RDNA4 (RX 9070XT / 9070) launch announced for (delayed to) March 2025

[Assimilator]

Why you have a 4060ti is an enigma in of itself.

Because as an enthusiast I wanted to try running a mid-high-end GPU instead of a high-end GPU, to see if it would cover my use-cases. Experimentation is part of being an enthusiast.

I honestly apologize...I thought there were more people that cared about the high-end scenario then there are in thread/perhaps this forum now. I misjudged and perhaps this isn't the appropriate crowd.

But the problem is that you haven't demonstrated in any way shape or form that there is an actual issue with VRAM provided by NVIDIA cards - not just at the high-end, but at any performance level. What you have is a hypothesis, which multiple people have rebutted with evidence, which suggests your hypothesis is problematic. Nothing to do with performance levels or GPU vendors, everything to do with the basic scientific method.

 

[Krit]

When NVIDIA released the 4060 Ti everyone called it a worthless product because it was.

Also RTX 4070 12GB was and RTX 5070 12GB will be something similar. RX 7800 XT at 499$ was slightly faster on average than RTX 4070 at 599$.

RTX 4060Ti 16GB and RTX 4070 12GB was simply terrible buy. It costs but does not deliver.

RTX 5070 has 17% smaller core count than RTX 4070 Super also less L2 Chace, ROPs, RT Cores and etc.

 

[JohH]

It needs to launch ASAP if AMD wants to increase its market share, because the more they wait, the more sales they will lose to nVidia (they just lost mine, for instance).

People would complain about FSR4 not being ready or whatever else anyway.
Why not wait for once?

 

[Zazigalka]

Also RTX 4070 12GB was and RTX 5070 12GB will be something similar. RX 7800 XT at 499$ was slightly faster on average than RTX 4070 at 599$.

RTX 4060Ti 16GB and RTX 4070 12GB was simply terrible buy. It costs but does not deliver.

RTX 5070 has 17% smaller core count than RTX 4070 Super also less L2 Chace, ROPs, RT Cores and etc.

everyone and their dog know blackwell refresh is gonna happen in early 2025, what we saw from blackwell at CES was massively underwhelming. The prices weren't awful at first sight, but given there's little performance uplift SKU to SKU, they kind of were.

 

[Hecate91]

People would complain about FSR4 not being ready or whatever else anyway.
Why not wait for once?

Because most tech enthusiasts have no patience.

Why are you allowing yourself to be suckered by the oldest marketing trick of "more = better" when that more does nothing for you and therefore isn't actually better?

The same can be said for the less is more argument when it comes to VRAM. When I have the option to get more and it prolongs the useful life of the card without having to turn down or off settings, I'll go for the card with more VRAM.

 

[eidairaman1]

But if AMD released a faster card now, Nvidia could still adjust prices before launch for more favourable reviews. Everybody would praise the 5070 for being cheaper instead of the 9070 XT for being faster.


I don't know why they're more positive, though. It's a 7600/4080 with a bit more VRAM and still no availability (at least here in the UK).


I'd be positive about Intel myself if it was possible to buy a damn card at least. Right now, it isn't. The other shortcomings could be forgiven at a good price, but the only B580 I could find is listed at £300 for pre-order with no ETA. I'd much rather get a 7600 for £260 that is here in my PC tomorrow.

Im still waiting on bm 580 testing on core i gens 9-12, then 13 14 considering they were tanking on performance.

B580 tanks performance with low end CPUs

Hey, seems like nobody is talking about this "little" problem? o_O Arc B580 Overhead Issue, Ryzen 5 3600, 5600, R7 5700X3D & R5 7600: CPU-Limited Testing - YouTube apparently the otherwise good B580 has a big problem with "non ultrafast CPUs" (I mean, I wouldn't call the 7600 slow necessarily)...

www.techpowerup.com

People would complain about FSR4 not being ready or whatever else anyway.
Why not wait for once?

Oh well for them. Better to wait a minute then just impulse buy anyway.

 

[Zazigalka]

Im still waiting on bm 580 testing on core i gens 9-12, then 13 14 considering they were tanking on performance.

B580 tanks performance with low end CPUs

Hey, seems like nobody is talking about this "little" problem? o_O Arc B580 Overhead Issue, Ryzen 5 3600, 5600, R7 5700X3D & R5 7600: CPU-Limited Testing - YouTube apparently the otherwise good B580 has a big problem with "non ultrafast CPUs" (I mean, I wouldn't call the 7600 slow necessarily)...

www.techpowerup.com

Oh well for them. Better to wait a minute then just impulse buy anyway.

12-14 th

B580 tanks performance with low end CPUs

just wait a month, you could see what's up with the overhead problem + new card could lower the prices.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Frick]

It needs to launch ASAP if AMD wants to increase its market share, because the more they wait, the more sales they will lose to nVidia (they just lost mine, for instance).

So you're getting a 5090 or 5080 then? If yes you weren't the target audience for any new AMD card anyway. The real competitor is the 5070 and being undercut by Nvidia like a month after release wouldn't be good.

Anyway had they even announced a launch date? I can't recall seeing anything about it.

It needs to launch ASAP if AMD wants to increase its market share, because the more they wait, the more sales they will lose to nVidia (they just lost mine, for instance).

So you're getting a 5090 or 5080 then? If yes you weren't the target audience for any new AMD card anyway. The real competitor is the 5070 and being undercut by Nvidia like a month after release wouldn't be good.

Anyway had they even announced a launch date? I'm so confused by all this.

Because as an enthusiast I wanted to try running a mid-high-end GPU instead of a high-end GPU, to see if it would cover my use-cases. Experimentation is part of being an enthusiast.

Mid-high-end?

 

[Bomby569]

everyone and their dog know blackwell refresh is gonna happen in early 2025, what we saw from blackwell at CES was massively underwhelming. The prices weren't awful at first sight, but given there's little performance uplift SKU to SKU, they kind of were.

why underwhelming?
i only understand this if someone wants to upgrade every gen, and i don't understand people that want to upgrade every gen.
They seem like a nice upgrade for me on 3000

 

[Zazigalka]

why underwhelming?
i only understand this if someone wants to upgrade every gen, and i don't understand people that want to upgrade every gen.
They seem like a nice upgrade for me on 3000

Because performance is going to be only slightly faster than Ada refresh, despite being a new architecture and using new memory

 

[Bomby569]

Because performance is going to be only slightly faster than Ada refresh, despite being a new architecture and using new memory

do you have a 4000 card and are you going to upgrade to a 5000 card? if not, why compare it like that? who cares about that comparison, the nuts that trade gpus every gen?

they have no competition, no need to go crazy on the increases in performance, blame AMD.

 

[LittleBro]

There are insane differences between RX 7600 8GB and 16GB:

Gaming GPUs with 8 GB VRAM far from sufficient for modern gaming, reveals Radeon RX 7600 vs RX 7600 XT deep-dive

While 8 GB of VRAM may be enough for 1080p in older titles, it is simply not sufficient for modern titles, especially with ray tracing or high-resolution gaming. This was confirmed by a deep-dive by PC Games Hardware, who pit the Radeon RX 7600 against the RX 7600 XT - two borderline identical...

www.notebookcheck.net

In some games, such fps drops can be seen as well with 4060 Ti 8GB and not with 16GB. What Nvidia's drivers do, unlike AMD's, they try to compensate lack of VRAM by allocating a portion of system RAM to be used as additional VRAM. This portion can take 2-3 GB of RAM.

I don't want to argue, people, but there are three things to take into account:
1. RTX 3060 had 12 GB VRAM, while RTX 3070 had 8 GB and RTX 3080 had 10 GB.
2. RTX 4070 has 12 GB VRAM, so does RTX 5070. At least with 4070 Ti (former 4080) Nvidia went from 12 GB to 16 GB with 5070 Ti. 4070 costs around 700€, 5070 is listed for 750€.
3. Intel Arc B580 with price tag of 330€ has 12 GB VRAM. For less than half of 4070/5070 cost.

(I'm talking final retail prices above.)

8 GB for any mid to enthusiast class card sold nowadays is not OK. Unfortunately, expect no more from RTX 5060, which means two gen. older card (3060) had 4 GB more VRAM. 5060 is expected to leverage DLSS4 and MFG often above 1080p and that requires additional memory.

 

[JustBenching]

There are insane differences between RX 7600 8GB and 16GB:

These are insane differences if you don't know what you are looking at. PCGH - the site that conducted the test, was using ultra settings to get to those differences (cause if you lowered the textures one click, you wouldn't see those differences). The problem is, a big majority of these games are already running BELOW 30 fps at 1080p on the 16gb card. So what's the freaking point?

 

[Bomby569]

8 GB for any mid to enthusiast class card sold nowadays is not OK. Unfortunately, expect no more from RTX 5060, which means two gen. older card (3060) had 4 GB more VRAM. 5060 is expected to leverage DLSS4 and MFG often above 1080p and that requires additional memory.

8GB seems fine for 1080p, seems fine if you play some competitive games and only those (like a lot of people do). On the other hand MFG is crap for a lot of people like the competitive gamers.
This is not that black and white.

 

[TPUnique]

I don't know why they're more positive, though. It's a 7600/4080 with a bit more VRAM and still no availability (at least here in the UK).

I think it's a combination of an attractive MSRP, VRAM that's in line with the new baseline, and Intel making continuous progress in the GPU game.

I'd be positive about Intel myself if it was possible to buy a damn card at least. Right now, it isn't. The other shortcomings could be forgiven at a good price, but the only B580 I could find is listed at £300 for pre-order with no ETA. I'd much rather get a 7600 for £260 that is here in my PC tomorrow.

Yeah, the ongoing supply issues give some credence to MLID's claim that Intel is losing money on these. Else they'd have been more vocal about doing everything to satisfy the demand for their cards.

 

[Zazigalka]

do you have a 4000 card and are you going to upgrade to a 5000 card? if not, why compare it like that? who cares about that comparison, the nuts that trade gpus every gen?

they have no competition, no need to go crazy on the increases in performance, blame AMD.

I think you're missing the point a little. New generations are supposed to bring higher performance uplifts than 20 %. It wasnt long ago that we saw 50% gen to gen on similarly positioned SKUs

 

[JustBenching]

8GB seems fine for 1080p, seems fine if you play some competitive games and only those (like a lot of people do). On the other hand MFG is crap for a lot of people like the competitive gamers.
This is not that black and white.

8gb is fine for AAA as well. Just for context regarding the link that was posted above, the 8gb 4060 is faster than the 7600 16gb. The below is from the review article

Spoiler

 

[TPUnique]

Only the 5090 will release in January. The 5070 is coming late Feb - early March.

Notice how nVidia only mentioned "February".

Perhaps they could beat AMD at their own Dither & Delay © game, and release the 5070... not at the end of that month, as potentially calculated by AMD, but right at the beginning instead

If they indeed proceed in such a masterful way, I'll have even less remorse contributing to the Jacket Fund.

 

[Bomby569]

I think you're missing the point a little. New generations are supposed to bring higher performance uplifts than 20 %. It wasnt long ago that we saw 50% gen to gen on similarly positioned SKUs

not sure why that would matter to me in the 3000 series, i will judge the upgrade based on what i have like anyone else, not on gen on gen

 

[Krit]

not sure why that would matter to me in the 3000 series, i will judge the upgrade based on what i have like anyone else, not on gen on gen

For which gpu are you going for ?

To me RTX 5070 Ti 16GB looks better than RTX 5080 16GB (poor performance boost) and RTX 5070 12GB (overpriced and seriously cut down)

 

[Sound_Card]

For which gpu are you going for ?

A 16gb 5060ti for $500

 

[Krit]

A 16gb 5060ti for $500

I hope you are trolling (RTX 4060 Ti 16GB was one of the worst gpus in history ever released)

 

[Dr. Dro]

I'm not even hating lol I'm wondering why AMD themselves doesn't recognize the guy, anyway I'll just be patient and see how these cards stack up. It seems most enthusiasts can't handle waiting a bit.

He is LITERALLY the vice president of graphics. Answers directly to Lisa Su. Dear God.

Also RTX 4070 12GB was and RTX 5070 12GB will be something similar. RX 7800 XT at 499$ was slightly faster on average than RTX 4070 at 599$.

RTX 4060Ti 16GB and RTX 4070 12GB was simply terrible buy. It costs but does not deliver.

RTX 5070 has 17% smaller core count than RTX 4070 Super also less L2 Chace, ROPs, RT Cores and etc.

None of this actually matters if the performance meets its expected threshold.

A 16gb 5060ti for $500

Which ironically may not be too far off from what will be released as "RX 9070". Except it won't have any of the Nvidia niceties.

 

[Bomby569]

For which gpu are you going for ?

To me RTX 5070 Ti 16GB looks better than RTX 5080 16GB (poor performance boost) and RTX 5070 12GB (overpriced and seriously cut down)

i wanted the 5070, the 12gb made it unreasonable for me. The 5070ti price is also unreasonable. I will wait for a 5070 16gb or the 5060 ti. Or AMD if they surprise me.
Last time i spent 650€ on the 3060ti, i wanted to spend less if possible this time.

 

[Krit]

None of this actually matters if the performance meets its expected threshold.

There are already number of red flags by nvidia itself tested performance increase only ~15-20% (DLSS4 off)