B580 tanks performance with low end CPUs

[Zazigalka]

I can tell you a 11700K and lower is going to have vastly poor results to anything 12th gen and up.

But still good enough,at least if it's an 8/16. I'm on a 10700f myself and have no trouble hitting +100fps in Cyberpunk/Alan Wake 2 when I drop RT. 6/12 may struggle though. I know newer cpus will do +150fps where mine does around 100, but unless I get myself a 4090, I don't think it would be worth it to upgrade to a 7800x3d or the like. My target is still 70-75 FPS, when I hit that I usually just crank up the settings. Getting a top tier gaming CPU for a mid range card is just a case of diminishing returns.

 

[mb194dc]

Pretty misleading reviews then... Kind of rigs that will put in a $250 card will have terrible performance.

Much better off with used 6700xt... For similar

 

[Zazigalka]

Pretty misleading reviews then... Kind of rigs that will put in a $250 card will have terrible performance.

Much better off with used 6700xt... For similar

They still sell new 6750xt's, price similar to b580

 

[ShrimpBrime]

But still good enough,at least if it's an 8/16. I'm on a 10700f myself and have no trouble hitting +100fps in Cyberpunk/Alan Wake 2 when I drop RT. 6/12 may struggle though. I know newer cpus will do +150fps where mine does around 100, but unless I get myself a 4090, I don't think it would be worth it to upgrade to a 7800x3d or the like. My target is still 70-75 FPS, when I hit that I usually just crank up the settings. Getting a top tier gaming CPU for a mid range card is just a case of diminishing returns.

Yes, but reviews and expectations should be with modern mix of hardware to produce the best numbers for sales. Thats why you don't see a lot of older gear included.

And also to my point that a 10700F (14nm) would tank the performance of many modern video cards. While it's known a 12400F on ddr5 produces 20% better results and why it's so popular for the pricing.

 

[eidairaman1]

I can tell you a 11700K and lower is going to have vastly poor results to anything 12th gen and up. Otherwise I'd stuck with 8700K 5.2ghz which is vastly slower for 3D benchmarking over 14th gen and core Ultra. I would wager to say up to, possibly over 20% loss in performance based on past benchmarking experiences with 14nm Intel chips.

Ok the ryzen 5000 is from 2021, im getting at comparable products from both sides by year launched to see if the card does better or not.

 

[y2faulty]

there's CES tomorrow and more importantly 5000 cards and 9070 from Nvidia and Amd, I think new tests will take a while..

I don't mean from Hardware Unboxed, I mean from EVERYBODY - this issue is gonna probably take a little of a backseat.

 

[AusWolf]

Technically has a performance advantage, and has 12GB VRAM and not 8GB

That performance advantage isn't even 10%. Not even detectable by the human eye without an FPS counter on screen. The VRAM might be useful, but that's arguable at this performance level.

MSRP is $250, below both its competitors, and the majority of 4060s on newegg right now are $350+.

Fair enough. Shame you can't find it for that price anywhere.

Popular products usually have availability issues after launch see also - 9800x3d, RTX 4090, amd 7900xtx, ece.

What about Intel's A-series Arc cards? They're long after launch, and still MIA.

To me, Intel brought some much needed competition to the space, and did so while lowering the price, something people are often mad about. Yes now they have driver overhead issues, but when AMD had the same issue from not having multithreaded drivers, people acted like it was nothing. Intel has the same issue, suddenly its the end of intel's GPU run.

There is competition only if you can buy the product. If you live in the UK, then right now you can't. As such, there are no lowered prices, either.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Ok the ryzen 5000 is from 2021, im getting at comparable products from both sides by year launched to see if the card does better or not.

It'll do better as drivers evolve I would think.

 

[eidairaman1]

It'll do better as drivers evolve I would think.

Well as is for now then revisit later

 

[AusWolf]

As it stands, the cheapest B580 at Overclockers UK is listed at £259 and is MIA (just like every other B580), while the cheapest 7600 is £229 and is in stock in abundance (just like almost every other 7600). The cheapest 4060 is £248.99 and is also available. No other UK store lists any single Intel GPU.

This is not going to be a very competitive product like this.

 

[Lew Zealand]

As it stands, the cheapest B580 at Overclockers UK is listed at £259 and is MIA (just like every other B580), while the cheapest 7600 is £229 and is in stock in abundance (just like almost every other 7600). The cheapest 4060 is £248.99 and is also available. No other UK store lists any single Intel GPU.

This is not going to be a very competitive product like this.

A new affordable GPU is OOS while its competitors, which will be rendered a generation old tomorrow, are still on the shelves. This can't be a surprise.

 

[AusWolf]

A new affordable GPU is OOS while its competitors, which will be rendered a generation old tomorrow, are still on the shelves. This can't be a surprise.

A-series Intel GPUs are also nowhere to be found.

Edit: Personally, if I was a regular gamer (and not someone who buys PC parts just for fun), I'd much rather get a generation old GPU than something new and untested.

 

[iameatingjam]

There is competition only if you can buy the product. If you live in the UK, then right now you can't. As such, there are no lowered prices, either.

Have you tried going to a local distributor and ask to be put in a line? Cause you can do that, at least I can, I checked yesterday. Though I think imma wait to see how this all shakes out first and even if its ideal.... having a backup is still a luxury and life is expensive you know.

Anyway, Its one of the smaller suppliers, not sure if that matters. And I'm pretty sure it was this thread where someone else said they did the same thing. Just no guarantee when you'll get it, so I can get it if that makes you/or whoever feel uneasy. You could maybe ask how often they usually get shipments and how long the line is and ask for an estimate but thats all it will be. But you can get them for msrp. But clearly demand is higher than intel expected. And you know, supply chains take time and all that. Clearly intel was not ready for those initial glowing reviews.

I mean I can't imagine the scalpers are gonna be having that much luck. The main draw of this product is its price. You cant just double it and expect people to pay. Or maybe some will, where money is no obstacle and collect all thing electronic. With the scalper prices I'm seeing here I could nearly buy a 4070 with.

What about Intel's A-series Arc cards? They're long after launch, and still MIA.

I'm sorry.... what? I'm confused by this. Do you mean the B-series?

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

Seems like it needs more threads
the 24% drop vs the 25% less threads from the the 7600x to the 5700x 3D show it likes threads. As there's also a deficit of clock between the two.
Data is inconclusive without both dual CCD cpu & Intel 16 threads, 20 threads, & 32 threads cpu in the chart.

again

It's not latency, it might core counts but until he tests something with more counts of the same generation, we won't know

Clearly is the thread count is higher than what the 7600x has it will not be faster than a 5700x 3D.
The 7600 may be as fast a 5700x 3D when the game/ or program isn't heavily thread but IPC dependent to those lower amount of threads. In this case the 7600 has 13% IPC along with another 24% clock speed advantage & still lost. Much like it would in Encoding benchmarks against the 5700x 3D.

 

[y2faulty]

what's IPC

 

[freeagent]

Inches Per Centimetre

Right?

 

[AusWolf]

Have you tried going to a local distributor and ask to be put in a line? Cause you can do that, at least I can, I checked yesterday. Though I think imma wait to see how this all shakes out first and even if its ideal.... having a backup is still a luxury and life is expensive you know.

Anyway, Its one of the smaller suppliers, not sure if that matters. And I'm pretty sure it was this thread where someone else said they did the same thing. Just no guarantee when you'll get it, so I can get it if that makes you/or whoever feel uneasy. You could maybe ask how often they usually get shipments and how long the line is and ask for an estimate but thats all it will be. But you can get them for msrp. But clearly demand is higher than intel expected. And you know, supply chains take time and all that. Clearly intel was not ready for those initial glowing reviews.

I mean I can't imagine the scalpers are gonna be having that much luck. The main draw of this product is its price. You cant just double it and expect people to pay. Or maybe some will, where money is no obstacle and collect all thing electronic. With the scalper prices I'm seeing here I could nearly buy a 4070 with.

Sure, there's a pre-order button on the OCUK website, but there's no ETA.

I'm sorry.... what? I'm confused by this. Do you mean the B-series?

No, the A-series. The A770, A750 and A380. They were released like what... 2 years ago? Ever since, their presence has been sporadic at best.

what's IPC

Instructions per clock. Basically how much work your GPU/CPU can do under one clock tick. A 4 GHz CPU with higher IPC is faster than a 4 GHz one with lower IPC.

 

[y2faulty]

makes sense

 

[iameatingjam]

No, the A-series. The A770, A750 and A380. They were released like what... 2 years ago? Ever since, their presence has been sporadic at best.

Oh... I see, do you mean..... before or after the b series or does it matter? Because I can still buy all the models on amazon, little expensive for A770 (340 USD cheapest) but it was never really cheaper here. And from the beginning I kept checking in on the A770 because I was kinda interested in it but ultimately not enough to buy it. But yeah as for other models I do remember them being pretty consistently available, so available infact the price dropped quite a bit from msrp, even on the Canadian sites. But perhaps thats because I'm closer to the US? Idk...?

Infact I feel I have the same problem you got with intel, with AMD. At least the last time I was GPU shopping anyway.

At the end of the day I think where in the world we live matters a lot when it comes to when and what and how often items are available.

 

[AusWolf]

Oh... I see, do you mean..... before or after the b series or does it matter? Because I can still buy all the models on amazon, little expensive for A770 (340 USD cheapest) but it was never really cheaper here. And from the beginning I kept checking in on the A770 because I was kinda interested in it but ultimately not enough to buy it. But yeah as for other models I do remember them being pretty consistently avaliable, so avaliable infact the price dropped quite a bit from msrp, even on the Canadian sites. But perhaps thats because I'm closer to the US? Idk...?

I mean all during the time that they've been available... Or rather, the time they were supposed to be available but weren't. One UK retailer had the A770 Special Edition (or what the Intel reference is called), and maybe one A750 model listed, but they kept disappearing, and they're still not in stock. They've been delisted from that retailer since.

So my point is that it's been two years and you still need unicorn blood, moonstone and a virgin's tears to get an Intel GPU. Any of them.

Infact I feel I have the same problem you got with intel, with AMD. At least the last time I was GPU shopping anyway.

AMD tends to sell out on day one, but it usually gets back in stock within a couple of days or weeks. This latter part never happened with any Intel GPU so far.

 

[_roman_]

It is not about "ultra fast CPU", it is about having less than 8 cores. But 6 cores suck nowadays, it is like buying a new GPU with only 8Gb.

No.

I do check the benchmarks for the stuff I own.

Ryzen 7500f / 7600x / 7600 / 7600X3d are a decent choice when you buy a middle class gpu like a Radeon 7800XT.

My previous 5800X = 8 core had similar seconds used for compiling my software as my current 7600X = 6 core processor.

core count is not everything. Mixed core counts also.

Yeah I was asking myself the exact same question. Especially when I could use a backup gpu. I cant imagine a 14700kf would have too much penalty but... if a 7700x has some (like I think I saw in a graph though could be mistaken) ... then I would really like to know. And I'd really like to know how many games are affected. Is it just a select handful? is it 10%? 50%? I guess thats kind of unreasonable to ask at this point but thats whats going through my head right now. Hardware unboxed even did TWO videos now... neither with intel CPUs. Also, if it plays nice with a 12400f thats a really cheap budget combo. Would be really nice to know if that one would work out.

This may work for certain operating systems. Some software will just crash.
Was there not a topic about windows having software issues with those E-Cores? Was ist it a scheduler topic where the threads are put to?

-- Just note that there is a 8 Core cpu on the top of the list usually. With no mixed cores, like E-Cores.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

That performance advantage isn't even 10%. Not even detectable by the human eye without an FPS counter on screen. The VRAM might be useful, but that's arguable at this performance level.

Sure, and the human eye can only see 30 FPS, right?

Even at this level 8GB is rapidly becoming insufficient.

Fair enough. Shame you can't find it for that price anywhere.

This is a temporary market condition.

What about Intel's A-series Arc cards? They're long after launch, and still MIA.

Intel discontinued the A770 back in june, it's not much of a stretch to say that while it may not have been announced the rest of the A series was axed as the B series entered production.

There is competition only if you can buy the product. If you live in the UK, then right now you can't. As such, there are no lowered prices, either.

This is a totally disingenuous argument. The 4090 was out of stock for a while after launch, does that mean Nvidia had no halo GPU now? Did the 4070 being out of stock mean the 7800xt had no competition and was the defacto champion? What about the 9800x3d, it was very hard to find, did that mean the 285k was now the champion?

No. The card is still new and selling well. Also the UK is not the world.

 

[eidairaman1]

I hope the intel cpu testing is conducted some time this week because its not looking good for this gpu.

 

[iameatingjam]

This may work for certain operating systems. Some software will just crash.
Was there not a topic about windows having software issues with those E-Cores? Was ist it a scheduler topic where the threads are put to?

-- Just note that there is a 8 Core cpu on the top of the list usually. With no mixed cores, like E-Cores.

Sorry, I'm not fully understanding, except the part about my cpu no longer being top of line for gaming which I'm well aware of, as I stated in the previous page, here:

I'd like to see the full spectrum honestly.

I mean lets say they do play better with lga1700 cpus period, then perhaps the 12400f would be an excellent budget choice, you could build a quite capable pc for fairly cheap. Perhaps put some used parts in there, idk. Use ddr4 if you are really tight. Buy the cheapest case that comes with fans and a 660 or 760 mobo, wherever you can find a deal. Point is if these two play well together you could make a very cheap capable PC.

Then we could go to something more middleground if the person is on budget now but maybe will have some money later and then can upgrade to any number of GPUs.

Then I just want to see the high end... well kinda for personal reasons, I might buy one if it ever comes down to market price, to 1) help intel in its time of need, and 2) to have a backup GPU and a new toy to play around with.

But yeah thats all if it goes well, in reality, it really could be either extreme or somewhere in the middle. Maybe it plays nice with all of them. Maybe it has a moderate-severe penalty across the board. I mean I know my 14700kf is nowhere near the 9800x3d in gaming, thats no secret. But I want to know I can use all its power if I buy it. Its still data I want to know. I mean intel likely worked on these and tested these primarily on intel chips.

So yeah, I would really like to know.

Anyway I'm sure we'll find out eventually....

But sorry why are my ecores now going to cause me crashes? Do you mean if I get a b580? I don't really know what you mean.

I mean all during the time that they've been available... Or rather, the time they were supposed to be available but weren't. One UK retailer had the A770 Special Edition (or what the Intel reference is called), and maybe one A750 model listed, but they kept disappearing, and they're still not in stock. They've been delisted from that retailer since.

So my point is that it's been two years and you still need unicorn blood, moonstone and a virgin's tears to get an Intel GPU. Any of them.


AMD tends to sell out on day one, but it usually gets back in stock within a couple of days or weeks. This latter part never happened with any Intel GPU so far.

Yeah I wasn't shopping after a new release, quite the opposite. This was that period when amd hadn't released anything in while where nvidia had, and amd was cutting prices to make up for it, I was hoping some of those price cuts would come my way, but they didn't. On the contrary I was faced with prices far exceeding USD equivalency where nvidia was actually slighter cheaper than us msrp.

 

[AusWolf]

Sure, and the human eye can only see 30 FPS, right?

I mean 30 FPS +10% is 33. Or 60 FPS +10% is 66. Not much of a difference.

This is a temporary market condition.

Intel discontinued the A770 back in june, it's not much of a stretch to say that while it may not have been announced the rest of the A series was axed as the B series entered production.

This is a totally disingenuous argument. The 4090 was out of stock for a while after launch, does that mean Nvidia had no halo GPU now? Did the 4070 being out of stock mean the 7800xt had no competition and was the defacto champion? What about the 9800x3d, it was very hard to find, did that mean the 285k was now the champion?

No. The card is still new and selling well. Also the UK is not the world.

I mean that A-series cards have never really been available anywhere ever since they launched (wait, they launched? Where?)

I know the UK is not the whole world, but I can only have an opinion on what I can see with my own eyes, right?