i7-7700k upgrade to 5700X3D worth it?

[dgianstefani]

That $200 spent would let him postpone until AM6 hits, which is OP's intention anyway. I'm not sure a 7700K would do for so long.

2700X is roughly equivalent to a 7700K in gaming, actually a little slower, and it's hitting 90 FPS average in current games with 60 FPS min.

The CPU is not his bottleneck for 60 FPS gaming, the 1070 is.

Splitting the budget in two to accomodate both a GPU and a CPU upgrade to two gen old parts, while planning a platform upgrade in the next couple years is a waste of money.

 

[Toothless]

2700X is roughly equivalent to a 7700K in gaming, actually a little slower, and it's hitting 90 FPS in current games.

The CPU is not his bottleneck for 60 FPS gaming, the 1070 is.

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You're using 720p when OP plays at 1440p. Really now?

 

[AusWolf]

2700X is roughly equivalent to a 7700K in gaming, actually a little slower, and it's hitting 90 FPS in current games.

The CPU is not his bottleneck for 60 FPS gaming, the 1070 is.

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Is it not gonna be a bottleneck as long as AM6 hits (which is God knows when)?

Edited: I see 62 FPS for the 2700X at 1080p. The 7700K is already on its way out by OP's standards. It will not last until AM6. Period.

 

[dirtyferret]

Does it mean he should spend $200 on a dead end platform?

if it gives them the performance they want and that is their budget? yeah, I mean I totally see what you are saying especially if building from scratch but that's a major gaming CPU improvement for just $200 when you already own the mobo.

 

[dgianstefani]

You're using 720p when OP plays at 1440p. Really now?

It's called a CPU benchmark bud. The CPU is not going to get faster at higher resolutions.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Not going to parse all the recs in this thread but yes, Get a 5700x3D.

You can actually wring a little more life out of your 1070 by using FSR2.0 in newer games, but the lower internal render resolution of FSR will still get choked by the 7700 while the 5700x3D will give it more room to breathe.

While you lean on FSR, you can deal hunt for whatever to replace your 1070.

It's more or less exactly whats happening with my Steambox in my sig. I had a 2200G that was squeezing the life out of my 980Ti (very rough 1070 equivalent) and FSR just wasn't helping.

Dropped a 5600X in on an old AM4 motherboard and suddenly even stuff like Hogwart's Legacy became playable (dare I say enjoyable) even at 1080P with FSR Performance.

It's giving me time to deal hunt for additional upgrades.

 

[dgianstefani]

if it gives them the performance they want and that is their budget? yeah, I mean I totally see what you are saying especially if building from scratch but that's a major gaming CPU improvement for just $200 when you already own the mobo.

A more major gaming improvement is getting a stronger GPU than a 3060 Ti.

 

[Marcus L]

I'm not sure a 7700K would do for so long.

Correct and it's already long in the tooth and not enough for many games, 4c/8t c'mon man, this isn't 2016 anymore... unlike the 5700x3D which can still hold it's own today and support high end GPU's the 7700k was a good bang/buck CPU in it's day, it's day came and went quite a few years ago. Interestingly enough @dgianstefani wasn't even talking about keeping the 7700k he was on about moving to a current platform with DDR5 which would cost the OP $500-600 just to get in the door, not too mention the GPU upgrade as well, even throwing in a 5060 ffs so it's gone from $200 x3D, $220 3060Ti to $1000 for a CPU/ platform/GPU upgrade that will in all likelihood not be much better than a 5700x3D and a 4060/5060, heck for less than that OP could get 5700x3D and 5070 Ti

Now bro's chatting about a 2700x

A more major gaming improvement is getting a stronger GPU than a 3060 Ti.

Not with a 4c/8t CPU, it's a dead duck in 2025 period

 

[Toothless]

A more major gaming improvement is getting a stronger GPU than a 3060 Ti.

OP literally said they're doing both.

 

[dgianstefani]

OP literally said they're doing both.

No, OP literally said they can do both, and asked for advice on holding out until AM6, which will release in a year or two.

Which do you think is faster? A $200 GPU or a $400 GPU?

 

[mkppo]

I would 100% do 5700X3D since you can plop it in for cheap and forget about it. It will also handle pretty much any GPU and you can wait, save up and grab whatever GPU you can get a deal on down the line.

Just putting the 5700X3D will yield gains in CPU limited titles even with your GPU.

Edit: Just saw the comments and it's easy to figure out why a 5700X3D makes sense. He has the bloody motherboard, so it's an absolute no brainer. Dead platform? Doesn't matter in the slightest because the goal is to maximise performance for the budget, not upgradability. He can save money by getting the 5700X3D and spending the rest on GPU. No point in spending it all on the GPU because by today's standards, the 7700K is excruciatingly slow especially in any game which loads up more than 4 cores. I know because I have a 4790K machine around here somewhere, and it's a stutterfest in newer games which are well threaded.

In short, 5700/5800X3D makes sense, and then AM6 or Zen 6 or whatever can await you in the next cycle.

 

[dirtyferret]

A more major gaming improvement is getting a stronger GPU than a 3060 Ti.

maybe, depends on the exact game although I think you are getting close to being CPU limited at that point

OP literally said they're doing both.

he said he was going from the 1070 to the 3060ti

 

[Marcus L]

No, OP literally said they can do both.

Which do you think is faster? A $200 GPU or a $400 GPU?

When you have a quad core CPU a $400 GPU is bottlenecked in a lot of titles, $200 x3D and $220 3060Ti is a huge improvement and much better balance than a 2016 quad core slow CPU with a 1070

 

[AusWolf]

...until AM6, which will release in a year or two.

Any source on that?

Edit: Never mind, I have a source on the opposite.

AMD "Zen 6" to Retain Socket AM5 for Desktops, 2026-27 Product Launches

The desktop version of AMD's next-generation "Zen 6" microarchitecture will retain Socket AM5, Kepler_L2, a reliable source with hardware leaks, revealed. What's more interesting is the rumor that the current "Zen 5" will remain AMD's mainstay for the entirety of 2025, and possibly even most of...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[dgianstefani]

Any source on that?

Edit: Never mind, I have a source on the opposite.

AMD "Zen 6" to Retain Socket AM5 for Desktops, 2026-27 Product Launches

The desktop version of AMD's next-generation "Zen 6" microarchitecture will retain Socket AM5, Kepler_L2, a reliable source with hardware leaks, revealed. What's more interesting is the rumor that the current "Zen 5" will remain AMD's mainstay for the entirety of 2025, and possibly even most of...

www.techpowerup.com

Zen 6 is the final launch on AM5. They release a CPU generation every year. Last year's release was Zen 5. You do the math.

 

[AusWolf]

Zen 6 is the final launch on AM5. They release a CPU generation every year. Last year's release was Zen 5. You do the math.

The article I linked mentions 2026-27 production. So if AM6 comes right after, then it's gonna be 2028 the earliest. That's 3 more years on the already weak 7700K... oof.

 

[dgianstefani]

The article I linked mentions 2026-27 production. So if AM6 comes right after, then it's gonna be 2028 the earliest. That's 3 more years on the already weak 7700K... oof.

The article from a leaker?

I'll remind you that a CPU generation "launching" doesn't mean that it hasn't already been eclipsed by the next generation. 5900XT or the 5700X3D being examples.

 

[Marcus L]

You do the math.

Your math don't math bro, Zen 4 was released in 2022, 2027 for Zen 6 would represent a 5 year socket life cycle, and I bet they continue to release AM5 CPU's into 2028, AM4 launched in 2017 and had releases until 2024, that's 7 years, why do you wlays deflect

 

[AusWolf]

The article from a leaker?

Yes, about Zen 6 which will possibly come for AM5. There are no news or leaks about AM6, yet.

Holding on to outdated tech barely fit for OP's purpose just to get something later that isn't just not in production, not announced, but even its predecessor isn't announced yet, is dumb.

I'll remind you that a CPU generation "launching" doesn't mean that it hasn't already been eclipsed by the next generation. 5900XT or the 5700X3D being examples.

What is your point with that?

 

[dgianstefani]

No point in spending it all on the GPU because by today's standards, the 7700K is excruciatingly slow especially in any game which loads up more than 4 cores. I know because I have a 4790K machine around here somewhere, and it's a stutterfest in newer games which are well threaded.

The 4C/8T 7700K is ~10% faster than the 8C/16T 2700X, so it's not about the cores, it's about whether the CPU is strong enough to maintain the FPS target.

OP has mentioned 60 FPS, in which case the 7700K is more than capable of staying above that in 1% lows, with 2024 games, according to TPU testing.

What is your point with that?

You're making an assumption based off a leak that because Zen 6 might be in production in 2027, AM6 can't have launched.

 

[Toothless]

No, OP literally said they can do both, and asked for advice on holding out until AM6, which will release in a year or two.

Which do you think is faster? A $200 GPU or a $400 GPU?

Oh right, they wanted to know if getting the 5700x3d and 3060ti was a good buy til the thread went off the rails with purposefully made bottlenecks.

OP, go AM4 and 3060ti. You'll be getting a good bump.

 

[AusWolf]

The 4C/8T 7700K is ~10% faster than the 8C/16T 2700X, so it's not about the cores, it's about whether the CPU is strong enough to maintain the FPS target.

The post you replied to stated it outright that the experience is a "stutterfest" with a 4790K (which is not that different from a 7700K).

OP has mentioned 60 FPS, in which case the 7700K is more than capable of staying above that in 1% lows, with 2024 games, according to TPU testing.

But for how much longer?

You're making an assumption based off a leak that because Zen 6 might be in production in 2027, AM6 can't have launched.

I'm not making any assumptions. My point is what I said above:

Holding on to outdated tech barely fit for OP's purpose just to get something later that isn't just not in production, not announced, but even its predecessor isn't announced yet, is dumb.

 

[Frick]

Just ignore @dgianstefani on every topic that isn't about brand new higher end stuff.

For $400 going from a 7700k/1070 to a 5700x3d/3060ti is about as good a deal as one can make these days. I would however suggest if money really is an issue a Ryzen 5600 will also be a good upgrade and should cost significantly less than the 5700x3d.

 

[Marcus L]

Just ignore @dgianstefani on every topic that isn't about brand new higher end stuff.

For $400 going from a 7700k/1070 to a 5700x3d/3060ti is about as good a deal as one can make these days. I would however suggest if money really is an issue a Ryzen 5600 will also be a good upgrade and should cost significantly less than the 5700x3d.

I think he's satire at this point

 

[dgianstefani]

But for how much longer?

Likely until the release of the next console generation, when performance targets are increased. Those consoles run low clocked Zen 2 CPUs BTW and have 60 FPS targets all the same, even offering 120 FPS modes.

I'm not making any assumptions. My point is what I said above:

Your point is what you wrote, and what I replied to, not a second comment you wrote later. You assumed AM6 won't launch until at least 2028 because you read a leak that said Zen 6 would be in production 2026-2027.

The article I linked mentions 2026-27 production. So if AM6 comes right after, then it's gonna be 2028 the earliest. That's 3 more years on the already weak 7700K... oof.

I do find it interesting the amount of people recommending a two generation old 8 GB GPU to someone targetting 1440p/60, just so they can squeeze in a (temporary) CPU upgrade too.