AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Tested in Cyberpunk 2077 and Black Myth: Wukong

[Jtuck9]

Unless nvidia makes a survey to know what are doing with their GPUs we'll never know. But I also think that it's a bad idea for a GPU maker in 2025 to ignore that aspect when they are building their product. Once you go outside of the DIY space, a PC maker will have to make some choices about the kind of component that they are going to put in machines sold in retail, and the machine that can do the most will probably have less chance of sitting in inventory. Wich makes nvidia ubiquitous if you are shopping around for a prebuild, or even a system integrator. The default option is most cases is nvidia, and that contribute to mindshare.

And the geforce brand is actually pretty strong even for professionals, As puget system realised from their sales data. And it's also something that i can see when I talk with freelancers, take a look at the kind of machines that art/media schools are using...people tend to overestimate the appeal of "RTX quadro" for prossumers.

For all the shitty stuff that nvidia is pulling off as a company, they've been pretty good at not being caught slacking and off-guard. Unlike Intel they don't get complacent. If RT can be critiziced in gaming, Optix (CUDA +RT) was absolutely mental for the offline 3D industry, a single GPU managed to do stuff that required a small render farm a decade ago, now you got teenagers doing short 3d movies in their parents basement.


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Speaking of "mindshare", interested to see how something like the Strix Halo will mix things up going forward. PCGAMER speculating that UDNA might appear on a console first...Was interested myself but got swayed by the supposed RT improvement on RDNA 4 vs 3.5

 

[Vayra86]

Wasn't DLSS being heavily marketed with Stalker 2? Taking the game into "playable" frame territory? Not sure if that was the case for Wolfenstein also? I believe both have FSR patches on the way, if not already. Perhaps with their new FSR4 we might have more parity in regards to support at release?! I've read comments from people saying that they believe raster performance is a last gen measuring stick...

Like I said I'm more interested in upscaling than triple digit frames.

Oh sure there are comments of people saying anything. I just look at the market and not the few incidental hypes that pass by.

 

[Jtuck9]

Oh sure there are comments of people saying anything. I just look at the market and not the few incidental hypes that pass by.

I suppose my perception of the market is skewed by reading enthusiast forums. God knows where these people get their money from?!

 

[Sound_Card]

Yeah, I'm wondering how much of Nvidia's buyer base is centered around a real need for CUDA and AI, and how much is just confirmation bias.

lol that's a giant can of worms no one wants to open. Moderators from websites all over will throw ban hammers down once that can is open.

You can easily get the impression every 4060 owner and up is some sort of GPU programmer that also live streams in h.254 to hundreds of people if not thousands. Nvidia is a master class marketer. I give them mad props.

 

[k0vasz]

It's a perfect performance for 1440p (with RT), exactly what I'm looking for

Just need a direct comparison with the upcoming RTX5070, to see how it compares to in other areas (wattage, etc.)

 

[Vayra86]

I suppose my perception of the market is skewed by reading enthusiast forums. God knows where these people get their money from?!

Its far more enjoyable to consider why they are so overrepresented on these forums and all so visible, too. Always talking about themselves.

 

[Jtuck9]

Its far more enjoyable to consider why they are so overrepresented on these forums and all so visible, too. Always talking about themselves.

Truly a den of iniquity

 

[kapone32]

Wasn't DLSS being heavily marketed with Stalker 2? Taking the game into "playable" frame territory? Not sure if that was the case for Wolfenstein also? I believe both have FSR patches on the way, if not already. Perhaps with their new FSR4 we might have more parity in regards to support at release?! I've read comments from people saying that they believe raster performance is a last gen measuring stick...

Like I said I'm more interested in upscaling than triple digit frames.

Funny story. I love City Skylines 2. So does my cousin, he was telling me about a YT video where the presenter tried to get a 1,000,000 population and it broke his computer. I tried to do the same thing and when it hit 800,000 my performance tanked. I was playing at 4K so let's turn it down to 1440P. Well then the CPU started going crazy. I was getting like 18 FPS and when the Game would load the CPU would use 60% of VRAM buffer to help load the assets. Go into the settings and the only thing available was DLSS. So I exit the Game, go into AMD software and enable Hyper RX. Wow now my population is over 100,500,000 and we are just starting to get slow downs but the map still scrolls smooth. There was no drop in Image quality that I could discern.

 

[Vayra86]

Funny story. I love City Skylines 2. So does my cousin, he was telling me about a YT video where the presenter tried to get a 1,000,000 population and it broke his computer. I tried to do the same thing and when it hit 800,000 my performance tanked. I was playing at 4K so let's turn it down to 1440P. Well then the CPU started going crazy. I was getting like 18 FPS and when the Game would load the CPU would use 60% of VRAM buffer to help load the assets. Go into the settings and the only thing available was DLSS. So I exit the Game, go into AMD software and enable Hyper RX. Wow now my population is over 100,500,000 and we are just starting to get slow downs but the map still scrolls smooth. There was no drop in Image quality that I could discern.

Heh. Interesting

lol that's a giant can of worms no one wants to open. Moderators from websites all over will throw ban hammers down once that can is open.

You can easily get the impression every 4060 owner and up is some sort of GPU programmer that also live streams in h.254 to hundreds of people if not thousands. Nvidia is a master class marketer. I give them mad props.

Well I do believe Nvidia has been pushing the creator button for a while now, and let's be frank, the world is asking for more creators, because everyone's clicking on streams, its almost a self propelling vehicle. Media creation has been democratized, where first it was just music, now its also video, and they're gunning for it to also be games themselves.

Just that promise alone I'm sure will nudge people towards at least trying to taste it.
Master marketeers indeed, but at the same time, they've found and pushed a button that works. Everyone wants to be famous

 

[Jtuck9]

Funny story. I love City Skylines 2. So does my cousin, he was telling me about a YT video where the presenter tried to get a 1,000,000 population and it broke his computer. I tried to do the same thing and when it hit 800,000 my performance tanked. I was playing at 4K so let's turn it down to 1440P. Well then the CPU started going crazy. I was getting like 18 FPS and when the Game would load the CPU would use 60% of VRAM buffer to help load the assets. Go into the settings and the only thing available was DLSS. So I exit the Game, go into AMD software and enable Hyper RX. Wow now my population is over 100,500,000 and we are just starting to get slow downs but the map still scrolls smooth. There was no drop in Image quality that I could discern.

Yea, I think I read in another thread you mentioning it. The historians might take Umbrage though. I know they had issues with "fake frames" and accuracy. I imagine if you're playing fairly recent titles then you'll probably be relying on frame generation with these cards. I'd like to play Stalker 2, although I hear hardware ray tracing still hasn't been implemented.

 

[dyonoctis]

lol that's a giant can of worms no one wants to open. Moderators from websites all over will throw ban hammers down once that can is open.

You can easily get the impression every 4060 owner and up is some sort of GPU programmer that also live streams in h.254 to hundreds of people if not thousands. Nvidia is a master class marketer. I give them mad props.

Every hobbies got people who like to pay more for features that they might not use. In photography some hobbyist are willing to pay twice as much for a lense that's tropicalised even though they don't take pictures in challenging condition, and a lens sold as half the price would serve them just as well. The idea of having said feature just in case is enough for them to pull the trigger

 

[3valatzy]

So...popularity is never the gauge of something good. It was popular to have a nice shiny coat of paint on your house, and the whitest white was lead based, so lead based paint became popular. This is one very old example, but it is a dipstick.
That said, the argument can be made that most people are looking for good 1920x1080 performance...and that's generally the realm of a xx60 or x700 card.

Yeah, but under the flagship. The current flagship is RTX 4090, the next one will be the RTX 5090.
When the average joe enters a store and a consultant meets them, the first thing they say - Nvidia is better because it's faster. And they are right.

AMD is wrong, and that's why nothing good will be ahead of them, until they find a way to take the performance crown.

 

[Daven]

Yeah, but under the flagship. The current flagship is RTX 4090, the next one will be the RTX 5090.
When the average joe enters a store and a consultant meets them, the first thing they say - Nvidia is better because it's faster. And they are right.

AMD is wrong, and that's why nothing good will be ahead of them, until they find a way to take the performance crown.

Let's go to the next part of the conversation...average Joe asks the price. "That'll be $2000" says the consultant. With a look of total shock on his face, average Joe asks, "Isn't there anything cheaper?"

"Well, yes" says the consultant. "You can get a 5080 for $1000. A great deal!". "Whaaatttt?!?!" exclaims average Joe. "Please tell me there is something cheaper than a grand."

"Sure. You can get a 5070Ti for $750 but a 9070XT costs $200 less for the same performance" answers the consultant.

"Sounds like the 9070XT is the better buy. I'll take that." decides average Joe. The consultant packages up the AMD GPU and average Joe goes home to have fun.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

Yeah, but under the flagship. The current flagship is RTX 4090, the next one will be the RTX 5090.
When the average joe enters a store and a consultant meets them, the first thing they say - Nvidia is better because it's faster. And they are right.

AMD is wrong, and that's why nothing good will be ahead of them, until they find a way to take the performance crown.

So...let me ask you a very simplistic question. If Nvidia is "better" then why do you own, according to your specifications, an AMD product? What about the whole B580 selling like mad over the Christmas holiday? Please, square the circle.

My point to @AusWolf was (edit) supposed to be (edit) that the amount of discussion, and thus popularity, did not mean success (edit)(though this may not have come out as I phrased it, my bad there)(edit). The simplistic bit was that relevance in discussion does not mean that AMD has market relevance...because people gauge popularity differently than success. AMD's success is in two out of the three main consoles, a functional hammer to Intel's CPU business, and some pretty decent APUs. If they released a bad 9070 it'd be fine...because it wasn't exactly what AMD had hitched their success to.


Regarding the purchase of GPUs...yeah. There are crap sales people, who will recommend Nvidia because they have the biggest associated price tag. Let me turn that on its side, and ask why exactly you'd go somewhere and ask for "the best card." That's a formula to spend as much of your budget as possible. When I buy anything I don't look for the best, I look for the best value. This is why I don't drive a BMW, I don't buy premium gold plated cables, and it's why you don't buy Nvidia (again, according to your system configuration). Ironically, if the 9070 is within spitting distance of the 4080 with 3080 power consumption, at about half the street price, with about 6 GB more VRAM...then I'm stoked to see value. This will be the slightly hobo GPU built on value above all else, that isn't a compromise on performance. Consider me happy to have great 2560x1440 performance, with no ray tracing, but without the Nvidia BS of having to sign in for drivers...or download an APP....because seriously, one finger salute to them wanting to sell my data. Newegg right now has 4060 cards for $300+...and LED Switch model (the whole console) is the same price.

It's really hard to see a low end video card, sold for what used to be two levels higher pricing, now competing with an entire console and wanting you to believe that it's really great because frame interpolation algorithms make your epeen number higher...because it's apparently now kosher to sell things to you based on the promise of a number that's close enough...without actually needing to be closer...because we are now so stupid collectively that not only do we not own our games, we don't even own the performance we pay for. Jesus bloody crisco, that butters my buns in all the wrong ways.

 

[Super XP]

just an FYI, if you want to inject some artificial frames, AMD has AFMF right there in the driver, you can turn that crap on any time you like to make fps number go higher.

Nvidia forced AMDs hand in releasing their own version of Fake Frames. Nvidia is actually using their DLSS nonsense to overcharge for their upcoming GTX 5000 series. Hopefully people won't be conned into buying their overpriced, underwhelming GPUs this time around. AMD has a solid opportunity to gain market share, so long as they price the 9070 and 9070XT responsibility. The 9070XT at or near the 7900XT performance, for say $469 for a mainstream GPU would sell like hotcakes. Prices above $500 and AMD will struggle to sell. Because Nvidia has majority of market.

Yeah, but under the flagship. The current flagship is RTX 4090, the next one will be the RTX 5090.
When the average joe enters a store and a consultant meets them, the first thing they say - Nvidia is better because it's faster. And they are right.

AMD is wrong, and that's why nothing good will be ahead of them, until they find a way to take the performance crown.

AMD offers Raw Powerful GPUs where as Nvidia offers GPUs that rely on fake frames and RT gimmickry.

 

[AusWolf]

Unless nvidia makes a survey to know what are doing with their GPUs we'll never know. But I also think that it's a bad idea for a GPU maker in 2025 to ignore that aspect when they are building their product. Once you go outside of the DIY space, a PC maker will have to make some choices about the kind of component that they are going to put in machines sold in retail, and the machine that can do the most will probably have less chance of sitting in inventory. Wich makes nvidia ubiquitous if you are shopping around for a prebuild, or even a system integrator. The default option is most cases is nvidia, and that contribute to mindshare.

And the geforce brand is actually pretty strong even for professionals, As puget system realised from their sales data. And it's also something that i can see when I talk with freelancers, take a look at the kind of machines that art/media schools are using...people tend to overestimate the appeal of "RTX quadro" for prossumers.

For all the shitty stuff that nvidia is pulling off as a company, they've been pretty good at not being caught slacking and off-guard. Unlike Intel they don't get complacent. If RT can be critiziced in gaming, Optix (CUDA +RT) was absolutely mental for the offline 3D industry, a single GPU managed to do stuff that required a small render farm a decade ago, now you got teenagers doing short 3d movies in their parents basement.


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I don't know the professional space. But I know several people who would never consider even just looking at an AMD card because Nvidia has CUDA and RT and AI and DLSS, and is so much better at everything that the whole planet revolves around a big Nvidia logo, but in reality, all they do on their PCs is play CS and CoD at low graphics for the highest FPS.

 

[ModEl4]

I have a hard time saying where a card "needs to be" in terms of pricing, having not seen a full range of benchmark runs. Hell, for me even the power draw factors in. But, like I said in the other thread, 5070 being priced as it is and assuming a mild 10% improvement over the 4070, doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room for 9070XT.

I agree, my answer was based on the strategy/goals that AMD set for themselves.
Based on the leaked performance/specs data, I don't think that $549 for example serves the purpose that AMD set about going after the 80% of TAM and achieving gradually 40-50% of market share in the future.
Sure it will probably be a fair price even at $549 based on raster performance alone but I don't think that will change much the current market dynamics at that price and the other option is $529 which is the worst of the three pricing options because it achieves nothing essentially.
On the other hand if the rumors are true and RTX 5060Ti is based on GB206, RX 9070 will be so much faster in raster, that it doesn't make much sense for AMD to sell it at the same price (assumptions : RX 9070 is -$50 less than RX 9070XT and RTX 5060Ti 16GB MSRP is $449, I don't think Nvidia will want to charge for a 16GB card less than that, based on their original intention to price +$100 more the 16GB 4060Ti version in relation to the 8GB variant, but we never know)
Even a theoretical heavily cutdown (3072SP or more) /192bit bus/12GB Navi 48 variant will be clearly faster in raster than GB206 so depending on what strategy AMD has for Navi48 there are a lot of options.

 

[Luminescent]

NO ONE cares about AI or having 8 streams on, people who buy geforce and radeon care about gaming performance, value, longevity, quality perception.

No one's even heard of CUDA who is a casual gaming enthusiast, hell even professional forumers and hardware enthusiasts know very little about CUDA, let alone have any use of it.

For real, the biggest use I've had of CUDA is using it with a chess engine on my desktop, which now calculates to 30 depth in 20 seconds, instead of 30 seconds, big deal.

This is the type of extreme use case of CUDA. Plus AMD has the equivalent in rocm, yeah its not as fully fleshed out as cuda, but it does 95% of stuff at same level as cuda, that 5% extreme use case literally even professionals don't care that much.

Its all propaganda and bots pushing a narrative to close off people's minds and somehow project nvidia gpu's as somehow better, when they clearly are not. They are garbage value, garbage performance, garbage vram, garbage longevity, getting bigger, heavier, louder, hotter, etc...

What ? on what planet do you live ?
GPU's are no longer a toy to play games, they are much more for quite some time and professionals use them and are willing to pay 2000$ to speed up production, those professionals are computer geeks from old times that still enjoy a game from time to time.
In video editing world, Davinci Resolve and Premiere pro are very happy with CUDA and work better with Nvidia, in photography world all AI retouch plugins and software heavily use Nvidia and works much better on CUDA than Opencl.
I don't do 3d rendering but there AMD is nonexistent, when i see reviews with benchmark's, AMD lack of software support is across the board.
Now that 8 streams of 4k 60 fps video decoding is very important to windows PC desktop, why you would ask ? because Apple laughed at us window users with that damn Apple M chip that has a very powerful media engine, you would see an ipad decode faster and better than a tower PC because of the dedicated media engine.
Well, thanks to Nvidia we no longer suffer, RTX 5000 series is so overkill with that media engine that i don't see anyone who buys one for video editing ever needing an upgrade the next 5-10 years.

 

[Vayra86]

Yeah, but under the flagship. The current flagship is RTX 4090, the next one will be the RTX 5090.
When the average joe enters a store and a consultant meets them, the first thing they say - Nvidia is better because it's faster. And they are right.

AMD is wrong, and that's why nothing good will be ahead of them, until they find a way to take the performance crown.

People just click Buy these days, who are these consultants you speak of? The real heroes do 'their own research' remember That's why those YTbers and influencers are so popular.

 

[JustBenching]

AMD offers Raw Powerful GPUs where as Nvidia offers GPUs that rely on fake frames and RT gimmickry.

Parallel universe you live in. The 6 fastest gpus on raster performance will all be nvidias by the end of the month....you can't make this up.

 

[freeagent]

Some of these comments are so far out to lunch. Get a grip.

As for CUDA, and who uses it, easiest place to look is in the foldiing section.

 

[AusWolf]

Well I do believe Nvidia has been pushing the creator button for a while now, and let's be frank, the world is asking for more creators, because everyone's clicking on streams, its almost a self propelling vehicle. Media creation has been democratized, where first it was just music, now its also video, and they're gunning for it to also be games themselves.

Just that promise alone I'm sure will nudge people towards at least trying to taste it.
Master marketeers indeed, but at the same time, they've found and pushed a button that works. Everyone wants to be famous

That's kind of cool, but also not cool, imo.

On the one hand, I love the way independent creators pop up with good content. Without YouTube, we wouldn't have channels like The Critical Drinker / Critical Gamer who gives you what you want to hear about a movie / game, unlike IGN and the other big ones who just parrot whatever political BS they are required to burp out.

On the other hand, not everybody is a creator, and it's fine. Not everybody has the talent, not everybody has the drive. We're led to believe that being an employee is wrong, everybody should have their own content business, but not everybody is suited. Buying the latest GeForce card won't make you the next big YouTube hit automatically. So if you need CUDA for your work, that's cool. But if you buy into it because you think you're gonna make awesome videos out of the blue, then I'm afraid you're deluding yourself 9 out of 10 times.

Personally, I like going to work, getting my mind off of things for 8 hours, going home with zero stress and getting paid the same every month. And someone wants to tell me that this isn't success? Maybe not, but having the rest of my life for things I love (family time, gaming, PC building, holidays) makes me happy, which is infinitely more important than being successful, imo.

 

[dyonoctis]

I don't know the professional space. But I know several people who would never consider even just looking at an AMD card because Nvidia has CUDA and RT and AI and DLSS, and is so much better at everything that the whole planet revolves around a big Nvidia logo, but in reality, all they do on their PCs is play CS and CoD at low graphics for the highest FPS.

The funny thing is that it wasn't always the case. In the GCN era, even though Nvidia had CUDA, their consumer arch was much more gaming-focused, so AMD was actually the prosumer GPU of choice. (Which is why I bought a R9 270x for my first PC) Kepler was particularly bad, a downgrade from Fermi. (SmalLLux is a GPU renderer). GCN was a powerful all-around arch, but less efficient in pure gaming. That whole thing has been flipped over since Turing. There's always been people looking for a GPU that can do it all. I only game one or two months a year, when a good game manages to put me in hyperfocus. Beyond that, I play around in Adobe and Blender. And I really don't believe that I'm some kind of special snowflake

 

[AusWolf]

The funny thing is that it wasn't always the case. In the GCN era, even though Nvidia had CUDA, their consumer arch was much more gaming-focused, so AMD was actually the prosumer GPU of choice. (Which is why I bought a R9 270x for my first PC) Kepler was particularly bad, a downgrade from Fermi. (SmalLLux is a GPU renderer). GCN was a powerful all-around arch, but less efficient in pure gaming. That whole thing has been flipped over since Turing. There's always been people looking for a GPU that can do it all. I only game one or two months a year, when a good game manages to put me in hyperfocus. Beyond that, I play around in Adobe and Blender. And I really don't believe that I'm some kind of special snowflake

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Yeah, GCN was a good all-around architecture. But back then, the diehard Nvidia people were all about gaming, they didn't want to hear about all this professional nonsense. How times have changed!

 

[Dawora]

Let's go to the next part of the conversation...average Joe asks the price. "That'll be $2000" says the consultant. With a look of total shock on his face, average Joe asks, "Isn't there anything cheaper?"

"Well, yes" says the consultant. "You can get a 5080 for $1000. A great deal!". "Whaaatttt?!?!" exclaims average Joe. "Please tell me there is something cheaper than a grand."

"Sure. You can get a 5070Ti for $750 but a 9070XT costs $200 less for the same performance" answers the consultant.

"Sounds like the 9070XT is the better buy. I'll take that." decides average Joe. The consultant packages up the AMD GPU and average Joe goes home to have fun.

That average joe buy 5070 because features and its give 4090 performance...
Average Joe never buy bad AMD tech because he is wise and buy only best brand there is. Nvidia.

Marketshare tells the truth just like average joes

Nvidia forced AMDs hand in releasing their own version of Fake Frames. Nvidia is actually using their DLSS nonsense to overcharge for their upcoming GTX 5000 series. Hopefully people won't be conned into buying their overpriced, underwhelming GPUs this time around. AMD has a solid opportunity to gain market share, so long as they price the 9070 and 9070XT responsibility. The 9070XT at or near the 7900XT performance, for say $469 for a mainstream GPU would sell like hotcakes. Prices above $500 and AMD will struggle to sell. Because Nvidia has majority of market.


AMD offers Raw Powerful GPUs where as Nvidia offers GPUs that rely on fake frames and RT gimmickry.

Nvidia =better gpus, better features..
i dont see why we even need Amd Gpus atm?