Frametime spikes/Stutters/FPS multiple games

[HoLaeFuk]

Hello guys,

I am literally at a lost for words. At the beginning of february, i bought the following system: i9 14900k, MSI Z790I EDGE WIFI (but i use LAN anyway), 4070 TI Super OC Palit, 2x32 GB G.Skill Trident NEO 6000, PSU Thermaltake Toughpower GF3 80+ Gold 1000W, Kingston FURY Renegade Gen.4, 2TB, NVMe, M.2, monitor Benq XL2746S, mouse polling rate 500 (just in case).

Off the rip, i updated the bios, did a full reinstall of windows, and started playing some games. Then i notice that i am having some sort of stuttering going on. I couldn't pinpoint an action that would cause the stutter, it just happens regardless of what i do, if i move the mouse, the character, or anything else. I tried XMP, overclock, reverting to all default settings, high performance, DDU, removing front USB connectors from mobo, new 12VHPWR cable for the graphics card, i tried some Kingston Fury RAM sticks, different registry tweaks, i reinstalled windows multiple times... oh man, feels like i tried so much stuff. Nothing worked.

Being fed with all that, i just put the processor for sale and i bought a 9800x3d and a new motherboard, MSI B650I Edge Wifi, and another watercooler, Arctic II, another PSU, BeQuiet! 1200 Gold - basically i swapped everything from the old computer except the graphics card and the ram. Sure enough, the stuttering is still there, even with the new processor and mobo (during installation i basically removed all components and connect them again, re-seated ram etc).

The games are butter smooth between the stutters, and the audio does not stutter, only the image. At this point, i can't figure out what is going on. Please let me know if you have any suggestions, this is aboslutely insane. I will put some pictures here from Elden Ring and DayZ. The stutters are happening at any FPS number and in any game, these two are just some examples. I will also put some HWMonitor screenshots, maybe someone can figure something out from that, if there is a component that is misbehaving somehow.

Elden Ring:

http://imgur.com/mQOorOW

http://imgur.com/q6iRPVU

Dayz:

http://imgur.com/OJLo9iE

HWMonitor(i dont play with it running generally, opened it for the screenshots):

http://imgur.com/Cat9KkO

http://imgur.com/mgJJ89d

https://imgur.com/chpLp51

 

[Fullmetalfixer]

Please look at my previous post, try using Rivatuner to cap your fps, it's free to download and use. Limit fps in a game and give it a try

 

[HoLaeFuk]

Please look at my previous post, try using Rivatuner to cap your fps, it's free to download and use. Limit fps in a game and give it a try

i am already using rivatuner you can see that the fps is locked in the screenshots

 

[Fullmetalfixer]

Aaah apologies! My phone wouldn't load the uploaded images earlier. Have you checked Windows Event view around that time stamp to see if something is happening?

 

[HoLaeFuk]

Aaah apologies! My phone wouldn't load the uploaded images earlier. Have you checked Windows Event view around that time stamp to see if something is happening

i dont think i checked windows event viewer.... i'll have a look into it. where exactly should i look? in which menu? and what am i looking for?

 

[Pino is reading]

i dont think i checked windows event viewer.... i'll have a look into it. where exactly should i look? in which menu? and what am i looking for?

im using a 14700kf and a 4080 and i solved all the stutters in elden ring turning off cpu parking using ParkControl from bitsum i went from having stutters every time in every cinematic (in the cuts) or when the game tries to load new areas while you are in the open world to 0 stutters

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/1dhkgua

 

[HoLaeFuk]

im using a 14700kf and a 4080 and i solved all the stutters in elden ring turning off cpu parking using ParkControl from bitsum i went from having stutters every time in every cinematic (in the cuts) or when the game tries to load new areas while you are in the open world to 0 stutters

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/1dhkgua

i have a 9800x3d i dont have any cpu parking, i checked it a while ago but i downloaded ParkControl now and they are not parked. thanks for the suggestion

 

[freaky235]

Also try diferent biosses,i have an 9800x3d also,and also have/had stuttering.


Also use latest chipset driver

 

[alexbwang111]

Did you re-install a fresh instance of Windows when you re-built the PC?

Try installing AMD Chipset drivers, running DDU to clear out any remnants of old graphics drivers, then re-installing latest WHQL drivers using NVCleanInstall.

Have you run any stress tests, or stability checks?

Is your RAM running in EXPO? Try bumping the voltage by +25 mV to see is that helps improve stability.

Links:

• DDU: https://www.guru3d.com/download/display-driver-uninstaller-download/
• AMD Drivers: https://www.techpowerup.com/download/amd-ryzen-chipset-drivers/
• NVCleanInstall: https://www.techpowerup.com/nvcleanstall/

 

[HoLaeFuk]

Also try diferent biosses,i have an 9800x3d also,and also have/had stuttering.


Also use latest chipset driver

im using latest chipset driver. How did you fixed yours?

Did you re-install a fresh instance of Windows when you re-built the PC?

Try installing AMD Chipset drivers, running DDU to clear out any remnants of old graphics drivers, then re-installing latest WHQL drivers using NVCleanInstall.

Have you run any stress tests, or stability checks?

Is your RAM running in EXPO? Try bumping the voltage by +25 mV to see is that helps improve stability.

Links:

• DDU: https://www.guru3d.com/download/display-driver-uninstaller-download/
• AMD Drivers: https://www.techpowerup.com/download/amd-ryzen-chipset-drivers/
• NVCleanInstall: https://www.techpowerup.com/nvcleanstall/

Fresh windows install, multiple times by now, 10 and 11. I have chipset installed, used DDU, used Cleanstall too. Stress test looks good for processor and memory. Voltage is at 1.4 for G Skill trident CL30 6000, i think its the limit of the voltage for this ram board, i dont think its a good idea to go above specified values. It's appearing in red if i wanna do 1.425. i could try tightening the timings but from what i understood from another tech community it's going to help but not fix something like this

 

[VanquishAllStutters]

Do you have ANY sync technology turned on? The monitor probably has one. So would the GPU software, the game itself.... these things are a plague if you ask me. Stutter city.

 

[alexbwang111]

im using latest chipset driver. How did you fixed yours?


Fresh windows install, multiple times by now, 10 and 11. I have chipset installed, used DDU, used Cleanstall too. Stress test looks good for processor and memory. Voltage is at 1.4 for G Skill trident CL30 6000, i think its the limit of the voltage for this ram board, i dont think its a good idea to go above specified values. It's appearing in red if i wanna do 1.425. i could try tightening the timings but from what i understood from another tech community it's going to help but not fix something like this

Okay, I'd suggest undervolting your GPU using MSI Afterburner to set a voltage curve. Essentially, want to prevent the GPU from boosting too much. See if that helps with frame time consistency.

Similarly, on the CPU side - try to disable the lower C-states (leaving C1, C2 and C3 on). Does changing Windows power plan (between Balanced <-> High Performance) make any difference?

On the motherboard, disable any PCIE sleep states.

Have you enabled PBO, are you getting clock stretching? Try dialing back boost levels.

 

[HoLaeFuk]

Do you have ANY sync technology turned on? The monitor probably has one. So would the GPU software, the game itself.... these things are a plague if you ask me. Stutter city.

No sync technology turned on. I am particulary keen on not having anything like that since i am a CS player as well, i dont like any Vsync Gsync anything like that.

Okay, I'd suggest undervolting your GPU using MSI Afterburner to set a voltage curve. Essentially, want to prevent the GPU from boosting too much. See if that helps with frame time consistency.

Similarly, on the CPU side - try to disable the lower C-states (leaving C1, C2 and C3 on). Does changing Windows power plan (between Balanced <-> High Performance) make any difference?

On the motherboard, disable any PCIE sleep states.

Have you enabled PBO, are you getting clock stretching? Try dialing back boost levels.

i will have to look into PCIE sleep states on mobo, i dont know where they are in bios. C states should not be disabled for 9800x3d. No change with the power plan. Doesnt matter PBO on or off. Good idea with undervolting the gpu, that is worth a try, i will look into that as well.

 

[eidairaman1]

Use the Search Function of this website and type in stutter, stutters, stuttering and you should find many ways to fix your problem

 

[HoLaeFuk]

Use the Search Function of this website and type in stutter, stutters, stuttering and you should find many ways to fix your problem

i did already and i tried a ton of stuff trust me

I just saw that, for example, if i drag a window around on the monitor, it is really fluid for a while and then stutters once just like the games do in the screenshot above. (my mouse polling rate is 500).

 

[VanquishAllStutters]

Are you sure you don't have any sync tech on? I am not trying to minimize your PC abilities or insult your intelligence.... I just have to ask again, because one PC can literally have like 4,5, or 6 or more sync techs available to be on at any given time, depending on gear of course... My monitor has at least two of its own settings, not mention my GPU software having at least three of its own. They're everywhere!

I'm sure you have tried looking for all of this stuff, I just thought I would mention it again because they can be elusive, especially that last lingering one that escaped your notice.

short of that...

- Find another GPU to use.

- Try Turing OFF the XMP for your RAM kits ( or whatever AMD calls it for AM5 CPUs... )

- Download Process LAsso so you can see what is running in the background and terminate one process at a time until the issue is resolved. ( perhaps you have a piece of software you always like to use that is not fully working with AM5 platforms, or perhaps some other process related hiccup ... )

- Try a gamer friendly and a windows like ( if you want GUI familiarity ... ) Linux with an AMD GPU

- or you can launch your PC into the sun....

 

[VanquishAllStutters]

You could also buy a new NVMe drive, so a fresh install of windows to see if that works. Even if you had several new Windows installs on your current NVME drive, the issues could be a PCIe issue with that NVMe drive, or something like.

Using a brand new NVMe drive and especially moving it to the LOWER slot on the MOBO has fixed issues for me in the past.

 

[HoLaeFuk]

You could also buy a new NVMe drive, so a fresh install of windows to see if that works. Even if you had several new Windows installs on your current NVME drive, the issues could be a PCIe issue with that NVMe drive, or something like.

Using a brand new NVMe drive and especially moving it to the LOWER slot on the MOBO has fixed issues for me in the past.

My mobo is B650I edge wifi, its ITX so i have only 2 slots i think. its in the one closest to the mobo. This is in fact a new NVME drive, a samsung 990. My initial NVME was a kingston, but swapping to the samsung did not fix the stuttering. I don't think i do any sync tech on, i dont have any MSI center, nothing for RGB, just chipset drivers, network driver and Nvidia Control Panel - just the gameReady driver.

I am thinking about trying another gpu since thats the only part i did not change, but i wanna wait to see if any of the prices stabilise and then i will probably order something better than the 4070 ti super OC. Turning off xmp does not do anything unfortunately, other than losing frames. I will try process lasso, thats a good callout.

It makes me think there might be a problem with the card or something hardware related, since even while waiting in queue in the menu of the game it randomly does the same hitch, i can see in the frametime spike.

Okay, I'd suggest undervolting your GPU using MSI Afterburner to set a voltage curve. Essentially, want to prevent the GPU from boosting too much. See if that helps with frame time consistency.

Similarly, on the CPU side - try to disable the lower C-states (leaving C1, C2 and C3 on). Does changing Windows power plan (between Balanced <-> High Performance) make any difference?

On the motherboard, disable any PCIE sleep states.

Have you enabled PBO, are you getting clock stretching? Try dialing back boost levels.

no luck with the gpu undervolting, also no luck with the PCIE sleep state

 

[alexbwang111]

no luck with the gpu undervolting, also no luck with the PCIE sleep state

Perhaps you have a dodgy driver that's causing latency spikes. Try DPC Latency checker and see what you get. You can try running the GPU at "Full power" mode. Also try disabling any onboard/integrated peripherals on your motherboard (eg. USB audio, Bluetooth, NIC, Wifi adapter) just to rule these out also.

Also, disable CSM and enable SAM/Resizable BAR on your motherboard.

Disable the fTPM module on your motherboard (as this is a software emulation and known to cause micro stutters). Disable Hardware virtualisation in Windows.

If that's no good, suggest testing with a different GPU and/or RAM, since these are the only two other hardware devices that have not yet been replaced.

Good luck!