AMD Radeon "RX 8800 XT" is Actually the RX 9070 XT?

[Fouquin]

They have poorly working brains. Zen 5 is Ryzen 7, Zen 4 is Ryzen 6. Their names are a mess.

Architecture generation versus product generation. Zen 4 is the fourth generation architecture, Zen 5 is the fifth generation architecture. The product names are never consistent with architecture or else Intel's "14th Gen" would actually be 5th gen (Sandy/Ivy, Haswell/Devil's Canyon/Broadwell, Skylake/Kaby/Coffee/Comet/Cascade Lake, Ice/Rocket/Tiger Lake, Alder/Raptor Lake).

 

[Ruru]

I hope its "Shit name, great product"

HD 4890 called ya

Shitty named yet great product's even better remake

I'm waiting for the RTXX 12020 XTXX Special X edition, which should come in three months seeing how fast they're moving forward with the nomenclature.

I remember the XFX GTX XXX cards, I need MOAR Xes, dammit!

 

[N/A]

Whatever the name, it's perfect for a console killer, but is it monolithic?

 

[Marcus L]

RX 7900 GRE performance for the same ~550€ price does not make any sense at all. It's not upgrade it's sidegrade. If it's true RIP amd!

RX 7800 XT already was kinda weak if compare to RX 6800 XT no performance gains at all! If next gen will be another small performance increase for the same or higher price it will be end.

3080-4070 what was the performance difference and the cost? we are getting the same performance for the same cost whilst told that advances are being made, only the top end you see the performance uplift and of course now for 4080-4090 you have to pay for that $1200-$2500 it's stagnation for the rest of the lower tiers with vRAM, performance and price, will take me 3-4 gens to get a good level of performance uplift at the £400 price that I paid for my RX 6800 over a year ago, screw them, let them sell their chips to AI and datacentre, I'm not willing to play their games, both AMD and Nvidia

 

[ModEl4]

What prompted this change in nomenclature probably has to do more with UDNA adoption and the need for a fresh start (UX 1070 or UX 170 the successor of RX 9070?) than the withdrawal from enthusiast segment.

 

[Tomorrow]

This naming makes so little sense. They could have waited until their UDNA architecture is out to make a completely new naming scheme. Start with 1xxx again.

Exactly my thoughts. UDNA would have brought a naming change regardless so changing the naming for the last RDNA generation makes zero sense.
All people will remember now is how they changed RDNA4 product names and then UDNA product names again. It gives the impression that they're flip-flopping and have no long term plan.

They have poorly working brains. Zen 5 is Ryzen 7, Zen 4 is Ryzen 6. Their names are a mess.

There is no "Ryzen 6". Ryzen is product name. Zen is architecture name. Each architecture also has it's own internal codenames.

But it's the performance of a 970 ^^

AMD's iGPU's are faster than 970 these days...

Can't they just sort out a semi-normal naming system like with Ryzen?

That's what i want too. Consistency. Im not saying Ryzen naming scheme has been consistent with skipping 4000 series (in retail, it was OEM only) or skipping 6000 series or again skipping 8000 series. Then the odd naming of 5900XT that was 16c/32t CPU instead of *900 having been always 12c/24t.

RX 7900 GRE performance for the same ~550€ price does not make any sense at all. It's not upgrade it's sidegrade. If it's true RIP amd!

RX 7800 XT already was kinda weak if compare to RX 6800 XT no performance gains at all! If next gen will be another small performance increase for the same or higher price it will be end.

Even if raster perf is same the power consumption will be lower and RT perf will be increased. Not to mention doing away with disadvantages of chiplet design on 7900 GRE and 7800 XT. It was never going to be a 2x perf upgrade. More of a refinement.

A third generation with virtually non-existent performance gains. RX 6800 XT -> RX 7800 XT -> RX 9070 XT.
I guess people will be happy to not spend on a "new" pretty expensive graphics card.

I would not call AMD's cards expensive. Not when there's a green elephant in the room...

Whatever the name, it's perfect for a console killer, but is it monolithic?

Yes, yes it is monolithic this time.

 

[AusWolf]

For god's sake AMD, stop copying names it just feels tacky!

(And stop with the suffix soup, f*ck that shit too)

Agreed. It's a bad naming scheme anyway, there's no need for so many numbers in a product stack that consists of only two chips (Navi 48 and 44).

Besides, if it starts with 9, it means the next gen will have to go through a complete name change again, which is really bad.

 

[inquisitor1]

bad naming but intel is far far worse which makes no sense.

 

[AusWolf]

bad naming but intel is far far worse which makes no sense.

I'm actually with Intel on this one. In B580, B is the generation, 5 is the product tier, and 8 is the product's place within the tier. There's only a random zero at the end for some reason. It's simple and clear.

AMD's and Nvidia's naming is full of zeros and suffixes which nobody needs or wants because it doesn't make sense. What's RX, for example? And why is every Nvidia card called RTX? It only made sense in the Turing era when some cards had RT, some didn't. And what's with the zeros in 9070 or 5090? Why not call them the 97 and 59? In fact, why not just call this card the Radeon Navi 48 XT?

 

[DaemonForce]

Thanks to Intel we now have a "580" from each vendor, which has become the restore point for all of this marketing nonsense.
More importantly, GTX580, RX580 and A580/B580 do not compare to each other at all. That's pretty funny.

 

[AusWolf]

Thanks to Intel we now have a "580" from each vendor, which has become the restore point for all of this marketing nonsense.
More importantly, GTX580, RX580 and A580/B580 do not compare to each other at all. That's pretty funny.

Sounds like a collector's shelf, though.

 

[DaemonForce]

Oh they be collecting.
This whole rename is probably the best thing to happen since 5000 series.

"Imma pick up a 5700..."
CPU or GPU?.....

"Imma pick up a 7600..."
CPU or GPU?

I'm sure it totally won't be a repeat issue with 8000 or 9000 series oh wait

So yeah, whether the naming scheme is "copied" or not doesn't matter.
Just gotta get this ambiguous SKU matching headache out of the way.

The only real issue I have is the amount of stupid choice in the market with these cards.
There's an AMD card to fill every void between the nVidia and Intel stack.
There are no HHHL cards that are worth a damn from all three vendors.

Intel set a great price but skipped VR and FP64 support entirely, which means I can't give them the time of day.
There are no decent dual encoder AMD cards below $600 and double that rate on nVidia side. We need new cards now.

 

[AusWolf]

I have an idea. Why not make it simple and call it the Radeon 9700 Pro? Oh wait...

 

[Onasi]

Architecture generation versus product generation. Zen 4 is the fourth generation architecture, Zen 5 is the fifth generation architecture. The product names are never consistent with architecture or else Intel's "14th Gen" would actually be 5th gen (Sandy/Ivy, Haswell/Devil's Canyon/Broadwell, Skylake/Kaby/Coffee/Comet/Cascade Lake, Ice/Rocket/Tiger Lake, Alder/Raptor Lake).

Wait, wouldn’t it be 6th in this case? You missed Nehalem/Westmere.

Anyway, the naming change is unnecessary. I don’t know what’s with AMD and their bizarre need to have a “higher model number” advantage over the competition, be it in CPUs or now GPUs, but I don’t see how that helps them actually sell the product. Like, I can see the idea from the point of sheer stupid marketing, but really, so they actually believe an average customer will go for a Radeon over NV just cause “number higher”? Then again, average customer is often dumb as rocks, so hey-ho.

 

[Vayra86]

"5090? We got 9070"

Soon they'll tell us to put two 9070's in Crossfire again and handily beat Nvidia on performance and perf/$

Did they hire Raja again? I totally wouldn't be surprised if they tried to re-launch mGPU Its all part of the playbook...

It is an OK change. I would have preferred RX 970. But 9070 won't overlap with Zen 5 numbers.

It would be hilarious if they made an RX 970 with 13,5 GB of VRAM. Just put a random chip somewhere, its ok.


Also can we have a moment to appreciate AMD does not want 'a void' in the naming of the SKUs so they put a void between the generations? Wtf are they smoking?

I'm actually with Intel on this one. In B580, B is the generation, 5 is the product tier, and 8 is the product's place within the tier. There's only a random zero at the end for some reason. It's simple and clear.

AMD's and Nvidia's naming is full of zeros and suffixes which nobody needs or wants because it doesn't make sense. What's RX, for example? And why is every Nvidia card called RTX? It only made sense in the Turing era when some cards had RT, some didn't. And what's with the zeros in 9070 or 5090? Why not call them the 97 and 59? In fact, why not just call this card the Radeon Navi 48 XT?

Yeah Intel made a promising start. I'm just wondering if they can get the whole alphabet in there, should last us long enough.

 

[J3llyf1sh]

Awwww. I was looking forward to another 8800 series graphics card

 

[AusWolf]

Anyway, the naming change is unnecessary. I don’t know what’s with AMD and their bizarre need to have a “higher model number” advantage over the competition, be it in CPUs or now GPUs, but I don’t see how that helps them actually sell the product.

It doesn't. Higher model numbers and XTXXTX bullshit suffixes only help create sensory overdose. Consumers prefer consistency across generations over a single high number in one generation, imo.

Awwww. I was looking forward to another 8800 series graphics card

It would have sounded a lot better, that's for sure.

 

[Onasi]

@AusWolf
Agreed, otherwise they might as well go full retard and call their next GPU, regardless of performance, an RXXX 9999 XTX Extreme Ultra Big Dick Ghz edition ft. Dante from the Devil May Cry Series (and Knuckles).

 

[Wirko]

I'm wondering if AMD has the slightest idea how to number the next generation after this. They will probably ask their AI, and AI will say "Radeon AI 990 Max" or something.

 

[mb194dc]

Nvidia is seemengly delivering. 60% more Rops, 33%+64 bit bandwidth and 16.6% Shaders. that's a lot. and what did AMD do. glorified 7800XT and it better be good.
The speed increase of 5070 Ti compared to vanilla 4070 Ti, not with super. is almost the same as with 5090 if not more. its 60% overall at least. depending what the game engine needs.

Looks to me like only the very top end Nvidia chips which cost thousands will show any significant generational uplift. Probably only then in specific use cases.

It used to be new generations would launch annually tik, tok and the mid range could expect significant performance improvements at reasonable prices.

You can see now why Nvidia put less vram on last couple of generations. Trying to create reasons to upgrade now. Along with RT.

Seems like the new AMD chips aren't even any better than the cards out now...

 

[DaemonForce]

Something something AI MAX is exactly the direction AMD would go. No surprise there.

 

[Krit]

It would be hilarious if they made an RX 970 with 13,5 GB of VRAM. Just put a random chip somewhere, its ok.

That 3.5gb vram on GTX 970 was not big issue. In my gpu history i would say GTX 970 is one of the best gpus i ever had p/p was simply amazing 145w tdp and silent operation. In today's gpu market nothing comes even close!

To me 8800 sounds better than 9700 but whatever.... AMD always has some strange marketing problems.

 

[Bomby569]

AMD is focusing on the important stuff i see, and they wonder why Nvidia outsells them

 

[ratirt]

I'm looking at the comments, posts and it is just surprising at this point, when people look at what the product is called, what would people want it to be called, instead of what it actually offers for the price. Power usage to some extent is also important. Performance balanced with ram memory it has is basically crucial here. Maybe at some point RT performance if we get there.
What it is called, how it looks despite good thermal performance, is the least important thing for me.

 

[SPARSTE96]

Yup, this will be the 25th generation ATi - AMD graphics, so the proper name is Radeon RX 25700X.

Rx 25000 series is a good name tho. i like to see higher numbers, even in video games and movie titles