AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT Tested in Cyberpunk 2077 and Black Myth: Wukong

[Guwapo77]

AMD suffers more from the bad reception of the PS5Pro than it does from not making competitive dGPUs for the PC market these days.

Their GPU gaming division floats on consoles. Not us.

Wait a minute...the PS5 Pro is pretty good and its selling well. There is a nice visual upgrade on the Pro. I agree with you about the consoles though.

 

[AusWolf]

That average joe buy 5070 because features and its give 4090 performance...
Average Joe never buy bad AMD tech because he is wise and buy only best brand there is. Nvidia.

Marketshare tells the truth just like average joes

I consider myself an average Joe (although my name isn't Joe), and I buy AMD these days. How strange.

Nvidia =better gpus, better features..
i dont see why we even need Amd Gpus atm?

Even if you're really a devoted Nvidia cultist fan like you seem to be, you have to acknowledge that competition keeps prices in check, which is good for you regardless of which brand you prefer. Unless you have an infinite source of income.

Edit: Anyway, have you got anything to add to the topic? This thread is about the 9070 XT. Or did you just come here to let us know how much your legs shake when My Jensen comes on stage?

 

[Vayra86]

Wait a minute...the PS5 Pro is pretty good and its selling well. There is a nice visual upgrade on the Pro. I agree with you about the consoles though.

Not well enough to pull AMD's GPU sales out of the gutter, which is the point. Its not a real new console gen. Its just an upgrade.

 

[bug]

Yeah, GCN was a good all-around architecture. But back then, the diehard Nvidia people were all about gaming, they didn't want to hear about all this professional nonsense. How times have changed!

It didn't help GCN that not many programs had OpenCL/CUDA capabilities back then. That has also changed in the meantime.

 

[Octopuss]

That average joe buy 5070 because features and its give 4090 performance...
Average Joe never buy bad AMD tech because he is wise and buy only best brand there is. Nvidia.

Marketshare tells the truth just like average joes


Nvidia =better gpus, better features..
i dont see why we even need Amd Gpus atm?

Are you a troll or the elevator simply doesn't go to the top floor?

 

[Daven]

Are you a troll or the elevator simply doesn't go to the top floor?

The sad truth is about 50% of the readers here zombie buy Nvidia and love the company unconditionally. Usually these readers don’t comment but occasionally you will get a post like Dawora that sound like a weird cultist. Such lovefest posts are actually rare even though their numbers are large.

On the other hand, there are about 10% of the readers here who would never buy Nvidia because of their unethical business practices and distaste for Huang. These are the commenters that say things like Ngreedia. They post a lot more often.

The remaining 40% are open to buying the best GPU for the money. I straddle the line between the 10% never Nvidia people and those open to buying the best product as I have an Nvidia GPU in my laptop and an AMD GPU in my desktop. But I have a lot of disdain towards Nvidia and its CEO.

Luckily for all of us, the vast majority of commenters here discuss the good and the bad technology openly regardless of company.

 

[JustBenching]

The problem is that the whole internet revolves around that loud 10%. That's why we are getting 50 videos about the 3070s vram issues when you are trying to max out textures and use rt at the same time, but noone complains that the 5700xt doesn't even launch new games. Doesn't work. Older cards like the 2060 and the 2070 work just fine, 5700xt is no Bueno. But yeah, ngreedia and shady practices lol

 

[TSiAhmat]

The problem is that the whole internet revolves around that loud 10%. That's why we are getting 50 videos about the 3070s vram issues when you are trying to max out textures and use rt at the same time, but noone complains that the 5700xt doesn't even launch new games. Doesn't work. Older cards like the 2060 and the 2070 work just fine, 5700xt is no Bueno. But yeah, ngreedia and shady practices lol

well that's mostly just ""drama"" channels they don't really care about what they report, as long as it gets clicks and food on the table.

Also the User-base for Nvidia-Gpus is 9 to 1 so you can expect a lot more traffic from Nvidia Problems AND most people people love a "underdog" story, that's why over-promising performance "leaks" for amd with titles like "the 4090/5070 is cooked" can gain you a LOT of traffic, either way i wouldn't interact with those channels.

(Side note: I noticed that theme on youtube in general [not tech videos] a LOT of click baity titles, Thumbnails and Video-Themes since the endish of 2023)

 

[Jtuck9]

well that's mostly just ""drama"" channels they don't really care about what they report, as long as it gets clicks and food on the table.

Also the User-base for Nvidia-Gpus is 9 to 1 so you can expect a lot more traffic from Nvidia Problems AND most people people love a "underdog" story, that's why over-promising performance "leaks" for amd with titles like "the 4090/5070 is cooked" can gain you a LOT of traffic, either way i wouldn't interact with those channels.

(Side note: I noticed that theme on youtube in general [not tech videos] a LOT of click baity titles, Thumbnails and Video-Themes since the endish of 2023)

I always remember a college teacher saying if you swear all the time what words do you use when the situation warrants it. Like Owen Hargreaves and his overuse of superlatives. If everything is "sensational"... Like the bombastic nature of cinema I suppose

 

[Octopuss]

I personally haven't owned Nvidia card since GeForce 4200 Ti and prefer AMD, but that's mostly because it's something I am used to. I don't even read any AMD vs Nvidia flames and I don't give a fuck. I vaguely remember reading Nvidia was bad for various I think non product related reasons I don't even remember, but that's it.
If money wasn't a problem I would simply buy the card that is the most power efficient while having enough performance to run everything on ultra.

 

[3valatzy]

I personally haven't owned Nvidia card since GeForce 4200 Ti and prefer AMD, but that's mostly because it's something I am used to. I don't even read any AMD vs Nvidia flames and I don't give a fuck. I vaguely remember reading Nvidia was bad for various I think non product related reasons I don't even remember, but that's it.
If money wasn't a problem I would simply buy the card that is the most power efficient while having enough performance to run everything on ultra.

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[Octopuss]

Did I ask for AI generated BS about image quality? (or anything about image quality)

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[AusWolf]

Not well enough to pull AMD's GPU sales out of the gutter, which is the point. Its not a real new console gen. Its just an upgrade.

Since consoles are more like cheap, compact PCs these days, the differences between "generations" diminish.

 

[Vayra86]

That's kind of cool, but also not cool, imo.

On the one hand, I love the way independent creators pop up with good content. Without YouTube, we wouldn't have channels like The Critical Drinker / Critical Gamer who gives you what you want to hear about a movie / game, unlike IGN and the other big ones who just parrot whatever political BS they are required to burp out.

On the other hand, not everybody is a creator, and it's fine. Not everybody has the talent, not everybody has the drive. We're led to believe that being an employee is wrong, everybody should have their own content business, but not everybody is suited. Buying the latest GeForce card won't make you the next big YouTube hit automatically. So if you need CUDA for your work, that's cool. But if you buy into it because you think you're gonna make awesome videos out of the blue, then I'm afraid you're deluding yourself 9 out of 10 times.

Personally, I like going to work, getting my mind off of things for 8 hours, going home with zero stress and getting paid the same every month. And someone wants to tell me that this isn't success? Maybe not, but having the rest of my life for things I love (family time, gaming, PC building, holidays) makes me happy, which is infinitely more important than being successful, imo.

Nvidia's selling the same dream an average celebrity is, of course its not realistic and of course not everyone's going to be a hero. The 'being an employee is wrong' scenario is more at play outside of Nvidia's influence I think... Nvidia is just satisfying a demand. They didn't create it, they just have good products to serve and accelerate it. Shadowplay was a response to demand in streaming games, for example. It didn't create the market.

 

[AusWolf]

The sad truth is about 50% of the readers here zombie buy Nvidia and love the company unconditionally. Usually these readers don’t comment but occasionally you will get a post like Dawora that sound like a weird cultist. Such lovefest posts are actually rare even though their numbers are large.

On the other hand, there are about 10% of the readers here who would never buy Nvidia because of their unethical business practices and distaste for Huang. These are the commenters that say things like Ngreedia. They post a lot more often.

The remaining 40% are open to buying the best GPU for the money. I straddle the line between the 10% never Nvidia people and those open to buying the best product as I have an Nvidia GPU in my laptop and an AMD GPU in my desktop. But I have a lot of disdain towards Nvidia and its CEO.

Luckily for all of us, the vast majority of commenters here discuss the good and the bad technology openly regardless of company.

Exactly the same here. People like calling me an AMD fan just because I call Nvidia out on their bullshit. I call everybody out on bullshit, as I was born with a deep and utter hatred for bullshit. I just commented in another thread saying that the 9800X3D isn't much of an improvement over the 7800X3D because it achieves 10% higher performance at 50-100% power.

What people also don't see is that I have many Intel and AMD CPUs, and many Nvidia and AMD GPUs. I buy whatever suits my needs. Sure, the last Nvidia card that I bought is Turing, but that's because I got it for a good enough price. Modern Nvidia cards all cost more than the AMD equivalent. Why should I spend more money for features I don't need? Not to mention how flawless the AMD Linux experience is. I've heard Nvidia has improved, too, but I'll have to test it.

Long story short, Nvidia has disappointed me generation by generation with their focus on AI, offering marginal improvements otherwise at inflated prices. That's why I buy AMD. Once that changes, I'll be happy to buy Nvidia again. And if this makes me look like a fan (that I'm not) in some Nvidia cultist's eyes, that's not my problem.

 

[Vayra86]

The strategy was clear when they launched Turing, and it hasn't changed. Sell software, minimize the hardware upgrade, maximize the profit on the actual hardware upgrades. It was easy to call that every new gen would be accompanied by a new betterer DLSS. Also, it was easy to call that Nvidia would 'invent' lots of buzzwords to oversell RT in their own special way, despite the existence of a DX standard.

All of this was clear from the moment Huang said 10 gigarays at SIGGRAPH, 2018. Pure snake oil and unmeasureable nonsense.

 

[AusWolf]

The strategy was clear when they launched Turing, and it hasn't changed. Sell software, minimize the hardware upgrade, maximize the profit on the actual hardware upgrades. It was easy to call that every new gen would be accompanied by a new betterer DLSS. Also, it was easy to call that Nvidia would 'invent' lots of buzzwords to oversell RT in their own special way, despite the existence of a DX standard.

All of this was clear from the moment Huang said 10 gigarays at SIGGRAPH, 2018.

And that's the strategy I despise. All this software crap brings nothing to my table as a casual gamer, and I'm not here to maximise Nvidia's profits on products that while are good, don't offer a meaningful upgrade. Smoke and mirrors.

 

[JustBenching]

The strategy was clear when they launched Turing, and it hasn't changed. Sell software, minimize the hardware upgrade, maximize the profit on the actual hardware upgrades. It was easy to call that every new gen would be accompanied by a new betterer DLSS. Also, it was easy to call that Nvidia would 'invent' lots of buzzwords to oversell RT in their own special way, despite the existence of a DX standard.

All of this was clear from the moment Huang said 10 gigarays at SIGGRAPH, 2018. Pure snake oil and unmeasureable nonsense.

We all love bashing ngreedia in this forum but - and it's a friendly ask - can you explain to me how nvidia is all about "maximizing the profit on the hardware upgrade, all about software and features and RT nonsense" and yet, by the end of the month the top 6 cards in RASTER performance will be all nvidia. HOW? Your argument doesn't really align with the reality of the situation. If someone took what is said about nvidia in this forum at face value they'd expect the 7900xtx to be ~30% faster than the 4090 or something.

With that said, blackwell looks like it's a major flop, laughable generational improvements and what have you, but everyone else seems to be doing even worse than that. Sounds highly unfair to bash nvidia over everyone else when - although they aren't doing great - they are doing much better than everyone else in pushing hardware performance upgrades.

 

[AusWolf]

We all love bashing ngreedia in this forum but - and it's a friendly ask - can you explain to me how nvidia is all about "maximizing the profit on the hardware upgrade, all about software and features and RT nonsense" and yet, by the end of the month the top 6 cards in RASTER performance will be all nvidia. HOW? Your argument doesn't really align with the reality of the situation. If someone took what is said about nvidia in this forum at face value they'd expect the 7900xtx to be ~30% faster than the 4090 or something.

The comment was on maximising profits. That means, earning as much as possible for as little improvement as possible. No one said that there isn't any improvement.

With that said, blackwell looks like it's a major flop, laughable generational improvements and what have you, but everyone else seems to be doing even worse than that. Sounds highly unfair to bash nvidia over everyone else when - although they aren't doing great - they are doing much better than everyone else in pushing hardware performance upgrades.

Let's not forget price vs said hardware improvements. I'm quite optimistic about the 9070 XT on that front.

 

[JustBenching]

The comment was on maximising profits. That means, earning as much as possible for as little improvement as possible. No one said that there isn't any improvement.


Let's not forget price vs said hardware improvements. I'm quite optimistic about the 9070 XT on that front.

But the 9070xt will barely if even that beat their last gen cards....

He literally said that the goal of nvidia is to sell software with minimal hardware upgrades, and im left wondering why isn't every other GPU manafacturer a lot faster than nvidia then? Something doesn't add up is all im saying.

 

[Vayra86]

We all love bashing ngreedia in this forum but - and it's a friendly ask - can you explain to me how nvidia is all about "maximizing the profit on the hardware upgrade, all about software and features and RT nonsense" and yet, by the end of the month the top 6 cards in RASTER performance will be all nvidia. HOW? Your argument doesn't really align with the reality of the situation. If someone took what is said about nvidia in this forum at face value they'd expect the 7900xtx to be ~30% faster than the 4090 or something.

With that said, blackwell looks like it's a major flop, laughable generational improvements and what have you, but everyone else seems to be doing even worse than that. Sounds highly unfair to bash nvidia over everyone else when - although they aren't doing great - they are doing much better than everyone else in pushing hardware performance upgrades.

I'm not looking at AMD - I'm not into the whole camp mentality. Leave those notions at the door. I think AMD should do a lot better - at the same time, they have a viable strategy, its just a shame that strategy basically admits defeat in the PC dGPU space.

I'm looking at the market, the development in perf/$ and more precisely, the stagnation of that development. Nvidia has overtaken the market, and it has taken a sharp turn for the worse. Some people judge that differently and include all the software features that got added to the mix. I don't. I just look at raw gaming performance, the overall 'lifetime' of GPUs, and how different generations from just Nvidia compare to one another. Right now, we're seeing a top end appear that doesn't move much if anything in perf/$: the 5080 at 999,-, the 4090 at 1499 and the 5090 at 2k are a perfectly slotted stagnated mess. Your shader didn't get cheaper. You gained nothing, there's just more to buy. And then we're not including the stingy VRAM into the mix, even. Currently, Ampere mid-to high end cards are already left in the dust. They're out barely 4,5 years. Compare this to Pascal. Or to Maxwell. Even Kepler Refresh's 780's did more damage. And this is doubly strange because graphical improvements in games haven't really ascended to new heights. Games from many moons ago can go toe to toe with the latest crop, bar a few exceptions. Part of that isn't up to Nvidia, but up to devs, but Nvidia does push features that serve actively to bring the FPS down, so they can sell more features. I've always called this 'the price of RT'. Make no mistake - we're paying it.

There is progress though, that I won't deny, and you are not incorrect on your perspective either. Nvidia DOES have the fastest cards out there. They DO offer a bigger featureset. And I totally understand people buy them.

 

[JustBenching]

I'm not looking at AMD - I'm not into the whole camp mentality. Leave those notions at the door. I think AMD should do a lot better - at the same time, they have a viable strategy, its just a shame that strategy basically admits defeat in the PC dGPU space.

I'm looking at the market, the development in perf/$ and more precisely, the stagnation of that development. Nvidia has overtaken the market, and it has taken a sharp turn for the worse. Some people judge that differently and include all the software features that got added to the mix. I don't. I just look at raw gaming performance, the overall 'lifetime' of GPUs, and how different generations from just Nvidia compare to one another. Right now, we're seeing a top end appear that doesn't move much if anything in perf/$: the 5080 at 999,-, the 4090 at 1499 and the 5090 at 2k are a perfectly slotted stagnated mess. Your shader didn't get cheaper. You gained nothing, there's just more to buy. And then we're not including the stingy VRAM into the mix, even. Currently, Ampere mid-to high end cards are already left in the dust. They're out barely 4,5 years. Compare this to Pascal. Or to Maxwell. Even Kepler Refresh's 780's did more damage. And this is doubly strange because graphical improvements in games haven't really ascended to new heights. Games from many moons ago can go toe to toe with the latest crop, bar a few exceptions. Part of that isn't up to Nvidia, but up to devs, but Nvidia does push features that serve actively to bring the FPS down, so they can sell more features. I've always called this 'the price of RT'. Make no mistake - we're paying it.

There is progress though, that I won't deny, and you are not incorrect on your perspective either. Nvidia DOES have the fastest cards out there. They DO offer a bigger featureset. And I totally understand people buy them.

But complaining that the one with the fastest isn't making them much faster while ignoring everyone else not even getting anywhere near to the fastest seems weird. If stagnation is an issue, the fingers should be pointed at Intel and AMD. If they can't even keep up with a "stagnated" nvidia, what the flying heck are they even doing and why are they doing it?

Would it be unfair to say that reading your previous post, I should have concluded that now nvidia only excels in RT and software, and that in raster performance they are lagging behind everyone else cause they ignored hardware improvements? And yet...reality is the exact opposite.

 

[Vayra86]

But complaining that the one with the fastest isn't making them much faster while ignoring everyone else not even getting anywhere near to the fastest seems weird. If stagnation is an issue, the fingers should be pointed at Intel and AMD. If they can't even keep up with a "stagnated" nvidia, what the flying heck are they even doing and why are they doing it?

Would it be unfair to say that reading your previous post, I should have concluded that now nvidia only excels in RT and software, and that in raster performance they are lagging behind everyone else cause they ignored hardware improvements? And yet...reality is the exact opposite.

No, that's just your way of looking at it. You're omitting the market conditions, which is another reality that is forcing companies to adjust. AMD can't be accused of not trying. They had and still have a real vested interest in success, so why would they not. That's also why I added to my post that I understand AMD's strategy right now, even if I don't like it. They're forced into that corner, a corner they found, created, which is a real success on its own, by the way.

Intel, OTOH, is also really trying. I think B580 proves this adequately, its a solid product and that is, for a second gen dGPU, out of the blue (lel), and pretty cool to see.

Nvidia's dominance didn't happen yesterday. It was an effort and executed strategy over a decade or more. They've constantly held course and it has paid off, and along the way, have done everything to diminish the other players in the market. That history is rich, let's be honest. I have no real judgment over that in terms of 'muh evil' or anything, but it has been done and it is below the belt - its more than just selling and making good products, after all - a thing that Nvidia has ALSO done. With market dominance comes power, the power to exclude others entirely in certain segments, for example. We can't blame that on the competition. That's more likely a sign of a broken market. Its not unlike the way Google has taken over control of ads, or TSMC the latest nodes and fab capacity. We all see and agree those conditions are unhelpful and unhealthy for us.

 

[AusWolf]

But the 9070xt will barely if even that beat their last gen cards....

I'm not on their last gen cards, so I don't care. It'll be a nice uplift over my 6750 XT.

He literally said that the goal of nvidia is to sell software with minimal hardware upgrades, and im left wondering why isn't every other GPU manafacturer a lot faster than nvidia then? Something doesn't add up is all im saying.

Because everyone is into AI and software. Nvidia isn't the only offender, just the loudest, and probably the shadiest.

Edit: Also, AMD and Intel are trying to make cards that common people actually buy, which is a lot harder these days than cramming more cores into a chip and selling it for 2 grand.

 

[dirtyferret]

Are you a troll or the elevator simply doesn't go to the top floor?

that comment deserves multiple likes