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X870E Motherboards Buy Now or Wait for New Models?

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Hey all, quick question. I'm building a new PC and I'm wondering if I should get a motherboard now or wait. My plan is to build for when the Ryzen 9 9950X3D releases in March. Is now a good time to buy, or should I wait a bit longer? Will I regret buying now if something better comes out soon? I'm leaning towards the MSI MPG X870E CARBON WIFI. The problem is that there are mixed reviews about this particular board. What are your thoughts? Any insights would be appreciated!
 
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Personally, I would wait and let the firmware, etc. 'mature'.

I'm still on AM4 w/ an R7 5800X3D, but didn't hop onboard the platform until the last 'chipset' offered (X570)
-so, take that for what you will.
 
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X870E is already the latest generation chipset, you shouldn't be expecting refreshes until the next chipset comes out alongside Zen 6 by mid 2026 to early 2027. Buy now, and make sure that you also throw some X670E models in your purchasing list. You might end up getting a better deal that way.

Personally, I would wait and let the firmware, etc. 'mature'.

I'm still on AM4 w/ an R7 5800X3D, but didn't hop onboard the platform until the last 'chipset' offered (X570)
-so, take that for what you will.

Mature more than it already has? A full generation of chipsets and CPUs has been released on this socket in almost 2 years it's been available. It's not like Socket AM5 is new.
 
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I waited for a cashback or bundle.
I bought a bundle in may 2023 consisting of am5 mainboard, processor and "free windows - amd rewards game".

From the consumer rights perspective. Your warranty starts running when you bought the hardware. You will never know if the mainboard is defective and such. It's much easier to return a mainboard in the first day of assembly for central europe when bought online.

-- there may be mainboard revisions. Only gigabyte seems to publicly write it as text on the mainobard. so when you buy later you may get a later revision. If that revision is better or worse, who knows?

a 100% perfect mainboard will most likely not exists. Regardless if the mainboard is newer or older. Some issues will exists the hole product life cycle.
 
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New X870 boards aren't likely to come out before March. Reasons to wait to buy a motherboard include you might not be able to get your CPU in March, if you get a DOA board you will have to RMA it rather than send it back to the retailer, and B850 boards are coming out over the next month or two with very similar features and capabilities to X870E. The only valid reason to get a board well in advance of the CPU is if you think it will get discontinued.
 

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Personally, I would wait and let the firmware, etc. 'mature'.

I'm still on AM4 w/ an R7 5800X3D, but didn't hop onboard the platform until the last 'chipset' offered (X570)
-so, take that for what you will.
It's the same chipset as X670 so it doesn't really need maturation.

Only reason to wait would be for Zen 6 and associated new chipset.
 
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It's the same chipset as X670 so it doesn't really need maturation.

Only reason to wait would be for Zen 6 and associated new chipset.
Perhaps, I used the wrong word, lacked context, or was too brief. Because, that is my point. :laugh:

We've yet to see any 'post-launch development' on the AM5 platform, other than the SoCs being plopped in the socket.
X870(E) are the same PROM21s as X670(E) and even the same ASM4242 that some 600series boards had.
Yet, some boards still have 'bugs' and inexplicable incompatibles.

We've gone nowhere on the mobo-side of the platform, and that would have me not rushing-out to buy a board. Especially, before the CPU I want, even exists in-market.
At the very least, this would give some time for AGESA patches, UEFI updates, board Revs, community workarounds, etc. on the board(s) OP is currently interested in.

X870E is already the latest generation chipset, you shouldn't be expecting refreshes until the next chipset comes out alongside Zen 6 by mid 2026 to early 2027. Buy now, and make sure that you also throw some X670E models in your purchasing list. You might end up getting a better deal that way.



Mature more than it already has? A full generation of chipsets and CPUs has been released on this socket in almost 2 years it's been available. It's not like Socket AM5 is new.
X370 - X670
X470 - X870
AM5 hasn't had its X570, yet.
Other than a few unobtanium Industrial/Enterprise boards, I've yet to even see an AM5 board that effectively exposes(expands) all of the platforms' (potential) PCIe lanes.
Both 'generations' on AM5 are the same PROMONTORY21.
I mean no 'hate' for AM5, but... we basically got sold the same chipset/platform 2x over due to USB4 market-deployment delays.

Less than a year ago, I'd have felt confident in calling AM5 "undercooked".
With the Ryzen 9000series and EPYC/Ryzen Pro SKUs, it's just now "starting to smell good".

Strictly from the PoV of OP; I'd re-research and re-shop for my motherboard thereabouts the time I'd be ordering my CPU.
NtM, 9800X3D demand is being moderated by bundling. You might be getting a board with your planned purchase, just to get it...


tl;dr
Wait. Because, there's absolutely nothing exciting on the market now.

Unexciting now, or unexciting @ time of CPU purchase?
-Tiny diceroll something better comes along in the interim. Or, good chance what's available now, will be available, come 9950X3D launch
 
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Hey all, quick question. I'm building a new PC and I'm wondering if I should get a motherboard now or wait. My plan is to build for when the Ryzen 9 9950X3D releases in March. Is now a good time to buy, or should I wait a bit longer? Will I regret buying now if something better comes out soon? I'm leaning towards the MSI MPG X870E CARBON WIFI. The problem is that there are mixed reviews about the this particular board. What are your thoughts? Any insights would be appreciated!
(thought) Wait. (insight) 9950X3D is not available yet. (exception to the rule) if you find a fantastic deal on a desired motherboard before tariffs are enacted
 
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Are there any new motherboards with the X870E chipset planned for release later this year?

(thought) Wait. (insight) 9950X3D is not available yet.
(exception to the rule) if you find a fantastic deal on a desired motherboard before tariffs are enacted
Point.
 

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I have the X870E Carbon WiFi on my test bench now. It's decent for what I use it for.

Are there any new motherboards with the X870E chipset planned for release later this year?
Just white version ones I think.

Are there any new motherboards with the X870E chipset planned for release later this year?
Just white version ones I think.
 
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I just bought a X870E Taichi. I had a Asus X670E E Strix that got borked by Windows. This is the kicker. My Strix board had room for 1 more NVME but the Taichi is much more flexible and seems to be a more stable platform. I will list the differences and tell you that you have no reason to wait.

SATA: The X670E has 4 ports

NVME: The X670E has 4 NVME slots. 3 of them are 5.0

PCIE: The X670E is 8x4x4. Yes you can put 2 NVME drives to the CPU. but 5.0 is not measurably faster in day to day.

USB: The X670E has a ton of USB rear ports. So many that there is only 1 USB 3.0 port on the board.

WIFI: The X670E uses WIFI 6E.

Ease of Installation: The X670E Strix still uses the old screw down method for NVME drives.

Now let's look at the Taichi for the same amount I paid for my X670E E

SATA: 6 SATA ports not sharing lanes with anything.

NVME: 4 NVME slots with 1 5.0 and 3 4.0 drives.

PCIE: Two x16 slots wired at 16/0 or 8/8 even 4x4 is supported in the BIOS.

USB: You get 2 40GB USB C ports but also 2 USB 3.0 ports on the MB. There are enough rear ports to satisfy most users.

WIFI: WIFI 6 is pretty fast. I am looking to source a WIFI 7 router as WIFI 7 is much faster (for me).

Ease of installation: These new boards come with easy install features. 2 of the M2 slots are no screw involved and the other 2 have the screws imbedded so nice and easy,

One thing I will note is that I was using a new copy of Windows and when it came time to sign in there were no drivers for Wifi 7. I had to use my phone's Wifi to get through. I also like the 2 USB 3.0 as my Case (7000D airflow) has 4 USB ports on the front so now I can plug my Headest, Mic and Controller in the front with no problem and still have a port for whatever I am doing with my Flash drives. I also like 6 SATA ports as Storage is even more necessary with the size of today's Games and some budget 4TB SATA drives are the same price as a 2TB NVME. As some others have noted the RGB program from As Rock does not seem to play well.
 
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X470 - X870
AM5 hasn't had its X570, yet.
Other than a few unobtanium Industrial/Enterprise boards, I've yet to even see an AM5 board that effectively exposes(expands) all of the platforms' (potential) PCIe lanes.
Both 'generations' on AM5 are the same PROMONTORY21.
I mean no 'hate' for AM5, but... we basically got sold the same chipset/platform 2x over due to USB4 market-deployment delays.

Less than a year ago, I'd have felt confident in calling AM5 "undercooked".
With the Ryzen 9000series and EPYC/Ryzen Pro SKUs, it's just now "starting to smell good".

Strictly from the PoV of OP; I'd re-research and re-shop for my motherboard thereabouts the time I'd be ordering my CPU.
NtM, 9800X3D demand is being moderated by bundling. You might be getting a board with your planned purchase, just to get it...

I see what you mean and I am in general agreement, similarly, X370 and X470 were also the exact same chipset, completely identical. X470 boards are also generally the most versatile of the socket AM4 boards, supporting every CPU at one BIOS level or another, so that might be a good thing, IMO. The problem I have with the 800 series chipsets is mandated USB 4 support, which is done through the addition of an ASMedia chipset. This reduces the lane count available vs. the 600 series equivalent, which may not always be in the interest of the customer who might want to have access to these lanes to do something else with them instead.

Fortunately, at least so far, AMD hasn't pulled the X370 stunt by giving X670E the second class treatment and refusing to issue updates, but we'll see. Intel is again in a position of relative weakness, and I reckon Zen 6 might be substantially better than Arrow and perhaps even Panther Lake. So I fully expect the $300 6-core chips (5600X once upon a time) and an attempt at forcing the hand of enthusiasts to buy a new motherboard to get a repeat eventually.
 
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I see what you mean and I am in general agreement, similarly, X370 and X470 were also the exact same chipset, completely identical. X470 boards are also generally the most versatile of the socket AM4 boards, supporting every CPU at one BIOS level or another, so that might be a good thing, IMO. The problem I have with the 800 series chipsets is mandated USB 4 support, which is done through the addition of an ASMedia chipset. This reduces the lane count available vs. the 600 series equivalent, which may not always be in the interest of the customer who might want to have access to these lanes to do something else with them instead.

Fortunately, at least so far, AMD hasn't pulled the X370 stunt by giving X670E the second class treatment and refusing to issue updates, but we'll see. Intel is again in a position of relative weakness, and I reckon Zen 6 might be substantially better than Arrow and perhaps even Panther Lake. So I fully expect the $300 6-core chips (5600X once upon a time) and an attempt at forcing the hand of enthusiasts to buy a new motherboard to get a repeat eventually.
Are you talking about the Updates that allowed X370 to support 5000 chips? You act like it actually did not happen and exactly how many years later was that. That would have been like Z490 getting BIOS support for 12th gen Intel chips.

While the PCIe layout has been gimped by most MBs, there are still some that are not lazy and not compromising the PCIe layout to allow for USB 4.0. There is also the fact that the selling point of X470 was more PCIe flexibility. It is like people think AMD is lying when they said originally that the BIOS files were too small.
 
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Are you talking about the Updates that allowed X370 to support 5000 chips? You act like it actually did not happen and exactly how many years later was that. That would have been like Z490 getting BIOS support for 12th gen Intel chips.

While the PCIe layout has been gimped by most MBs, there are still some that are not lazy and not compromising the PCIe layout to allow for USB 4.0. There is also the fact that the selling point of X470 was more PCIe flexibility. It is like people think AMD is lying when they said originally that the BIOS files were too small.

But that's because AMD was lying. The limitation evaporated the second the Core i5-12400F released for half the price they were asking for the 5600X. The ~1 year between the launch of Zen 3 and Alder Lake, AMD simply refused to issue updates for 300 series chipsets and took action against motherboard makers who opted to update their X370 boards on their own.

Your memory seems clouded (rather selectively), so let me remind you:


Hell, look at this absolute cinema, a GN interview with their endless excuses... all of which ultimately proven false by time, since you can use a 5800X3D on any A320 today:


I wanted the 5950X, I had to sell my perfectly working Crosshair VI and sidegrade to a B550-E so I could get my chip to boot. That is what I did, only to be rewarded with their absolutely craptastic AGESA bugs which included, but were not limited to buggy memory training, USB stack resets, fTPM stutter, amongst other nasty issues which are now irrelevant because, well, at least they were fixed.
 
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But that's because AMD was lying. The limitation evaporated the second the Core i5-12400F released for half the price they were asking for the 5600X. The ~1 year between the launch of Zen 3 and Alder Lake, AMD simply refused to issue updates for 300 series chipsets and took action against motherboard makers who opted to update their X370 boards on their own.

Your memory seems clouded (rather selectively), so let me remind you:


I wanted the 5950X, I had to sell my perfectly working Crosshair VI and sidegrade to a B550-E so I could get my chip to boot. That is what I did, only to be rewarded with their absolutely craptastic AGESA bugs which included, but were not limited to buggy memory training, USB stack resets, fTPM stutter, amongst other nasty issues which are now irrelevant because, well, at least they were fixed.
Yes AMD said that the BIOS files may not have been large enough to support the updated BIOS. Some boards like the Crosshair did actually end up getting BIOS updates for 5000 chips. If AMD lied about it they would have been sued. You did not even acknowledge that putting a 12th Gen in a Z490 is impossible.

So the opinion of some talking head on YT is now facts? Yep that is why my Daughter told me today that TNT was invented in Minecraft.

Buggy Memroy training, USB stack resets, FTPM stutter. Did you buy a Prime board? Maybe you made the mistake of getting Gigabyte, they have some real Gremlins or maybe you just got a bad board because in truth those issues were mainly on X370. I have built over 50 AM4 PCs over the life on AM4 and every one of them still works. If you know anything about building PCs you know that the first person the user calls when they have a problem is the builder. The only calls I got were from a friend that bought the Prime board before I could warn him and had the issues you describe.
 

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Yes AMD said that the BIOS files may not have been large enough to support the updated BIOS. Some boards like the Crosshair did actually end up getting BIOS updates for 5000 chips. If AMD lied about it they would have been sued. You did not even acknowledge that putting a 12th Gen in a Z490 is impossible.

So the opinion of some talking head on YT is now facts? Yep that is why my Daughter told me today that TNT was invented in Minecraft.

Buggy Memroy training, USB stack resets, FTPM stutter. Did you buy a Prime board? Maybe you made the mistake of getting Gigabyte, they have some real Gremlins or maybe you just got a bad board because in truth those issues were mainly on X370. I have built over 50 AM4 PCs over the life on AM4 and every one of them still works. If you know anything about building PCs you know that the first person the user calls when they have a problem is the builder. The only calls I got were from a friend that bought the Prime board before I could warn him and had the issues you describe.

Dude, pretty much all boards were updated after Alder Lake came out. Regardless of BIOS ROM size. Even the dinkiest A320's support not only Zen 3 but the 3D chips nowadays, ergo, AMD was lying. It's such a simple statement of fact, such was the lie that you can pop your 5700X3D or 5900XT (the last chips they released just last year) onto almost any if not every A320 at this point and it will work. It was never a true technical limitation, otherwise that would have held up to this day.

Please, just for once, lay off the gaslighting... I can't take it anymore. GamersNexus doesn't fabricate statements, those in the video I sent came from AMD themselves. It is an old video and the information in it is no longer relevant, that doesn't change that for a year, that information remained true, until market conditions forced their hand, ergo, AMD is driven by business interests alone.

I clearly stated which board I had in my post, B550-E, it is a ROG Strix board and one that is regarded as one of the better socket AM4 boards overall. And again, the AGESA issues were fixed over time, which makes the issues irrelevant... today. Not at the time, though. And AGESA is very much an AMD thing, so it would have happened regardless of motherboard model or make.

Really, I openly admit that I have not a shred of love for Radeon, but I don't share the same animosity towards Ryzen. They are great chips (with a few exceptions, but even those are just inefficient, not bad, like the halved cache Ryzen 5's that lose tons of performance, or the imbalanced 7900X3D that can't make full use of its resources as well as it should), and as long as there is reasonable pressure from market conditions, they tend to keep that in pretty good shape too. Bugs are fixed in what I personally consider to be reasonable time, and despite the rocky starts (first generations on a platform having problems, eh, debatable, I don't think it's the end of the world, at least not now), they tend to treat their owners well.
 
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Dude, pretty much all boards were updated after Alder Lake came out. Regardless of BIOS ROM size. Even the dinkiest A320's support not only Zen 3 but the 3D chips nowadays, ergo, AMD was lying. It's such a simple statement of fact, such was the lie that you can pop your 5700X3D or 5900XT (the last chips they released just last year) onto almost any if not every A320 at this point and it will work. It was never a true technical limitation, otherwise that would have held up to this day.

Please, just for once, lay off the gaslighting... I can't take it anymore. GamersNexus doesn't fabricate statements, those in the video I sent came from AMD themselves. It is an old video and the information in it is no longer relevant, that doesn't change that for a year, that information remained true, until market conditions forced their hand, ergo, AMD is driven by business interests alone.

I clearly stated which board I had in my post, B550-E, it is a ROG Strix board and one that is regarded as one of the better socket AM4 boards overall. And again, the AGESA issues were fixed over time, which makes the issues irrelevant... today. Not at the time, though. And AGESA is very much an AMD thing, so it would have happened regardless of motherboard model or make.

Really, I openly admit that I have not a shred of love for Radeon, but I don't share the same animosity towards Ryzen. They are great chips (with a few exceptions, but even those are just inefficient, not bad, like the halved cache Ryzen 5's that lose tons of performance, or the imbalanced 7900X3D that can't make full use of its resources as well as it should), and as long as there is reasonable pressure from market conditions, they tend to keep that in pretty good shape too. Bugs are fixed in what I personally consider to be reasonable time, and despite the rocky starts (first generations on a platform having problems, eh, debatable, I don't think it's the end of the world, at least not now), they tend to treat their owners well.
HAHA. I love you the B550E? I have the XE version and it is my Daughter's PC if anything Asus tried really hard to make Strix boards great so it does sound like you got a Lemon. You know what I love about the 7900X3D argument. Is it faster than a 5900X? Just yes or no please.

The Ryzen 5's like the 8600G?

Yep Gamer's Nexus. When I had my 7900X3D and listened to people like Gamer's Nexus push what became the narrative on a chip that they did not even review. I love how people actually think that they suck because they only have 6 cores and 5.7 GHz means nothing for Games that don't support Vcache. I know that you seem to think there is no difference but don't blame AMD for what Intel would do. It did push the chip to $343 Canadian last summer but is as sold out as the rest of the X3d lineup now. What I also love is user reviews of the 7900X3D on retailers paint a much different picture than what some of you on TPU would like to believe.
 
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Dude, pretty much all boards were updated after Alder Lake came out. Regardless of BIOS ROM size. Even the dinkiest A320's support not only Zen 3 but the 3D chips nowadays, ergo, AMD was lying. It's such a simple statement of fact, such was the lie that you can pop your 5700X3D or 5900XT (the last chips they released just last year) onto almost any if not every A320 at this point and it will work. It was never a true technical limitation, otherwise that would have held up to this day.
If it had not been for community outrage I think AMD would have followed though limiting the 300 series boards also I don't think putting a 12 or 16 core chip in a A320 board makes much sense as VRM's generally aren't as good especially in the cooling department. The only outlier that I know of is B550 still got shafted in supporting Zen+ series chips but by that time Zen2 and Zen3 series chips were prevalent so nobody cared to push AMD's buttons on what appeared (to me anyway) to be an artificially imposed limitation compared to X570. If I recall some B550 boards could support a Zen+ chips but you had to run some info dump to verify the UEFI/BIOS support for that chip class wasn't removed.

AM5 hasn't had its X570, yet.
I agree here 100% This was something I was initially waiting for before jumping to AM5 after seeing the woefully limited PCIe expansion slot offerings.
I have doubts now that will ever happen before AM6.
 
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