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AMD's Radeon RX 9070 Launch Faces Pricing Hurdles

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And? The majority of people buy it anyways because they have zero self control, then turn around and complain and buy again next release.
Who?
The low end and mid range market essentially don’t exist thanks to companies sliding the pricing scale up and product positioning down, and in general just being blown-out of proportion thanks to Crypto and Covid.
That, and inflation.
If people just continue to roll over and buy whatever they can due to fomo, it’s just going to get worse. All anyone does is complain about prices for the last few years, and the price of everything continues to go up. Complaining doesn’t do a thing.
I wouldn't worry at all what people spend their money on, in fact I don't. And man, I feel pretty good not carrying all that weight on my shoulders.
 
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Who?

That, and inflation.

I wouldn't worry at all what people spend their money on, in fact I don't. And man, I feel pretty good not carrying all that weight on my shoulders.

I don’t care what other people spend their money on, and stating a trend of people bulldozing through every new yearly release of tech products doesn’t mean I do. Simply stating, everyone complains, people buy, prices go up, repeat.
 
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500 seems great if the leaks of it being close enough to 7900XTX is true. Half price for a replacement card that performs close enough with added RT performance? Hell yeah. I bet no one can possibly be complaining at that price/performance and it'll also help take some sales off the 5070 as well. Maybe.

Question is what they sold it to the retailers at and whether they have to mark it up or down, both of which have issues but nothing that can't be solved.
 
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If it performs near a 4080 it would be priced accordingly. They'd be able to sell that for 600...+

If this story is true, retailers are arguing about selling it for less than 550 as they think that's too much...

Then It'll perform like a <550 ish card, very similar to what 7900gre sells for now...
Each gen moves up a performance level not says the same. If a GPU costs $800 this gen, then the $500 next gen card will perform the same and the next gen $800 will perform more. So a $550 Radeon 7900GRE performance card will cost $400 or less in the next gen release and so on.
 
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Wish we could get something similar to a RX 7800XT clam shell configuration with 32GB at a reasonable cost.
 
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Wish we could get something similar to a RX 7800XT clam shell configuration with 32GB at a reasonable cost.
Curious...
1. What do you mean similar to 7800XT?
2. What is the 32GB for?
 
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I mean a GPU with a reasonable amount of bandwidth to pair with that much memory capacity. At least that's one of the criteria points. It's for graphics processing it's a GPU.
 
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Each gen moves up a performance level not says the same. If a GPU costs $800 this gen, then the $500 next gen card will perform the same and the next gen $800 will perform more. So a $550 Radeon 7900GRE performance card will cost $400 or less in the next gen release and so on.

So...your math is wrong according to Nvidia and the like. Their last two generations have been sold on the #070 being as fast as the #090. IE, the 4070 was as fast as the 3090, and now the 5070 is as fast as the 4090. The bit you miss in there of course is that they look at speed as an FPS value, and use interpolated frames...so it's not really the same. Likewise, the costs should increase with inflation...but both Nvidia and AMD have significantly outpaced inflation while only really delivering generational performance leaps without the visual trickery.

That is to say to $499 MSRP of the 3070 would mean the 5070 should cost 1.03^5 = 578.48....which is actually $549. Given the 4070 was $599 that seems like a win...until you look at the feature set and see that most of your performance boost is heavily focused on interpolated frames...or for the spicier take, generating guesses at what should be there. It's almost like I'm simping for Nvidia, but in this case if you're honest you have to acknowledge that it's not actually a silly high cost.

Likewise, the 9070 is theoretically an 8800...which should compete with the 7900. That was an $899 card...and the 7800 was $500...so one generation of the AMD product would be about 2 years old, and $530.45. Is the new 9070 going to be there...who knows? We have to wait. I've seen rumors range all across the 500-600 range...and it wouldn't be unreasonable if they plugged in 549 to compete with Nvidia. That said, they had this generation intentionally limited. If that's the case...then what exactly is the reason to purchase AMD if priced exactly at Nvidia values? More RAM is nice, but not better. That means we'll need a real technical breakdown to decide if this is a purchase or it's something that needs discounted. Fingers crossed that it's something ready to move day one on its own merits.


(My personal opinion is that AMD is shooting for over the 5070 in raw performance, which is not going to show in Nvidia's frame interpolation numbers. They priced this to move based on slightly better raster and way better future proofing with the additional RAM...but that's a personal amalgamation of multiple leaks. I won't touch any of this until we get good numbers and a price from something like a competent W1z review...because there's an infinite gap between them telling me the card is a generational improvement and seeing a competent and impartial takedown of real performance. Consider me too burned from the 4070 being a lot closer to the 3080, and the 5700xt to 6700xt being a larger leap than it should have been due to some wonky stuff behind the scenes.)
 
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OK AMD, it works like this.

RDNA3 was overpriced and people didn't buy it because you're greedy shits. Therefore your marketshare tanked.

If you want to recover marketshare then you need to swallow your greed, and your pride, and ensure that whatever you launch is cheap enough to attract buyers. If that means you have to make a loss on each GPU you sell then that is what you damn well do. And if you aren't willing to pay that idiot tax for your past greed, then you'd better be happy with your marketshare continuing to tank.

Your partners are not obligated to sell your product. Consumers are not obligated to buy it. If you want it to succeed, subsidise the shit out of it. This really isn't rocket science.
They screwed themselves already lol.

They should have just sold as low as possible to get it out, instead of waiting for Nvidia.

That was dumb. If you give people the choice of A of B for the same price, they are going to go with what they know.
Exactly! Pricing their products the same as the rival, makes people go for the product with better advertisement. AMD has neither advertisement, nor the clue about how to position their products. The worst thing, that AMD did along with sticking with nVidia's pricing, is that they have looked at 4080 12GB (4070TI) fiasco, and did the same. They've done it after nVidia's failure, and the whole web outcry. But AMD being AMD, and they've thought, this was actually a good idea, and inflated their entire GPU stack SKU numbers, like nVidia did. Because they can get away with it. If all GPU makers do the same, the consumers have no choice but to accept and buy whatever they are able.

Because of AMD we now have absolute bottom SKUs like RX 7600 (7500 in reality) for $250 MSRP. But don't tell me the production of these almost four years old GPUs is expensive. There's nothing expencive in these cut down refreshes of 6600.
It never ceases to amaze me how forum randos like you and me can see this, but AMD's highly-paid sales and marketing team cannot.
Might be because they are doing this for their masters.
It's amazing that Nvidia sells with 75% profit margin (officially) and people keep seeing only AMD as the greedy company. They even congrats one another for their common finding.
Please, do not consider this as personal. There's just something I would like to tell in response.

Then this nVidia is not the choice. It's better to buy the rival product... wait, it's priced the same way!

nVidia got away, because ignorant people, and scammy miners, went and bought their cards in rows/pallets. They made the image, that scammy gouging price is "normal", due to this and due to that.

Now AMD, instead of use the situation, and show themselves, as a fair company and competitive market player, have joined the nVidia's game (The way it meant to be played), and have set these scalping prices in concrette, forever. Because the market price depends on all participants. If major players inflate their prices, this becomes a sign for the resellers/distributors that they can do whatever they can.

Why this article exists at all? Because AMD, distributors and sellers went loose. They've get used to scalping prices, and will never allow anyone to lower them with the death grip. The, distributors and sellers have became the scalpers themselves. They are another reason, why the cards for sane prices.

My look at the situation is this (if this article is true ofc): AMD thought that nVidia is going to price 5070 $650, or at least $600. They've sold overpriced stock to the channels. Then, the last have become angry, because they cannot get the usual inflated profits, and went rogue. The possible outcome is, either the distributors/sellers give up, and accept the AMD's proposal, or they will discard it, and will go all-in for nVidia. Because with the later, there's no (over)pricing limits, and consumers will buy them for whatever price.

You blame people for blaming AMD for their own faults. The worst offender is not the one, that made the bad, but the one that seen that, and did the same or worse. This doesn't remove the fault of nVidia, but makes AMD even worse, in the eyes of people/buyers. The problem of AMD is that they've seen all the cr*p that is happening, and still joined the nVidia and their scammy garbage. AMD shown that their attitude towards their buyers, and that their don't care about their customers at all.

Now look, how at intel. They have somewhat inferior product. But they still are good competitive products overall. And their entire stock of B580 already sold out, because they've priced realistically.
Could Intel price their products the nVidia way? Absolutely! Would they do it in future, when they get the fame and the mindshare? Most likely. This is intel after all. They've been overpricing their CPUs for more than a decade. But for now, props for Intel for doing realistic moves. They see, that their drivers are still raw, and their Arc brand is still not well known enough.
Current AMD on the other hand, in this "Battlemage" situation, would just price their cards the same as nVidia, without thinking twice. And then, they would look with amazement, why their stuff doesn't sell. This is entire AMD, and their useless PR and marketing team.

Best regards!
 
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Going by the posts here... it will sure be an interesting week. :slap:
 
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Will either 50xx or 90xx series launch this week?

I know there's rumors of stocks growing in warehouses and stores. But no one has any official launch news yet.

Confirmed timeline so far:

January 24: NDA for RTX 5090 lifted, reviews and teardowns allowed
January 30: NDA for RTX 5080 lifted, both 5090 and 5080 will go on sale
AMD has kept graveyard silence over their products so far, but it's no longer a secret that RX 9070 series are warehoused at almost all retailers worldwide right now, just awaiting a green light which should come soon
 
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- the article lists Philippine price translated to $521 without VAT
- the original VC article reads ~$600 with 12% VAT
- the member above said €529 with VAT, in Philippines (?); certainly not in Europe
- the original VC text predicts a range $549-749..
- do you see where this is going? Entire online jungle is placing their bets...
If I simply go with the 6700 XT - 7800 XT analogy (1.5x perf at the same price), then the 9070 XT shouldn't cost too much more, either. We'll see.
 
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AMD confirms Radeon RX 9070 series launching in March
 
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What a bunch of cr*p from AMD. No wonder, if the suppliers/distributors will turn their backs to AMD. Stockpiling the unsellable cards, when they could buy nVidia's offerings and sell them at higher margins.
And this is most likely due to driver issues. This is from the now "Software" company. Good start, I guess.... So much recognition! Well done AMD!

Anyway! As it's been told many times before, RDNA4 should have been released and sold as late as Q4 2024. By the time it will go on sale, the RTX5000 will be already sold out worldwide. This is unfathomable fail.
 
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AMD is really shitting the bed, isn't it? This is incompetence of a scale unseen.
 
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What a bunch of cr*p from AMD. No wonder, if the suppliers/distributors will turn their backs to AMD. Stockpiling the unsellable cards, when they could buy nVidia's offerings and sell them at higher margins.
And this is most likely due to driver issues. This is from the now "Software" company. Good start, I guess.... So much recognition! Well done AMD!

I'll look at it objectively: if AMD is not ready to release these products, either because they're not commercially viable at current production costs (e.g. a hypothetical situation where the RTX 50 series offer a price to performance ratio that far exceeds theirs) or suffer from technical issues (e.g. they have been unable to develop minimally working drivers to accompany these GPUs at launch, or a last minute high-severity errata has been found), they should issue a distributor recall and cancel the product launch for the time being. It would be less shameful and would avoid legal issues with the distribution chain over warehousing and inventory costs for an unsellable product.

AMD is really shitting the bed, isn't it? This is incompetence of a scale unseen.

Run for the hills, the AMD Defense Force is coming for you, man :nutkick:
 
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No worries, the Church Of GeForce has already overrun this thread. :)
A launch delayed to march is unforturnate to the say the least, though I doubt it would've mattered when AMD decided to launch these cards, reviewers will no doubt hype up the even more fake frames from team green while analyzing FSR4 down the the individual pxiels saying it sucks.
 
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Run for the hills, the AMD Defense Force is coming for you, man :nutkick:

I love the new fanboy defense line of "you were never really going to buy a radeon card, you just wanted cheaper geforces so you deserve this incompetent AMD graphics division as Divine Punishment".

My RX580, and my older 4870 and Radeon 9000 have a right laugh about that, too.

Ah, forgot the 6870. Actually, out of 7 desktop graphics cards I've owned, starting with a RivaTnT, 4 were Radeons. But I don't like how AMD is milking the consumer and consistently underwhelming, so for the fanboys, I've got to be an nvdia shill.

It's a sad, sad, state of affairs when nvidia is releasing iterative product lines at inflated prices and intel and AMD can't catch up (or, for amd, don't want to, in the matter of pricing).

As I've jokingly said before, seeing how they're incompetent on different areas, a cross-licensing agreement between amd graphics and intel might actually produce product lines capable of challenging nvidia. intel is mediocre at rasterization and amd is useless at raytracing and upscaling. They've traded technology before (x86, AMD64).
 
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Going by the posts here... it will sure be an interesting week. :slap:
Ya.......... Definitely some crazies out there....................
 
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Curious...
1. What do you mean similar to 7800XT?
2. What is the 32GB for?
I could only see the 32GB being useful if you run LLM's on the GPU.

But AMD would rather you buy a 7900XTX (24GB) on the consumer side or a W7800 (32GB) which means more profit for them.
 
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Ah, forgot the 6870. Actually, out of 7 desktop graphics cards I've owned, starting with a RivaTnT, 4 were Radeons. But I don't like how AMD is milking the consumer and consistently underwhelming, so for the fanboys, I've got to be an nvdia shill.
I've had a couple of NVIDIA products, the 9500 GT DDR2 (awful, but cheap) and the GTX 970 (3.5GB really, cheap as well).

Other than that, I had to buy Radeon simply because of the pricing over here.

People are generalizing by suggesting that their market is the only one that matters.
 
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