NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 3DMark Performance Reveals Impressive Improvements

[x4it3n]

Absolute nonsense. People whine and moan about prices no matter what they are.

There will always be some exceptions but people are mostly disappointed because the performance uplift is not great 30-40% (4090 -> 5090) compared to 60-70% (3090 -> 4090) compared to last generation, whereas the price increase is 25% ($1600 -> $2000) vs ~7% last gen ($1500 -> $1600)

 

[lexluthermiester]

There will always be some exceptions but people are mostly disappointed because the performance uplift is not great 30-40% (4090 -> 5090) compared to 60-70% (3090 -> 4090) compared to last generation, whereas the price increase is 25% ($1600 -> $2000) vs ~7% last gen ($1500 -> $1600)

You know what inflation is, yes? You know how bad is has become during this post-pandemic recovery period? I'm not trying to justify NVidia's pricing, only that the increase is much less than all the other prices that have gone up. For example, food stuffs where I live had nearly doubled in the last 2.5years. Vehicle prices have nearly doubled as well. NVidia's prices have not doubled, not even close.

 

[x4it3n]

You know what inflation is, yes? You know how bad is has become during this post-pandemic recovery period? I'm not trying to justify NVidia's pricing, only that the increase is much less than all the other prices that have gone up. For example, food stuffs where I live had nearly doubled in the last 2.5years. Vehicle prices have nearly doubled as well. NVidia's prices have not doubled, not even close.

We all know what inflation happened it between but if they raised the price by $100 like the on the 4090 it would be perfectly fine, but 25% is a lot for a GeForce GPU ! Mostly for 30-40% more performance.
Nvidia are milking Pros with their AI chips and Quadro GPUs, but $2000 for a Gaming GPU is a lot. I can definitely buy one but it's not cheap for sure. And that's the only true 4K card of the RTX 50 series. The 5080 is not even beating the 4090...

 

[lexluthermiester]

but $2000 for a Gaming GPU is a lot.

On this we agree, however we don't set the prices. And the 5090 is the premium card for this gen and nothing beats it or even comes close, unless the rumors of the 5090ti/RTX Titan are true.

 

[x4it3n]

On this we agree, however we don't set the prices. And the 5090 is the premium card for this gen and nothing beats it or even comes close, unless the rumors of the 5090ti/RTX Titan are true.

Since Nvidia have no competition I hardly believe we will not have a 5090 Ti... unless RDNA5/UDNA gets very close to the 5090 and is sold around $1000-$1200 but I doubt it.

$400 more is too much honestly. In 2022 we had just got out of the pandemic and there were some chip shortages still but the 4090 was $100 more even though TSMC 4N was much more expensive than Samsung 8nm and the 4090 had 52% more CUDA Cores than the 3090 Ti and 60% more than the 3090 and they increased the L2 Cache from 6MB to 72MB too, so I think the 4090 was actually more expensive to manufacture than the 5090 back then, but RDNA3 was supposed to be very competitive so Nvidia had to go almost all-in. The big plus of the 5090 are the 512-bit bus, GDDR7 memory and the 2-slot cooler but I don't think it's more expensive than the 4090 was back then.

 

[Rightness_1]

Since Nvidia have no competition I hardly believe we will not have a 5090 Ti... unless RDNA5/UDNA gets very close to the 5090 and is sold around $1000-$1200 but I doubt it.

$400 more is too much honestly. In 2022 we had just got out of the pandemic and there were some chip shortages still but the 4090 was $100 more even though TSMC 4N was much more expensive than Samsung 8nm and the 4090 had 52% more CUDA Cores than the 3090 Ti and 60% more than the 3090 and they increased the L2 Cache from 6MB to 72MB too, so I think the 4090 was actually more expensive to manufacture than the 5090 back then, but RDNA3 was supposed to be very competitive so Nvidia had to go almost all-in. The big plus of the 5090 are the 512-bit bus, GDDR7 memory and the 2-slot cooler but I don't think it's more expensive than the 4090 was back then.

But the chip is maxxed out, is it not? They can't clock it higher either due to power and heat... So where is this extra performance going to come from?

 

[lexluthermiester]

But the chip is maxxed out, is it not?

No. The 5090 dies is using less than the max available specs for the full die utilization. This is the die wafer yield binning thing paying into the specs table. Few dies that come off a completed wafer are perfect. When 75%+ have flaws you have to do something with the imperfect dies. They sorted by functionality and quality of functionality and grouped into product class. The 5090 dies are near perfect but not quite. A full die would have(if I've done the counts right) 24,000 CUDA cores, 180 RT cores, 720 Tensor cores, 720 TMUs, and 192 ROPs instead of the 21,760 CUDA cores, 170 RT cores, 680 Tensor cores, 680 TMUs, and 176 ROPs is has. A 5090ti would have much more enabled and viable.

So to give you the short answer, it's not a maxxed out die, there is room for improvement so long as TSMC can refine the process enough to make more perfect wafers.

 

[x4it3n]

But the chip is maxxed out, is it not? They can't clock it higher either due to power and heat... So where is this extra performance going to come from?

They just need 2x 16-pin connectors, and a 3-slot or 4-slot cooler like 3090/4090 ! They could also go with an AIO (Water-Cooling) but I doubt they'll do that for now.

But the chip is maxxed out, is it not? They can't clock it higher either due to power and heat... So where is this extra performance going to come from?

No it has 170SM out of 192SM and lower clocks than 4090 due to the increased power consumption (575W TDP) and only 1x 16-pin connector limiting the max power draw to 600W (even though it could reach up to 675W with the PCIe slot...).