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[AusWolf]

Seems to for me - using a 4060Ti in the living room and a 7800XT in the man-cave.

CP2077 Path tracing is about the same framerate on both, but to use it at playable framerates (50+) you need to turn on aggressive performance upscaling AND framegen, so it looks like total ass and the input lag is really really bad. Not unplayable, but definitely offputting enough that I don't think even 30fps console peasants would be okay with it.

This is one of those cases where you just don't use path tracing because it's well out of the reach of either GPU.

This is exactly why I find the "Nvidia has better RT" argument moot. Better or not, it's still crap (unless your remortgage your house to buy a new GPU, of course).

 

[JustBenching]

Seems to for me - using a 4060Ti in the living room and a 7800XT in the man-cave.

CP2077 Path tracing is about the same framerate on both, but to use it at playable framerates (50+) you need to turn on aggressive performance upscaling AND framegen, so it looks like total ass and the input lag is really really bad. Not unplayable, but definitely offputting enough that I don't think even 30fps console peasants would be okay with it.

This is one of those cases where you just don't use path tracing because it's well out of the reach of either GPU.

It's the same framerate because the 7800xt finishes the raster calculations much faster than the 4060ti, not because they have the same RT performance.

 

[Chrispy_]

This is exactly why I find the "Nvidia has better RT" argument moot. Better or not, it's still crap (unless your remortgage your house to buy a new GPU, of course).

By the time mainstream cards have enough RT performance to play CP2077's path tracing mode at 1080p60, CP2077 will look like the 10-year-old game it is by then, and nobody will care.

It's the same framerate because the 7800xt finishes the raster calculations much faster than the 4060ti, not because they have the same RT performance.

But as of 2025 there are only two games that have full path-tracing support - CP2077 and Indiana Jones. Neither of them can be path-traced on hardware less than a 4090 without severe compromise, and both games look far better with hybrid rendering; Cleaner image, sharper textures, more stable light, shadow, and reflections, higher framerate, far better temporal detail, fewer artifacts. You simply wouldn't play with PT other than as an experiment to see how it looks.

Pure path-tracing performance is almost irrelevant for the current generation because it's too expensive to use. Even a 4090 can't handle Indiana Jones without a lot of assistance from DLSS and FG, which takes away a massive amount of image quality for minimal shadow quality improvements that PT brings over the hybrid RT mode that 99.9% of RT-enabled games use right now.

Maybe we can have a pure path-tracing discussion in five years time if and when the hardware catches up.

 

[JustBenching]

By the time mainstream cards have enough RT performance to play CP2077's path tracing mode at 1080p60, CP2077 will look like the 10-year-old game it is by then, and nobody will care.


But as of 2025 there are only two games that have full path-tracing support - CP2077 and Indiana Jones. Neither of them can be path-traced on hardware less than a 4090 without severe compromise, and both games look far better with hybrid rendering; Cleaner image, sharper textures, more stable light, shadow, and reflections, higher framerate, far better temporal detail, fewer artifacts. You simply wouldn't play with PT other than as an experiment to see how it looks.

Pure path-tracing performance is almost irrelevant for the current generation because it's too expensive to use. Even a 4090 can't handle Indiana Jones without a lot of assistance from DLSS and FG, which takes away a massive amount of image quality for minimal shadow quality improvements that PT brings over the hybrid RT mode that 99.9% of RT-enabled games use right now.

Maybe we can have a pure path-tracing discussion in five years time if and when the hardware catches up.

Inyour video he is getting 60-80 fps at 4k PT maxaed and DLSS Q. That's perfectly fine

 

[Chrispy_]

Inyour video he is getting 60-80 fps at 4k PT maxaed and DLSS Q. That's perfectly fine

That's DLSS (temporal blur that smears all the detail in motion) and with frame generation, so his input lag is a ~35fps experience on a pretty blurry image in motion. It would look better at 1440p native, for sure.

Imagine spending over $2000 on a GPU and getting slugging controls that feel like an old 30fps PS3 game. The timestamp I linked he's getting 30-40fps. without framegen. That's the argument for why PT is irrelevant on hardware we have at the moment, because it looks slightly nicer than the hybrid RT mode but takes a crisp, clean, responsive >60fps experience and turns it into a smeary, unresponsive mess even on top-end hardware. For a 9070 or 5070 it's going to be completely out of the question.