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Do you hate printers as much as I do?

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The business model of extorting every last nickel they can out of consumers via horrifically overpriced consumables for dirt cheap hardware is at the root of my ire.

We have a Samsung laser printer we got at Micro Center that accepts third party supplies without issue, and it has been holding up well for a few years now. We don't print all that often, just for financial and tax documents mainly.
Well that's lucky cause most HP and Epson printers do NOT like 3rd party cartridges at all.

I mean for the price of cartridges, you can almost buy a whole new printer every time you need ink. Total sham.
 
@ShrimpBrime
That’s the point. It’s the “razor and blades” model, this shit is older than dirt. I guess jury rigging your printer to run bootleg cartridges/ink is like me buying discounted cheap pink “women’s” blades since they are often cheaper and are functionally exactly the fucking same.
 
this guy sure hates them lol. though, more so for the vintage/retro issues of using such old hardware

 
Well that's lucky cause most HP and Epson printers do NOT like 3rd party cartridges at all.
They may not like them, but by law, at least in the US and EU, they have to accept them now.

As I said above, I understand why the printer makers want to control inks (and toners). The problem with 3rd party ink is a total lack of consistency. Ink is actually some pretty high-tech stuff. And HP, Epson, Brother and the others make their inks using specific and patented formulas with very tight controls for consistency batch after batch. That requires very costly investments by the printer makers - and one reason genuine inks are so expensive. It is not just about color consistency - though that is a big part of it. But how the various "prime" colors blend to make other colors, the size of the dots that hit the paper, how the ink is absorbed by the paper, how much (or how little) it bleeds after hitting the paper, how quickly it dries, etc., etc.

Only the original printer makers can ensure and warranty their inks to be consistent, batch after batch, year after year. And how only the original printer makers can ensure their inks will not damage the printers.

The 3rd party makers have to reverse engineer and make their own formulas (without violating any patents). That is an expensive process, especially considering how many different printer makers and printers (and all-in-ones) there are out there. So all the different 3rd party ink makers, unwilling to share formulas with their competition, have their own formulas and their own suppliers of the raw materials. This means if you buy your ink from Office Depot this time, Sam's next, then LD Products, and BestBuy after that, you likely will be using different formulas each time. And who knows how their suppliers maintain consistency of those formulas batch after batch?

Then what happens if cheap, 3rd party ink (or a faulty cartridge) fouls up or damages a print head when the printer is still under warranty? Who is going to cover that? This is the primary argument the printer makers continually use to justify requiring genuine ink.

Are genuine inks (and toners) too expensive? Absolutely! And part of that is because consumers are demanding cheaper and cheaper printers so the printer makers end up selling those "disposable" devices at a loss. Recouping those expenses through original ink costs is their only recourse.

I mean seriously? A HP DeskJet 2734e Wireless All-In-One Inkjet Printer with 6 months of Instant Ink included for only $35!! ?? With a 1 year warranty? No way HP is making any money off the sell of that.
 
Lexmark is an alternative
I support those at work.

I think I'd rather shave my head and glue post it notes in as a cheap cosplay of the animal crossing villager before a big meeting then se one of those for home use. Not to mention lexmark is one of the worst offenders of locking you out of supplies. Even if they still work fine, the printer decided it is END OF LIFE and you MUST replace it, and dont you DARE think of using third party.
 
I have a
  • Dell B2360dn
which is actually a
  • Lexmark MS312dn
and run it on 3rd party cartridges.

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Every printer I've had developed issues with picking up the paper. Some more, some less. The situation has been a bit better with Canon than with HP. HP printers are pure garbage.
 
I don't have any particular brand loyalty. Just depends on the need and the budget. I use a lot of Brothers because I really like their desktop scanners and color laser MFC printers, and their Iprint&scan software is easy for users. Konica and Oki are nice. See a lot of Roland, AMT, and Zebra for specialty printers.

Still......kind of hate them all.
 
Every printer I've had developed issues with picking up the paper. Some more, some less.
yep.

I'm wondering if gluing some sort of rubber to the rollers to make them "spongy" again would help with the issue
 
this guy sure hates them lol. though, more so for the vintage/retro issues of using such old hardware


I still own a dot matrix printer, a Star Micronics NX-1000C that I used to use with the Commodore 64 back in the day. It just sits in the box in storage now, not even sure if any of the ink ribbons I have work or if I could even get a replacement. I think you can re-ink the ribbons yourself, though, but I don't think I have any tractor feed paper any longer, so not going to bother. Maybe someday if I'm bored.
 
I seem to have a different experience. I've had pretty good luck with them throughout the years, from big corporate models, to small SOHO printers.

Sure, none have had a perfect track record, but frequent screw ups? Nope. I do avoid the super cheap (almost disposable) printing devices. Those are asking for trouble.

My current AiO device is a HP Photosmart 7525 Inkjet that is coming up on 11 years old. It has 11,512 total pages printed and still looks great. And surprising to me, this last weekend I actually had to use its fax feature to fax my new insurance number to a medical lab - and it worked perfectly too. That said, since the copy function works properly, I guess I should not have been surprised the fax function worked fine too.

I learned long ago to use "reserved" or static IP addresses for networked printers. Reserved is easier but some routers prefer static. Anyway, using a "fixed" IP address for networked printing devices (and NAS drives) prevents IP address assignment "shifting" after long power outages. This ensures none of the computing devices on the network grab the printer's IP address should they come back on line before the printer. That, in turn, ensures all the computing devices remain properly configured to print to the printer instead of me having to "add a new device" when power is restored.

The second thing I learned long ago is to never, as in NEVER EVER install the printer maker's software suite that come with most of these devices. Typically, and hopefully, Windows will recognize and already have the necessary drivers to print to the device. But if not, most, if not all printer makers maintain the drivers (without all the bloated software) on the device's webpage. Use that instead. This is something to investigate BEFORE purchase when researching new devices.

The third thing is to ensure any device you are buying has a built in web-server or similar feature that allows you to access the device's internal menu system with your browser. In this way, you can fax, scan, check ink levels, check printer status, and more with your browser WITHOUT using the makers bloated software. :) Something else to look for in your researching.

I have two recurring problems with this HP 7525 that have developed over the last couple years. (1) Yellow ink cartridges occasionally fail to be recognized by the cartridge carriage assembly. Simply reseating the cartridge and pressing OK gets it going again. And (2) the rubber rollers for the copier's automatic document feeder have hardened and become smooth over time. This results in the feeder failing to grab the next sheet in a multipage document I am copying. Since I cannot remember the last time I had to copy a multipage document, no big deal for me. But should that need occur, it really is not hard to simply copy a page one at a time from the flatbed. Fortunately, the printer feature is able to grab new sheets into the printer, flip the sheet to print on side 2, then spit the printout without a problem.

So I like my HP AiO. I do NOT like HP, the company however. I do NOT like their bloated spyware... err... software so I don't use it. I do NOT like their aggressive (at time, illegal) policy for using genuine inks. I understand it, but I don't like it. And for sure, HP is not alone there.

One new trend I do not like is it appears most new devices from all the makers are white. I don't like white printers, white computer cases, white monitors, etc. All the electronic devices in my office are black. A white printer would look out of place. While white devices do look nice - for the first couple years, after that they tend to yellow and look dingy. That said, I am more into practicality than aesthetics so if white is the best option when I am ready to buy again, so be it.

It's probably because yours is an older business oriented model since it still has the fax capability and all.

The biggest problem with HP today imo is their relentless ink DRM and the fact they are pretty much running the supply mafia. The ink DRM allows them to charge whatever they want for the cartridges, refuse to print in black without a color cartridge installed, refuse to print without a genuine HP cartridge installed (because HP has the exclusive right to manufacture ink, you know), deduct page count from cartridges without the ink actually being used and claim it's empty once the page count allowed reaches zero, even though the cartridge is not empty - there are so many brutal anti-consumer practices that were reported over time and no amount of litigation made them stop. Profits are so high they just keep settling. HP can even remotely disable your ink cartridge and make it useless if you happen to miss a payment on their ink rent scam.

The printers being below the devil's own sweaty balls in terms of quality and utterly unreliable mechanically is just an added extra.
 
I still own a dot matrix printer, a Star Micronics NX-1000C that I used to use with the Commodore 64 back in the day. It just sits in the box in storage now, not even sure if any of the ink ribbons I have work or if I could even get a replacement. I think you can re-ink the ribbons yourself, though, but I don't think I have any tractor feed paper any longer, so not going to bother. Maybe someday if I'm bored.

Had a glorious Olivetti PT1000 the size of a bedframe

The whole apartment building knew you were printing :toast:
 
Printers are the devil and HP printers are his ballsack. I dont know how HP gets away with making printers that straight up do not work, but they do, frequently, especially when you are in the weeds. Client bought a HP standalone (against my advice) and wanted it to scan to his email. HOURS spent configuring the firmware, led to the conclusion that email authentication straight up doesnt work on this thing. I hav eno answers as to why, it just doesnt. No error codes, it just doesnt do anything.

Or lexmark. God help you if you need to fix one of those. Their maintenance guides used to be great, written by engineers I swear came from IBM. Exact same style of writing. Well, that was "too hard" for people to follow, so they hired some new guys. Now, half the steps either dont tell you what to do (remove the flatbed, OK, how do I do that/ Where are the fasteners? How many screws are there? Doesnt say) or are straight up wrong (remove these screws and the tray comes out. OOPS, we didnt tell you you need to disconnect this other part first and remove 4 more screws, now you need to replace more parts!).

I laughed so hard at this part (the devil and ballsack bits) but it's such a true statement. I've used Epson printers for years and they've all been great. Couple years ago though, my mom needed a printer, but she wanted "something simple" (she's not very...shall we say...technical) and cheap. She settled on some bottom of the barrel HP Deskjet (against my advice) and...jeebus help me, it was the biggest PoS I've ever dealt with. Half the time it wouldn't work, it had this dinky black and white screen that was about as useful as tits on a bull when it came to gleaming information, was ALWAYS having to clean the printer heads. And then don't EVEN get me started on the damn ink cartridges :banghead::banghead::banghead: Not only were they ridiculously small, but we were always having to buy the damn things and they would run out at the most inconvenient moments, like when my mom had to get important documents printed up and mailed out before a certain date. That HP printer was a nightmare.

Then about a year ago, we went halfsies on one of those Espon Eco-Tanks and still haven't had to replace a tank yet :clap:
 
I waste less time and it's less headache just outsourcing my occasional print jobs. Fuck personally owning a printer anymore. I probably spend less money on printing by no longer owning a printer and just going to the print shop.
 
I waste less time and it's less headache just outsourcing my occasional print jobs. Fuck personally owning a printer anymore. I probably spend less money on printing by no longer owning a printer and just going to the print shop.
True. The only thing a personal printer is better at is less hassle. One click is so much less effort than going to the print shop.
 
honestly I'm not buying an inkjet printer ever again. Laser or bust.
For sure. Konica C258 at the shop takes like 5 to 10 minutes to warm up. After that you can print a few hundred pages in just a couple minutes. Copy a paper in a couple of seconds. If it was affordable, I'd have one at home. But it does perform like a 3500$ machine :). Isn't mine, but I actually love that printer lol.
 
First thing I would try is a firmware update.
Be careful about this, after an update the printer might require genuine toner or inks and no longer work with aftermarket parts, even with the genuine chip on them.
 
True. The only thing a personal printer is better at is less hassle. One click is so much less effort than going to the print shop.
I'm hiring you as my personal printer. Now please take this usb stick to print shop and I'll buy your lunch.
 
Every printer I've had developed issues with picking up the paper. Some more, some less.
I have learned that the paper matters. This is one area where I ensure I buy HP paper. I have found other brands/generic paper is more "dusty" with tiny particles of paper "fuzz" or lint or whatever you want to call it. This fuzz quickly builds up on the rollers, causing the rollers to lose their grip. Quality paper has much less fuzz - not to mention yields sharper text and color images.
I'm wondering if gluing some sort of rubber to the rollers to make them "spongy" again would help with the issue
Gluing? Ummm, no. That surely would gum up with dust and paper fuzz in no time. There are rubber cleaner/rejuvenator products designed specifically for that purpose. The problem is, most of these low-cost printing devices are designed and assembled in such a way that makes them nearly, or completely impossible to disassemble without "breaking" open the case to gain access to the rubber rollers. These assembly techniques that use glue and permanent "snaps" and hooks reduce product costs significantly but make any sort of maintenance without permanently destroying the case in the process of disassembly impossible. That's another reason I call these devises "disposable". And surely HP, Lexmark, Canon, etc. would prefer we buy new, rather than fix old (and clutter up the landfills :() anyway.
It's probably because yours is an older business oriented model since it still has the fax capability and all.
Older, yes. Business oriented? While I would classify my HP 7525 as a SOHO (small office, home office) device, calling it "business oriented" is a big stretch. Just because it has fax capability does not make it business oriented - except in the minds of the marketing weenies. The MSRP for mine was just $199.99 and typically sold for around $150.

That was 2014 prices but look at this $70 Canon PIXMA TR4720 All-in-One Wireless Printer being sold today, in 2025. It has built-in fax, scan, copy print with automatic paper feeder too including automatic duplex (two sided) printing. Again, for only $70. Business oriented? Maybe for a one-person business printing shipping labels out of his or her garage. But even then, I would not expect it to last very long.

To me, a business oriented printing device should be able to QUICKLY spit out dozens of printouts, every day, 5 days a week, for the life of the printer - which better be significantly longer than the warranty period!
 
Older, yes. Business oriented? While I would classify my HP 7525 as a SOHO (small office, home office) device, calling it "business oriented" is a big stretch. Just because it has fax capability does not make it business oriented - except in the minds of the marketing weenies. The MSRP for mine was just $199.99 and typically sold for around $150.

That was 2014 prices but look at this $70 Canon PIXMA TR4720 All-in-One Wireless Printer being sold today, in 2025. It has built-in fax, scan, copy print with automatic paper feeder too including automatic duplex (two sided) printing. Again, for only $70. Business oriented? Maybe for a one-person business printing shipping labels out of his or her garage. But even then, I would not expect it to last very long.

To me, a business oriented printing device should be able to QUICKLY spit out dozens of printouts, every day, 5 days a week, for the life of the printer - which better be significantly longer than the warranty period!

I mean, the only country I know that still regularly uses fax is Japan (due to outdated customs and a very stubborn refusal to get on with the times), but it's probably leaps and bounds ahead of the usual low cost DeskJet of the 2020s. Glad that yours at least still has supplies available and/or takes aftermarket cartridges. In addition to the Xerox printer I normally use we also have an HP ink tank wireless 416, it also has a scanner and all, the ink tank mostly solves the HP ink supply problem, but the drivers are horrible, at least on Windows. The best thing about the Xerox is that you can print right off your iPhone and it just works... it's also got a web server where you can print things directly wirelessly. Works for me...
 
I mean, the only country I know that still regularly uses fax is Japan
That definitely is not true, as a simple Bing DDG Google search would tell. Yes, fax use in Japan thrives. But several industries in Germany, England and US still heavily rely on fax technologies. In the UK, NHS (National Health System) depends on it as it is inherently more secure than email, for example. The health care industry in the US depends on it too to ensure compliance with HIPAA (patient privacy) laws. In Germany, 82% of German companies use faxes as you can easily verify delivery and maintain a proper "paper trail".

Fax Remains a Dominant Form of Communication in These Countries

Don't forget - one does not need a fax machine to send a fax. "There's an app for that." Several actually.
 
I have learned that the paper matters. This is one area where I ensure I buy HP paper. I have found other brands/generic paper is more "dusty" with tiny particles of paper "fuzz" or lint or whatever you want to call it. This fuzz quickly builds up on the rollers, causing the rollers to lose their grip. Quality paper has much less fuzz - not to mention yields sharper text and color images.
I never thought of that. I'll have a proper look next time I buy paper. Thanks. :)
 
I support those at work.

I think I'd rather shave my head and glue post it notes in as a cheap cosplay of the animal crossing villager before a big meeting then se one of those for home use. Not to mention lexmark is one of the worst offenders of locking you out of supplies. Even if they still work fine, the printer decided it is END OF LIFE and you MUST replace it, and dont you DARE think of using third party.
Get a video of yourself shaving your head and gluing post it notes in as a cheap cosplay of the animal crossing villager before a meeting.
 
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