ZOWIE Introduces XL2586X+ eSports Monitor With 600Hz Refresh Rate

[Waldorf]

meeeh, my next one is 65 miniLED.

@capdauntless
so just because i prefer image quality/color gamut/(no) color banding etc, makes me a display snob?
sounds like you dont have any nice things, or ppl could label you as such.

@Dahita
please read the titel again. where does it say office use?
complaining about life expectancy on 1. different use than yours 2. used by folks with enough funds to replace it after 1-2y.
ignoring BI/IR does not equal life expectancy.

 

[Ruru]

They have to realize this isn't selling, there are oled 480hz 2k resolution cheaper..

2K? Isn't 1920x1080 already called FullHD?

600 hz and CRT still betta at 60. lol.

Though that CRT 60Hz flicker is guarantereed to give a horrible headache in a minute. CRT needs at least 85Hz to be flicker-free.

 

[Shuttlepro83]

For sure for some people the flicker will bother them, but honestly crt flicker never bothered me even at 60 hz. My eyes were super sharp back then. LCD blurring has bothered me multiple times though.

 

[Prima.Vera]

For sure for some, but honestly crt flicker never bothered me. LCD blurring has though.

A CRT at 85Hz will have zero flicker, while being smoother and faster than any possible LCD high refresh monitors out there, INCLUDING this 600hz monitor, or the other 750Hz one.
Only problem is their smaller size compared to the LCDs....

 

[Pepamami]

CS 2 is the most popular game on steam with 1.5M concurrent players right now. None of the compettive players use bigger than 24.5" monitors.

they probably play the game 24/7 and can't afford bigger displays

 

[Dr. Dro]

Have you actually checked with videos such as this?

I'd get an OLED at an instant if burn-ins weren't a problem. I know they are as my friend's LG TV had quite a bit burn ins

Like I said, image retention is not a problem unless you're looking at continuous operation at retina searing brightness levels displaying static content for extended periods of time.

Technology has matured a lot and mitigations such as pixel shifting and panel cleaning exist.

 

[Dahita]

My LG G3 is at 4114 hours, no sign of image retention whatsoever. A year has around 8760 hours, and I purchased it in September 2023. It's just the beginning of January 2025 now, so it spent almost 50% of the time I have owned it powered on. OLEDs will hold up fine, just like CRTs held up fine all those years. Just keep the burn in mitigations enabled and use a screensaver or turn it off with your remote when you go AFK (which is what I do)

I'm sorry, you've held an OLED for a little over a year, that must mean you own this technology!

How Long Should A TV Last? Our 100 TV Accelerated Longevity And Burn-In Test

We've decided to run 100 TVs through a grueling 2-year test, turning on and off eight times a day, for a total of 126 hours per week, with each TV at its brightest settings.

www.rtings.com

Burn-ins are inherent to the technology, whether you like it or not. Actually, even LCD burn-ins are a thing if you push it. I'm sorry you're in denial.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I'm sorry, you've held an OLED for a little over a year, that must mean you own this technology!

How Long Should A TV Last? Our 100 TV Accelerated Longevity And Burn-In Test

We've decided to run 100 TVs through a grueling 2-year test, turning on and off eight times a day, for a total of 126 hours per week, with each TV at its brightest settings.

www.rtings.com

Burn-ins are inherent to the technology, whether you like it or not. Actually, even LCD burn-ins are a thing if you push it. I'm sorry you're in denial.

I'm talking about real world conditions, not some fantasy hypothetical. I'm well aware of the RTINGS tests and these TVs are pretty much all under torture test conditions for years on end.

Yet many of them actually held up well, in addition to shattering the myth that LCD displays are universally more resilient.

I don't see how RTINGS proved what I said wrong, if anything their data reinforces my point: take care of your display and it will take care of you

 

[Dahita]

I'm talking about real world conditions, not some fantasy hypothetical. I'm well aware of the RTINGS tests and these TVs are pretty much all under torture test conditions for years on end.

Yet many of them actually held up well, in addition to shattering the myth that LCD displays are universally more resilient.

I don't see how RTINGS proved what I said wrong, if anything their data reinforces my point: take care of your display and it will take care of you

They aren't under torture test. They are turned on roughly 18 hours a day, that's pretty much the same as a PC monitor. Yours is turned on 9 hours a day, you're only half way there. You will have to show me WHERE, ANYWHERE on the internet do you have a reliable test that "shatters" the "myth" that LCDs are more resilient. They are more resilient by nature.

You choose to ignore technological facts my friend. Whether some hold better than others is one thing, but OLED used intensively will degrade over time faster than LCD, period.

@Dahita
please read the titel again. where does it say office use?
complaining about life expectancy on 1. different use than yours 2. used by folks with enough funds to replace it after 1-2y.
ignoring BI/IR does not equal life expectancy.

What?

1- Am I allowed to use a monitor as I please?
2- Can you fathom someone using a monitor for both games AND office work?
3- I'm one of these folks you mention and no, I don't want to have to replace my screen every year, thank you very much.

 

[Shuttlepro83]

2K? Isn't 1920x1080 already called FullHD?


Though that CRT 60Hz flicker is guarantereed to give a horrible headache in a minute. CRT needs at least 85Hz to be flicker-free.

A CRT at 85Hz will have zero flicker, while being smoother and faster than any possible LCD high refresh monitors out there, INCLUDING this 600hz monitor, or the other 750Hz one.
Only problem is their smaller size compared to the LCDs....

I'm a champion for CRT's sorry if I came across as anything else. I would rather game on a CRT than a modern 165 hz (or 600 hz) LCD honestly. I understand a CRT at 85 is best I just was saying that even a 600 hz LCD can't keep up with an old CRT. It's gotten better but not fully.

 

[Dr. Dro]

They aren't under torture test. They are turned on roughly 18 hours a day, that's pretty much the same as a PC monitor. Yours is turned on 9 hours a day, you're only half way there. You will have to show me WHERE, ANYWHERE on the internet do you have a reliable test that "shatters" the "myth" that LCDs are more resilient. They are more resilient by nature.

You choose to ignore technological facts my friend. Whether some hold better than others is one thing, but OLED used intensively will degrade over time faster than LCD, period.

What?

1- Am I allowed to use a monitor as I please?
2- Can you fathom someone using a monitor for both games AND office work?
3- I'm one of these folks you mention and no, I don't want to have to replace my screen every year, thank you very much.

Turned on 20* hours a day:

- At maximum brightness
- Displaying a static image
- On a stuffy, hot warehouse (hot panel), with intentional heat cycles

It is literally an accelerated torture test, and even budget models like the A1 only started exhibiting noticeable image retention by month 22

LG A1 OLED Review (OLED48A1PUA, OLED55A1PUA, OLED65A1PUA, OLED77A1PUA)

The LG A1 OLED is an entry-level OLED released in 2021, sitting below the LG B1 OLED and the more popular LG C1 OLED. It delivers nearly identical picture qualit...

www.rtings.com

If I choose to ignore technological facts, you choose to ignore reality. You won't operate an OLED at 100% brightness for 20 hours a day, I would have permanent eyesight damage if I set my G3 to maximum brightness by the time I finished writing this reply to you.

Also to cover Waldorf's point: I use my OLED for work AND play.

 

[Dahita]

Turned on 20* hours a day:

- At maximum brightness
- Displaying a static image
- On a stuffy, hot warehouse (hot panel), with intentional heat cycles

It is literally an accelerated torture test, and even budget models like the A1 only started exhibiting noticeable image retention by month 22

LG A1 OLED Review (OLED48A1PUA, OLED55A1PUA, OLED65A1PUA, OLED77A1PUA)

The LG A1 OLED is an entry-level OLED released in 2021, sitting below the LG B1 OLED and the more popular LG C1 OLED. It delivers nearly identical picture qualit...

www.rtings.com

If I choose to ignore technological facts, you choose to ignore reality. You won't operate an OLED at 100% brightness for 20 hours a day, I would have permanent eyesight damage if I set my G3 to maximum brightness by the time I finished writing this reply to you.

Also to cover Waldorf's point: I use my OLED for work AND play.

You are not correct. "Each TV will run for either 20 or 15.5 hours per day, for a total of 126 hours per week". That's 18 hours a day average.

Doesn't say anything about hot, stuffy warehouse, and static content.... like a windows task bar? The only part you have correct is max brightness.

OLEDs can suffer from burn-ins and will suffer from picture degradation over time, especially when used as a computer monitor. Whether you like it or not.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Really think pro players that make thousands of dollars a match are bothered about OLED they are bothered about frame rate, and most don't even run highest settings, as it lowers frame rate. This is perfect for them.

 

[Dr. Dro]

You are not correct. "Each TV will run for either 20 or 15.5 hours per day, for a total of 126 hours per week". That's 18 hours a day average.

Doesn't say anything about hot, stuffy warehouse, and static content.... like a windows task bar? The only part you have correct is max brightness.

OLEDs can suffer from burn-ins and will suffer from picture degradation over time, especially when used as a computer monitor. Whether you like it or not.

You haven't even read the article you linked me...

Really think pro players that make thousands of dollars a match are bothered about OLED they are bothered about frame rate, and most don't even run highest settings, as it lowers frame rate. This is perfect for them.

Inconsequential, to them that is work and the company will provide the work hardware

 

[Legacy-ZA]

A question for only those that had 100/120Hz CRT monitors and now have an OLED monitor; How would you rate the responsiveness between the two technologies?

 

[Shuttlepro83]

CRT is best.

 

[Waldorf]

@Ruru
in cinema speak, 1080p for tvs is named HD, and 2K for those with different res/aspect ratios, depending on "source".

@Dahita
sure, but then buy one that offers use for both, not something like this purely optimized for gaming, and the "complain" about lack of office 'features".

sold oleds (and other type tvs) from sony for over a decade, in multiple gov stores selling all major brands (and rebadged/value stuff) as well,
tvs running from 9-9 (sun 9-6), with all tvs showing either (gov) made video (about products/service/offers), or (usually higher end) running high res/high refresh content,
both times "synced", so ppl can see same images on all, even if its just (the same) brand content across their devices (making it easier to point out one brand).
we had at least 3 different oleds , same for LG, NONE ever experienced image retention (except lower tier LGs for first couple years),

all sony oleds where still in use +5y after purchase, incl those i used as demo (~1y) on the floor/shop, and when ppl are spending 2-5K,
you can bet they would have come to me, as some of my customers i knew for +10y, with most only buying at whatever store i was at the time.
(besides, sony sells oled grading monis for 30-50K, do you think companies are fine with it becoming unusable within a few years?)

until you show that oleds have a higher failure rate with actual consumer use (whatever that might be) based on return/repair data,
your making an educated guess, based on just review/test use.

how many times have i seen tires being "shredded" after a (few) rounds around the track, yet only know one person that actually had it happening in the real world,
and that was on purpose, as the customer claimed the tires weren't producing expected grip.

@Legacy-ZA
i didnt play much fps back when i still had one, but under win use never had issues above 75Hz.
ppl need to remember that many screens now have things like "OS"/features running, crts didnt have, e.g. not sure how much response is "lost" on lcd.

that said, on my vrr (tv), im even have no problem with 60Hz when using game mode (and all processing turned off), and its similar for the oleds i used for gaming (at work ).

 

[Upgrayedd]

Need 1000Hz, 1440p and 38” Ultra-wide or no buy.

maybe 3 years at the current rate? the next round of GPUs?

 

[Legacy-ZA]

maybe 3 years at the current rate? the next round of GPUs?

I was actually just jesting;

It would be interesting to see, I would like to think that it will make ones viewing experience near perfect, with anything higher giving near or no extra benefits, hopefully by that time, they also solved OLED burn-in.

But yes, I doubt GPU's would be able to push that high, well, maybe, but then to afford this type of gaming, you would have to sell your house, car, kidney, child, just so you can game. I will just check on review sites to marvel at it, or if I, maybe, one day also have "f-u money"

 

[Dr. Dro]

A question for only those that had 100/120Hz CRT monitors and now have an OLED monitor; How would you rate the responsiveness between the two technologies?

Quite comparable, and they also generally have a similar level of motion clarity. The primary difference is in presentation, OLED panels are sample and hold while CRTs display through a rolling scan. This means they generally differ in the type of perceived motion blur effect, you will probably feel (at least I do) that the CRT is just a teensy bit smoother, likely due to phosphor persistence.

If you were to objectively quantify it in terms of time, I don't believe you would be able to tell the difference.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

Quite comparable, and they also generally have a similar level of motion clarity. The primary difference is in presentation, OLED panels are sample and hold while CRTs display through a rolling scan. This means they generally differ in the type of perceived motion blur effect, you will probably feel (at least I do) that the CRT is just a teensy bit smoother, likely due to phosphor persistence.

If you were to objectively quantify it in terms of time, I don't believe you would be able to tell the difference.

Thank you, you have explained it quite well.

Mmmm, I must start thinking about upgrading my monitor, as that is acceptable, certainly more than this monitor, I will wait and see how the upcoming 3rd gen panels do, take the plunge as it were, I am a sucker for deep beautiful blacks as I play a lot of horror/thriller and space related game titles.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Thank you, you have explained it quite well.

Mmmm, I must start thinking about upgrading my monitor, as that is acceptable, certainly more than this monitor, I will wait and see how the upcoming 3rd gen panels do, take the plunge as it were, I am a sucker for deep beautiful blacks as I play a lot of horror/thriller and space related game titles.

OLED is an absolute treat, and that's easily one if the best areas it will bring an improvement even over high grade IPSes, games with lots of darker areas will all be reproduced faithfully, with a very rich color gamut. But the fact that its pixel response time is instant means you are going to have exceptional motion clarity as long as your frame rate can keep up. This last part is rather important and you may find yourself in the same shoes as me, that's pretty much why I wanna get an RTX 5090.

Starfield on my G3 absolutely blew me away at the time.

 

[Prima.Vera]

A question for only those that had 100/120Hz CRT monitors and now have an OLED monitor; How would you rate the responsiveness between the two technologies?

I'm curious about plasma TV's also. The good quality ones, not the washout garbage. Too bad that after 5 years, sometimes less, their colors fade away and also their contrast.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

I'm curious about plasma TV's also. The good quality ones, not the washout garbage. Too bad that after 5 years, sometimes less, their colors fade away and also their contrast.

I have never owned a Plasma, I actually don't know much about the technology itself, maybe someone else can help.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I have never owned a Plasma, I actually don't know much about the technology itself, maybe someone else can help.

Plasma displays are quite intriguing, complex technology which involves ionized noble gases and heavy metals like mercury, which react with the phosphors on the screen. These phosphors can wear out (same phenomenon as CRT burn in, phosphors that are activated for extended periods of time or with excess intensity will lose their properties), resulting in image retention over time. The Wikipedia article on plasma explains it well and in detail, but it very much gave way to OLED which has all the good characteristics without most the bad, while being much cleaner to produce and recycle.

There is an upcoming technology denominated MicroLED which should finally do away with OLED's weakness: that it is organic. Being inorganic means that MicroLED panels should be largely immune to burn in even at high brightness settings, while retaining the quick response times. However there are no consumer grade displays using this technology yet and the very few niche products that do are supremely expensive.

Also ran into this earlier this morning, I think you may be interested

I'm curious about plasma TV's also. The good quality ones, not the washout garbage. Too bad that after 5 years, sometimes less, their colors fade away and also their contrast.

Unfortunately, this is inevitable with plasma displays, it occurs due to phosphor layer wear. Technically this also happens with CRTs if the electron gun's misaligned or the flyback transformer is bad, if you see an old TV set that doesn't seem to output an image anymore but instead displays a very bright line in the middle, this is what's going on... turn it off immediately because there is an extreme risk of that line getting burned out