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Well, I am seeing $30 difference so it may depend on your budget and availability.

But if me, I would likely go for the Corsair. I am not a huge fan of Corsair PSUs but their RM series have been reliable. That said, I choose it because it is ATX 3.1 and the others are still 3.0. That may not mean anything today, but a year or two down the road, it might.
 
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I've had 3 rm750x and they all performed well. No complaints. Can't say anything about the others.
 

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Well, I am seeing $30 difference so it may depend on your budget and availability.

But if me, I would likely go for the Corsair. I am not a huge fan of Corsair PSUs but their RM series have been reliable. That said, I choose it because it is ATX 3.1 and the others are still 3.0. That may not mean anything today, but a year or two down the road, it might.
As I mentioned, I could get all three for the exact same price, but based on reviews, reports and whatnot, they still differ: for example the Corsair one is "only" rated as Gold from Cybenetics, because the efficiency on high/above room temperature is not enough to justify a PLATINUM rating, while the other two are doing okay on that part (but their overall performance is lower compared to RMX)

I've had 3 rm750x and they all performed well. No complaints. Can't say anything about the others.
Thank you for the feedback!
 
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for example the Corsair one is "only" rated as Gold from Cybenetics
I think one of us is confused (I am not ruling out that being me).

The Corsair is marketed as being Gold certified so there is no reason to suggest it would justify Platinum rating.

Note the requirement for 80 PLUS certification is 87 to 90% efficiency while Cybenetics Gold is 87 to 89%. That single percentage point is insignificant in this comparison.

If all 3 are the same price where you live, then for sure, the Corsair is the one I would get.
 
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The Pure Power 12 M is "speculated to be high end tier" since it has no professional reviews. i'd pick the Corsair since it's a brand new platform and the only ATX 3.1 Unit.
 
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The Pure Power 12 M is "speculated to be high end tier" since it has no professional reviews. i'd pick the Corsair since it's a brand new platform and the only ATX 3.1 Unit.
12 M is HEC built

Hello, I'm having problem deciding which PSU I should choose between these three:
if it's the Corsair RM750x ATX 3.1 its a no brainer (the 3.1 has the knob for the fan control)
the previous model was excellent but not ATX 3.X spec
Core Reactor II is also very well built (also made by CWT like the RMx) but Ive heard some complaints about customer support. Right now Adata has hard to beat prices in NA for PSU.
Pure power 12 M is fine, well built for HEC but at equal prices i would go for the other two. I would use the Pure Power no problem if I got it at a discount.
 
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Note the requirement for 80 PLUS certification is 87 to 90% efficiency while Cybenetics Gold is 87 to 89%. That single percentage point is insignificant in this comparison.
Ah alright, didn't know it.
If all 3 are the same price where you live, then for sure, the Corsair is the one I would get.
I'd pick the Corsair since it's a brand new platform and the only ATX 3.1 Unit.
if it's the Corsair RM750x ATX 3.1 its a no brainer (the 3.1 has the knob for the fan control)
It is indeed the 3.1 model (2024), it seems its truly a no brainer choice. Appreciate all the replies!
 
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Hello, I'm having problem deciding which PSU I should choose between these three:

Corsair RM750x vs be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 750W vs XPG Core Reactor II 750W

I could get all of them for the same price (EU region 230V), and based on the PSU picks website, they are fairly close to each other (the be quiet! one isn't listed, but its a well known unit nonetheless).

What do you think, which one would serve me the best?

Thank you in advance.
If everything else being equal, I'd get the CORSAIR RMx series one even if it would cost slightly more and had not 10 years of warranty, but 7 or maybe even 5: If I remember correctly, the CORSAIR RMx series one should have a much lower alternating current ripple/noise (thanks also due to caps in the cables themselves), which is the main reason why electrolytic capacitors get damaged. I bought my RM850x 2018 model (used) (the 2018 model has quieter fans than newer models), because of its very low output AC ripple (and the RM550x moved to the 2nd PC).
Yes, all power supplies that get certified/tested (so basically all brand ones), must adhere to a certain standard (which includes AC noise and ripple testing), before they are allowed to be sold, but my theory is that the lower the AC ripple, the better. I saw so many broken repair vids on PC components where often the caps are damaged and I think that the user may have a high ripple cheap (noname) power supply.
 
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If I remember correctly, the CORSAIR RMx series one should have a much lower alternating current ripple/noise (thanks also due to caps in the cables themselves), which is the main reason why electrolytic capacitors get damaged
The XPG uses in-line caps too (both made by CWT), and I would not be surprised if the Pure Power does as well but I can't remember off the top of my head and don't feel like looking it up. While in-line caps do contribute a little to voltage stability their #1 benefit are for reviews so people can go tech-gasmic over slightly better ripple results. Corsair did not start this trend, they are merely following the footsteps of other brands. Neither the RMx or XPG need in line caps as both excel in performance and if you do have a PSU that does need in-line caps then you most likely have an issue with the PSU itself.

*Some people don't care for the cables stating it makes them stiff and harder to route through the case.
 
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If I remember correctly, the CORSAIR RMx series one should have a much lower alternating current ripple/noise (thanks also due to caps in the cables themselves), which is the main reason why electrolytic capacitors get damaged.
Ummm, no. Your memory failed you.

First, "much lower" ripple? Umm, much lower than what? If you mean lower than with a cheap, no-name, off-brand generic or counterfeit PSU, then yes, maybe.

But if you mean "much" lower than any other half-way PSU from a reliable manufacturer, then NO! In fact, it may not be lower at all!

Second, there is no "main reason" electrolytic capacitors "get damaged" other than, perhaps, through physical abuse - as in, someone hits it with a hammer, or exposes it to excessive heat and/or excessive current beyond its designed capacities. This damage would come either through some other adjacent component or circuit fault, or poor PSU design, or wrong spec (weak or inadequate capacity) cap for the job or (and here's the biggie) inferior quality (cheap in every sense of the word) electrolytic caps chosen to save a few pennies.

That latter two reasons are the primary reasons electrolytic capacitors failed - that is, weak and inferior quality caps, chosen because they cost less.

Point is, there are cheap (poorly made, low cost) inferior electrolytic capacitors and there are high quality-made superior electrolytic capacitors that, naturally cost a little more that are fully capable. Had, back in the day, the PSU makers (and motherboard makers and graphics card makers) used properly sized, superior grade electrolytic capacitors, there never would have been the electrolytic problems, or the subsequent "marketing hype" about solid caps, or the resulting bad reputation electrolytics didn't (and still don't) deserve.

Note that the electrolytic capacitors failed because the device makers purposely chose inferior quality, undersized electrolytics to save money resulting in those electrolytics bulging and, in extreme cases, leaking, sometimes even "popping" open like an exploding kernel of popcorn.

And BTW, the marketing ploy about "Japanese" capacitors is just that, a ploy to attract naïve consumers. There is NOTHING to suggest Japan makes the best caps or that other countries cannot make equally great caps. Japan just happened to be in the right place at the right time and had sufficient factory capacity to fulfill the urgent need for solid caps. If it had been South Korea or Taiwan, for example, the rage would have been about Korean or Taiwanese solid caps, not Japanese.

dirtyferret is correct. The in-line caps serve as additional filtration to help reduce ripple and other AC anomalies (noise) riding the DC - or at least that is what the PSU marketing weenies want us to believe.

Technically, they can help suppress ripple but a well designed and manufactured PSU made with quality parts will (should) already have decent ripple suppression, well below the requirements of the ATX Form Factor standard. Note the ATX standard allows for a maximum ripple and noise value of 120mV p-p (peak to peak) on the 12VDC rails and 50mV p-p on the 3.3 and 5VDC rails. Any decent PSU can easily suppress those unwanted "signals" well below those maximum allowed levels.

So why do some PSU makers use those in-line caps? Again, dirtyferret is correct. It is all about marketing fodder. To entice buyers away from Seasonic, EVGA and other quality PSU makers that don't use them.

HOWEVER there is an ulterior motive and that is more $money$! Or as some may say, "greed". And since we are dealing with marketing weenies, I say, "greed". Understand, and sadly, there is no industry standard for the PSU end of modular cables. :( The connectors used on the component end (motherboard, drives, cards, fans, etc.) are standard - in terms of shape, pin layout, voltages, etc. But from the connector back to the supply, there is no standard.

Because there are no standards, modular cables are NOT interchangeable with other power supplies. And since many "brands" use different OEM suppliers for different models, even among the same brand, those cables are not interchangeable either. :( This means PSU makers can use their own proprietary (and more costly) cables. This means if we consumers need to replace a missing or damaged cable, we have no choice but to pay extra for a proprietary, more profitable, replacement.

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Yes, all power supplies that get certified/tested (so basically all brand ones), must adhere to a certain standard (which includes AC noise and ripple testing), before they are allowed to be sold
Ummm, no. That is not really correct either. It it not about being "allowed" to be sold. They can still be sold as long as they meet required "safety" (mainly fire safety) standards for the country or region they are being marketed in. What they can't do is claim to be "ATX compliant". Sadly, the world's good guys don't have the resources to ensure unscrupulous manufacturers and retailers don't dump non-compliant (or unsafe! :() products on unsuspecting buyers. So it is up to us consumers to beware and hope :( buying reputable brands from reputable retailers is enough.

Oh, one last thing. Users can help ensure unwanted "noise" is suppressed is by preventing it in the first place. We can help do that by ensuring our electronics is properly grounded by ensuring the wall outlet is properly wired and grounded to Earth ground. I recommend every home and every computer user have access to a AC Outlet Tester. Note there are versions for every type and voltage outlet, foreign or domestic. Check your local home improvement store.

Sorry for the long post but there was a lot to say there.
 
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While I don't like in-cable capacitors, there is a logic behind their use; take a 3GHz chip, in the time of one cycle light has travelled only 10 cm, so the supply itself can't react on such time scales.

Then again, electrolytic capacitors can't respond to such fast variations, one reason there is sometimes a small capacitor in parallel to the larger one, so I would avoid in-cable capacitors.
 
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Sorry Shrek but that is more marketing hype. What is the frequency of DC? The PSU should already be suppressing unwanted AC components on the DC. And for sure, the connected devices should NOT be imposing any unwanted AC components back on the cable. I hope you agree to that.

If these were needed, every hardwired PSU would have them. Every modular PSU would have them. But they don't. In fact, most don't. In fact, if these were "needed" the ATX Form Factor standard would require them!

Yes, "in theory", you are absolutely correct. But that does not mean they are "needed".

Assume a bridge is designed to support 10,000lbs per axel. However, because of limitations of the road leading up to the bridge, it will never ever see a load more than 5,000lbs per axel. So is there a "need" to increase the support capacity to 15,000lbs? No!

If my living room needs a 120VAC 5000 BTU AC unit to keep it adequately cooled, I might buy a "quality" 6000 BTU AC so it does not have to work so hard or be cycled on all the time. But the salesperson sure would like to sell me 240VAC, 18,000 BTU even though I don't need it, right?

If my computer demands 300W and I buy a quality 650W, 80% efficient PSU, will I benefit from a 850W 80% efficient supply? No. Both supplies will demand from the wall the exact same 375W from the wall. I will have wasted my money on a bigger supply I did not "need".
 
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Ummm, no. That is not really correct either. It it not about being "allowed" to be sold. They can still be sold as long as they meet required "safety" (mainly fire safety) standards for the country or region they are being marketed in.
not sure how I missed @10tothemin9volts line but to further Bill's point in this awkward statement below

all power supplies that get certified/tested (so basically all brand ones), must adhere to a certain standard (which includes AC noise and ripple testing), before they are allowed to be sold
former part of that statement- certified or tested by whom and technically all PSU have a "brand" unless you are getting them from a guy in van who also sells speakers he can't deliver today.
latter part - there is a ATX spec that Bill already mentioned but the PSU does not necessarily get tested to meet it and some of the spec is even optional. There are also UL certified (and listed) but that's 1) actually a third party test 2) doesn't really mean much of an "approval" 3) is not mandatory 4) don't need it to import 5) basically monitored by sellers (if they are willing to sell a product with no UL cert).

Fact is I can go on Amazon right now and probably grab at least six "brand" PSU that have no UL cert and will be out of ATX spec under load.
 
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If my computer demands 300W and I buy a quality 650W, 80% efficient PSU, will I benefit from a 850W 80% efficient supply? No. Both supplies will demand from the wall the exact same 375W from the wall. I will have wasted my money on a bigger supply I did not "need".

Not so as the efficiency is higher toward the middle.

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