4070(FE) 2023 – 5888 cores – 2475MHz Boost – 1313MHz 12GB GDDR6X 192 bits
4070S(FE) 2024 – 7168 cores – 2475MHz Boost – 1313MHz 12GB GDDR6X (Rel. Perf +12-14%)
5070(FE) 2025 – 6144 cores - ? - ? 12GB GDDR7 192 bits
All they need to do is get that small performance increase (BTW also correlates with the relative performance increase from 3070 to 4070) which benchmarks will show in a couple months, and then 75% of this forum including the same proportion of all the whiners here will have justified themselves in making the jump into one of the 5070(Ti) OR justified themselves into the 5090 or considered the 5080 ain’t too bad a proposition to avoid the price of the 5090 and have a bit more power that the 5070Ti. Just wait and see.
Don’t tell me they can’t because they will even with the lower core count. It’s scripture. If it ain’t that then everybody will keep on buying the current gen. So they will since it’s what keeps the mill rolling. Who is expecting 50% more performance? Deluded people are, but it never needed to be so good to go off the shelves faster than they can put them out. Just wait and see.
Price? Well everything is increasing, so somehow people will find a way to justify even a price increase if there’s one and it’s about “legit” or otherwise explained by the market (like AI did with the swelling of higher end Ada bunch). Oh you’re going to tell me that I AM deluded... just wait and see.
Six months after release we’ll get the same whining about the upcoming Super or 60xx series leaked specs, whichever it will be. It will grow into its own beast, its own self-conditioning. Just wait and see.
The real problem (from the enthusiast consumer standpoint) or strategy (from nVidia standpoint) is twofolds: people have been conditioning themselves into buying the next gen since the last gen came out. Whining is still conditioning – anyone participating have been living in anticipation of it coming out and now it’s part of their lives. The fact that forums like here also feed on all the rumors and leaks doesn’t help, only reinforce the anticipation. Which brings us to the second problem: as soon as the benchmarks will be out the flock of people buying them will flaunt them in their systems specs and post about their FPS in games and whatever, and all of those who were so far cautiously willing to avoid buying into it will feel like they’re being left behind/inferior and will doubly try to find justification for buying into it. It will possibly even encourage many of them to go for the more expensive cards, since at least they can adopt the “hey you know I bought the only one that makes sense and to hell with the price”/”I’m smarter than that” stance. It will all be about “I have a 4K and/or 240Hz+ screen so I NEED it to play the latest way too expensive game with some RT/PT and or living up to the framerate” etc.
And really who’s to blame for the fact that games are so demanding? Blaming nVidia for keeping a pace back below what it would ideally take for a xx70 to perform well there? Game developers/studios making them so, but also contracting into being part of nVidia ecosystem? Well perhaps, but the real problem is “the consumers” with their high end screens and never ending quest for framerates (and pretending they can see the difference, within which is the pretense than any lower framerate is “unplayable”) and wanting next games to be a visual step above the last. The buying end DEFINES the market into which manufacturers and developers can always FIND A WAY TO DIG DEEPEER INTO EVERYONE’S POCKET.
Nvidia does what it needs to do with the cards they put out: the 5070 will be quite alright for playing 1440P all around, the 5070Ti more futureproof or somewhat able to follow up into 4K 120Hz for a couple years. The 5080 is a bit ridiculous but it will STILL be the cheapest option to really get into 4K 120Hz. The 5090 will be the monster with the really ridiculous pricepoint for all of those who can pay. And there are many, many, many, MANY of those.
Only one of three things can reverse the trend: nVidia fucking up something really big and totally losing the market; AMD coming back in greatest shape and cutting the prices for similar performance all around; the consumer end to STOP CARING. What if nobody cares for the leaks? What if nobody wants TPU to post about them/doesn’t read the posts? What if everybody totally ignores what nVidia will come up with next, so much so that it’ll be complete web silence about the next series, NOBODY talking about it, nobody propagating the “buzz”.
So which is more likely to happen? Certainly not the fourth one: nVidia will suddenly release proper stuff at proper prices, listening to the market’s feedback. Because it is EXACTLY what they’re already doing – it just won’t ever be what the market’s delusions of next greatness into the mid end would want nVidia to reflect in the lineup. They’ll reflect it in the high end segment. The 5070Ti is psychologically what nVidia wants you to integrate as the idea of a xx70 – the additional bucks included.
Where nVidia stands RIGHT NOW, it looks like NONE of these scenarios is likely, and you get what you get. End of discussion.
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However, you make me realize that I bought my 2070 SUPER brand new $584.99 at Microcenter in 2019. If I adjust the price with inflation, it represents $724.26 today. So my request is not valid after all. Guess I'm going to have to fork out the money!
