue5 think about that

Yeah, so....Terraria and Stardew Valley

Or Age of Empires III.

 

[MCJAxolotl7]

Yeah, so....Terraria and Stardew Valley

Or Age of Empires III.

Or just about any Unity game, emulator, or light game. Or game from 5+ years ago. Or games at lower settings. My largest game is 40gb. That is a statement to the sort of games I play.

Those people were looking for excuses if a nobody like me opinion’s mattered that much to them.

No, AMD lost via mindshare and marketing.



Nah, misinformation is one of the things killing them.

Example, mention bad drivers and watch the responses, yet intel has garbage drivers for their gpus and nobody will believe you if you said that.

You might want and would buy a 5090 equivalent from AMD but dont be silly in assuming that everyone will.

Hell, the 7900 xtx is often cheaper than the 4080, but in many situations is faster and if you were going to believe people’s comments, those 7900 xtx are absolutely trash.

There are people (those people) that will only buy Ngreedia regardless .

Just look at the Steam survey ( which i dont think its entirely correct, but its the closest we have) and all you see is Ngreedia even though AMD does provide options and in cases, better options.

7900xtx can be 4070 ti pricing where I live and it blows that card out of the water.