What was lacking GPU-wise at this year's CES

[Zach_01]

Based on my comment above, I have my doubts.


It drops the fun factor, too.


And what will humans do? Lay on the sofa, watch TV and get fat? Or work for AI-run companies? Quite unrealistic images, both of them.

Don't get me wrong, if AI could take over my job so I could get paid for nothing, I'm all in. But 1. I don't see that happen anytime soon, and 2. Creative jobs, like art should always be in human hands (I don't work with art unfortunately).


Machines break. Relying 100% on a machine is just as idiotic as Tesla's fully electric door handle.

What the actual society will look like I cannot predict. And none of us can really.
All I said was what AI will do. What impact will really have is unknown (good or bad).

Who can really be sure if one day in distant future AI could be creating art and not just copying it.
Can you be absolutely sure? Are you making an assumption based on intuition?

And you keep saying what you say based on current AI capabilities and technology. But both are/can improve exponentially. Starting now with driving, fixing images and generating frames.

AI driving is taking all the fun away but improving accidents. Said by me… look at my avatar/profile pic. I assure you I’m having fun with driving.

Like it or not the human factor in tasks like this is the most unreliable for many different reasons.
I work in an oil refinery. The automated security systems are top only after nuclear plants and spaceships. With double and triple redundancy backups.
Same thing with will be with AI driving. It’s all about safety and not leaving matters into the hands of humans when lives are at stake.
Today is starting as individual card driving, and “tomorrow” will be every vehicle on grid talking to each other.

A simple example: you will never fight your way again into the next lane, as the side vehicles will make space for yours.
Humans can be stupid and egocentric besides creative and wonderful. I’m sure you are seeing it every day on the street/road.

I’m not saying this is the best or not.
Buts it’s what it will come to.
You want to drive for fun? Go to the track or do it in the super duper VR simulation, they will say….
We are saving lives here…

 

[AVATARAT]

Fake frames are just fake frames, with the help of AI they can optimize them a bit more, but in a faster scene they will always fail.
And in the end I can accept 1, but more in some scenarios are just stupid. Maybe for these new high hertz monitors, there might be some benefit, but I'm not sure.

This is explained well here.

 

[AusWolf]

What the actual society will look like I cannot predict. And none of us can really.
All I said was what AI will do. What impact will really have is unknown (good or bad).

Who can really be sure if one day in distant future AI could be creating art and not just copying it.
Can you be absolutely sure? Are you making an assumption based on intuition?

And you keep saying what you say based on current AI capabilities and technology. But both are/can improve exponentially. Starting now with driving, fixing images and generating frames.

AI driving is taking all the fun away but improving accidents. Said by me… look at my avatar/profile pic. I assure you I’m having fun with driving.

Like it or not the human factor in tasks like this is the most unreliable for many different reasons.
I work in an oil refinery. The automated security systems are top only after nuclear plants and spaceships. With double and triple redundancy backups.
Same thing with will be with AI driving. It’s all about safety and not leaving matters into the hands of humans when lives are at stake.
Today is starting as individual card driving, and “tomorrow” will be every vehicle on grid talking to each other.

A simple example: you will never fight your way again into the next lane, as the side vehicles will make space for yours.
Humans can be stupid and egocentric besides creative and wonderful. I’m sure you are seeing it every day on the street/road.

I’m not saying this is the best or not.
Buts it’s what it will come to.
You want to drive for fun? Go to the track or do it in the super duper VR simulation, they will say….
We are saving lives here…

I'm not saying that AI can't do art. I'm saying that it shouldn't. Without original content created by original humans with original life experiences, we're nothing.

I see the merits of automated driving, but I don't think it should completely replace what we have today. I also think we should make humans safer with better education first and foremost. "He who sacrifices freedom for safety deserves neither." (Benjamin Franklin) Seeing AI as an antidote and excuse for human ignorance and stupidity is wrong.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'm not saying that AI can't do art. I'm saying that it shouldn't. Without original content created by original humans with original life experiences, we're nothing.

I see the merits of automated driving, but I don't think it should completely replace what we have today. I also think we should make humans safer with better education first and foremost. "He who sacrifices freedom for safety deserves neither." (Benjamin Franklin) Seeing AI as an antidote and excuse for human ignorance and stupidity is wrong.

Eventually it will rise up and wipe us all out.... Earth will likely be better off..... Shame I won't be around when it happens.

 

[AusWolf]

Eventually it will rise up and wipe us all out.... Earth will likely be better off..... Shame I won't be around when it happens.

Be glad you won't be around. At least you won't be wiped out.

Seriously though, AI is a tool, and like every tool, it should be used for the right purposes. You can use a screwdriver to poke someone's eyes out, or to install your new graphics card. It all depends on how mature you are, and in case of AI, how mature we are as a species (not very much I'm afraid).

Using AI to take over art, creativity, and everything that makes us human and makes life fun is not the right way to go, imo.

 

[Zach_01]

Good watch about the COD benchmark and IGN results.

If IGN was accurate the 9070 would almost be 50% faster than the 7900XT

Is COD BO6 using any kind of ray tracing? Because if it is, even a light version of RT like FarCry6 DXR (not real RT), and 9070 is more capable in these type of workloads can this be true?
Up to 7900XT raster performance but +30% over 7900XTX on RT and lighting stuff? I can believe that, maybe...
Still need to see legit benchmarks and comparisons. Just trying to make sense here.

I'm not saying that AI can't do art. I'm saying that it shouldn't. Without original content created by original humans with original life experiences, we're nothing.

I see the merits of automated driving, but I don't think it should completely replace what we have today. I also think we should make humans safer with better education first and foremost. "He who sacrifices freedom for safety deserves neither." (Benjamin Franklin) Seeing AI as an antidote and excuse for human ignorance and stupidity is wrong.

Be glad you won't be around. At least you won't be wiped out.

Seriously though, AI is a tool, and like every tool, it should be used for the right purposes. You can use a screwdriver to poke someone's eyes out, or to install your new graphics card. It all depends on how mature you are, and in case of AI, how mature we are as a species (not very much I'm afraid).

Using AI to take over art, creativity, and everything that makes us human and makes life fun is not the right way to go, imo.

Like you said, another tool.
Some will use it for real help and others for whatever their heads come up. Always been and always will be I think.
As for the quote of Benjamin Franklin I can say that this already is happening in some aspects of life. Sad but its happening.

Also I am not aware at least in my country, at any level of education, to have a course of good behavior. To teach children from early years and also later through out the whole educational life to be "better" humans.
We are always trying to fight bad symptoms but almost never cared taking act to not have these bad symptoms in the first place. At least not in an organized way.
Learn this, make money, maximize profits, buy stuff... in a nutshell.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Is COD BO6 using any kind of ray tracing? Because if it is, even a light version of RT like FarCry6 DXR (not real RT), and 9070 is more capable in these type of workloads can this be true?
Up to 7900XT raster performance but +30% over 7900XTX on RT and lighting stuff? I can believe that, maybe...
Still need to see legit benchmarks and comparisons. Just trying to make sense here.

There is no RT is completely raster performance. It's a MP benchmark.

My guess is the ign person set it to extreme likely from balanced and didn't restart the game not realizing the settings don't stick.

 

[AusWolf]

Like you said, another tool.
Some will use it for real help and others for whatever their heads come up. Always been and always will be I think.
As for the quote of Benjamin Franklin I can say that this already is happening in some aspects of life. Sad but its happening.

I just found this video, it's quite interesting:

 

[JustBenching]

I just found this video, it's quite interesting:

My 2 cents regarding the subject, yes it's not incredibly useful for creating anything right now, but whoever judges what it will do based on what it can do is being myopic. Stock image services are now filled with AI nonsense that are unusable, but that's now. Compare it though to what it was 3 years ago, and extrapolate to what it can do 3 years from now, and it's kinda obvious that it is the future.

It took us thousands upon thousands of years to get something off the ground, but it took us 15 after that for commercial airflights. Advancements can get rapidly accelerated.

 

[AusWolf]

My 2 cents regarding the subject, yes it's not incredibly useful for creating anything right now, but whoever judges what it will do based on what it can do is being myopic. Stock image services are now filled with AI nonsense that are unusable, but that's now. Compare it though to what it was 3 years ago, and extrapolate to what it can do 3 years from now, and it's kinda obvious that it is the future.

It took us thousands upon thousands of years to get something off the ground, but it took us 15 after that for commercial airflights. Advancements can get rapidly accelerated.

I'll try to find the video I watched a few months ago about an experiment. They took (I think) 200 pictures of elephants and asked AI to make another one. Then another one. Then again. At first, it was fine, but the more AI-generated pictures they had in the pool, the more distorted and erroneous the pictures were. Two-headed, three-legged elephants and such. Basically, AI isn't just imperfect, but it can't judge its own accuracy. The more it's used, the worse it gets.

Personally, I haven't seen such an unprecedented push from a company, let alone a whole industry as AI is. And when someone cries and begs for my attention so hard, it rings alarms in my head because something will eventually turn out to be very fishy, or at least it has in the past. Every single time.

"AI is the future" - yeah, that's what we were told about crypto as well.

 

[JustBenching]

I'll try to find the video I watched a few months ago about an experiment. They took (I think) 200 pictures of elephants and asked AI to make another one. Then another one. Then again. At first, it was fine, but the more AI-generated pictures they had in the pool, the more distorted and erroneous the pictures were. Two-headed, three-legged elephants and such. Basically, AI isn't just imperfect, but it can't judge its own accuracy. The more it's used, the worse it gets.

Personally, I haven't seen such an unprecedented push from a company, let alone a whole industry as AI is. And when someone cries and begs for my attention so hard, it rings alarms in my head because something will eventually turn out to be very fishy, or at least it has in the past. Every single time.

"AI is the future" - yeah, that's what we were told about crypto as well.

I've already acknowledged in my very first sentence that it's not incredibly useful right now for creating anything. Anything of substantial quality at least. But it's 10x better than it was 3 years ago.

Cryptos are doing pretty well btw, but that's off topic

 

[Zach_01]

I've already acknowledged in my very first sentence that it's not incredibly useful right now for creating anything. Anything of substantial quality at least. But it's 10x better than it was 3 years ago.

Yeah, exponential growth and improvement is inevitable. And it will be even more rapid once other type of computing come at play widely.
Like quantum

 

[Chomiq]

Intel dropped B580 last month so there's no surprise they didn't announce anything during CES.

 

[AusWolf]

Yeah, exponential growth and improvement is inevitable. And it will be even more rapid once other type of computing come at play widely.
Like quantum

I have my doubts, but we'll see.

Intel dropped B580 last month so there's no surprise they didn't announce anything during CES.

They could have announced the B770/B780 or whatever their flagship is called.