AMD Teases Ryzen AI Max+ 395 "Strix Halo" APU 1080p Gaming Performance, Claims 68% Faster than RTX 4070M

[T0@st]

AMD has just published its "How to Sell" Ryzen AI MAX series guide—several news outlets have pored over the "claimed" gaming performance charts contained within this two-page document. Team Red appears to be in a boastful mood—their 1080p benchmark results reveal compelling numbers, as produced by their flagship Zen 5 "Strix Halo" processor (baseline 55 W TDP). According to Team Red's marketing guidelines, the Ryzen AI Max+ 395 APU: "competes with a GeForce RTX 4070 Mobile GPU at similar TDP and form factor." The first-party produced comparison points to their Radeon 8060S integrated graphics solution being up to 68% faster—in modern gaming environments at 1080p settings—than the competing Team Green dedicated laptop-oriented GPU, limited to 65 W TGP due to form factor restrictions. Overall, the AMD test unit does better by 23.2% on average (referring to Wccftech's calculations).

According to the document, AMD's reference system was lined up against an ASUS ROG Flow Z13 (2023) gaming laptop specced with an Intel Core i9-13900H processor, and a GeForce RTX 4070 mobile graphics card. The Ryzen AI Max+ 395's "massive iGPU" can unleash the full force of forty RDNA 3.5 compute units, paired with up to 96 GB of unified on-board memory (from a total pool of 128 GB). Non-gaming benchmarks place the flagship Team Red processor above Intel Core Ultra 9 288V and Apple M4 Pro (12-core) CPUs—as always, it is best to wait for verification from independent evaluators. Saying that, the "Strix Halo" APU family has generated a lot of excitement—even going back to early leaks—and the latest marketed performance could drum up further interest.



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[dgianstefani]

For some context, this is being tested Vs. a 50 W (65 W dynamic boost) 4609 core, 128 bit, 8 GB variant of the RTX "4070" laptop GPU, inside a tablet. Not the 200 W 12 GB 5888 core desktop variant, or the 115 W (140 W boost) laptop variant.

At these wattages a boosting 4060 Ti would perform similarly.

It's also the peak gain from a specific game, Borderlands 3, well known for favoring AMD GPUs, the performance gains ranged from +1% to this value.

 

[Daven]

You might want to add the word 'Mobile' to the end of the headline just in case someone doesn't read the text.

 

[dgianstefani]

You might want to add the word 'Mobile' to the end of the headline just in case someone doesn't read the text.

Official name is actually 4070 laptop GPU, which is a bit of a mouthful.

 

[Arco]

It's actually 4070 laptop GPU, which is a bit of a mouthful.

Yeah the 4070 mobile is a joke.

 

[Blueberries]

For some context, this is a 50 W (65 W dynamic boost) variant of the RTX "4070" laptop GPU, inside a tablet. Not the 200 W desktop variant, or the 115 W laptop variant.

At these wattages a boosting 4060 Ti would perform similarly.

That's still crazy powerful for an APU!

 

[Daven]

That's still crazy powerful for an APU!

I second that. AMD went all in on the GPU AND the CPU (16 cores!). Also, the packaging has the dies right next to each other instead of a large gap. Not sure if that helps performance but it looks nicer.

 

[halcyon]

Who cares.

Tell me how does it do on DeepSeek R1 70b (quantized) with 128GB max speed RAM and maximum amount allotted to the GPU and optimized settings for the GPU/CPU cores.

And how does it perform on Janus-Pro-7B.

AMD has the ONLY foreseeable viable one box option to nVidia DIGITS in their hands (at possibly 60% of the price) and they are missing the AI-make-sales-quick gravy train.

Get with the program AMD marketing droids!

 

[Visible Noise]

AMD has just published its "How to Sell" Lie Ryzen AI MAX series guide

120W APU vs a tablet. Does AMD think that little about their customers?

 

[igormp]

Who cares.

Tell me how does it do on DeepSeek R1 70b (quantized) with 128GB max speed RAM and maximum amount allotted to the GPU and optimized settings for the GPU/CPU cores.

And how does it perform on Janus-Pro-7B.

AMD has the ONLY foreseeable viable one box option to nVidia DIGITS in their hands (at possibly 60% of the price) and they are missing the AI-make-sales-quick gravy train.

Get with the program AMD marketing droids!

I mean, they did do a comparison vs the 4090 for LLM inference (on a model that was larger than the 4090's vram), and they do have an specific page just for LLM stuff (3rd pic in the OP), so I believe they're aware of this market space.

 

[Daven]

AMD has just published its "How to Sell" Lie Ryzen AI MAX series guide

120W APU vs a tablet. Does AMD think that little about their customers?

It's not a tablet. It's a 2-in-1 with active cooling and the same thickness as a laptop. Asus even calls it a 'gaming laptop'. Also remember the Strix Halo SoC is both a GPU and a CPU. The 120W DOES NOT EQUAL 50W. The 120W includes a 16 core Zen 5 processor while the RTX4070 is ONLY THE GPU at 50W. The 13900H in the ROG Flow Z13 consumes between 35 to 115W which you have to add to the 50W RTX4070.

Given the above, don't you think this is a valid comparison?

 

[wNotyarD]

AMD has just published its "How to Sell" Lie Ryzen AI MAX series guide

120W APU vs a tablet. Does AMD think that little about their customers?

I mean, the 395 will be in the (almost) exact same chassis. ASUS already announced the new Flow Z13 using the Strix Halo.

 

[Daven]

I mean, the 395 will be in the (almost) exact same chassis. ASUS already announced the new Flow Z13 using the Strix Halo.

Visible Noise and degianstefani also missed the part about the 120W = CPU + GPU. So it's a comparison of 50Wish 8060S inside the SoC against a 50Wish discrete 4070.

 

[Visible Noise]

I mean, the 395 will be in the (almost) exact same chassis. ASUS already announced the new Flow Z13 using the Strix Halo.

Yes, but nowhere does it say that’s where the performance numbers are from. They say “similar” multiple times. What is similar? What are the power limits? What’s the airflow? What’s the runtime?

 

[Cheeseball]

Visible Noise and degianstefani also missed the part about the 120W = CPU + GPU. So it's a comparison of 50Wish 8060S inside the SoC against a 50Wish discrete 4070.

The RTX 4070M in the Z13-ACRNM (I used to own one for less than a month until I switched to the X13) has a max TGP of 65W with the 13900H being the inefficient power hog it is, also around 65W TDP, so effectively around 130W TDP+TGP more or less, which is the absolute max of the USB-C AC adapter that it comes with.

Once this new Z13 comes out, I'm all in for it.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Yeah, but the 4070 has the fake frames and the DLSS thingy, so....

 

[Denver]

What makes the product interesting is having access to 128gb of "vram". It will allow you to run some of the largest AI models available that only $10k+ GPUs can fit into memory

 

[Daven]

The RTX 4070M in the Z13-ACRNM (I used to own one for less than a month until I switched to the X13) has a max TGP of 65W with the 13900H being the inefficient power hog it is, also around 65W TDP, so effectively around 130W TDP+TGP more or less, which is the absolute max of the USB-C AC adapter that it comes with.

Once this new Z13 comes out, I'm all in for it.

Also the 13900H only has 6 P-cores and 8 E-cores (20 threads total) while the Strix Halo SoC has 16 P-cores (32 threads total). Strix Halo is an absolute beast of an SoC.

 

[Nater]

I'd say if it was "as fast" as an RTX 4070M, that's goddamn impressive. 68% faster? If these things land near $1200 it's a buy for sure. Replace the wifey's RTX 3060 laptop.

 

[john_]

For some context, this is being tested Vs. a 50 W (65 W dynamic boost) 4609 core, 128 bit, 8 GB variant of the RTX "4070" laptop GPU, inside a tablet. Not the 200 W 12 GB 5888 core desktop variant, or the 115 W (140 W boost) laptop variant.

Nvidia puts the names on it's GPUs. If Nvidia calls RTX 4070 a card that is equivalent to a - for example - desktop RTX 3050 6GB, then AMD has any right to compare even an integrated 890m and declare victory over an Nvidia RTX 4070 mobile chip.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

I wouldn’t mind one of these in a small form factor chassis. All it really needs to have is a good cooler and some NVME slots.

 

[john_]

If these things land near $1200 it's a buy for sure.

I wouldn't expect them lower than $1500. Only if they fail to sell we will see them getting discounts at $1200 or lower.
Of course I would love to be wrong.

 

[rv8000]

I'd say if it was "as fast" as an RTX 4070M, that's goddamn impressive. 68% faster? If these things land near $1200 it's a buy for sure. Replace the wifey's RTX 3060 laptop.

Unsure if it was Paul or LTT, but one CES video mentioned $1700 or $2200+ for the ASUS tablet. I don’t think they're going to be cheap unless the models skimp on cooling, tdp, and memory configs.

 

[wNotyarD]

Unsure if it was Paul or LTT, but one CES video mentioned $1700 or $2200+ for the ASUS tablet. I don’t think they're going to be cheap unless the models skimp on cooling, tdp, and memory configs.

Don't forget the ROG Tax

 

[ymdhis]

I wouldn’t mind one of these in a small form factor chassis. All it really needs to have is a good cooler and some NVME slots.

This, three NVME plus a way to add in a 10GbE connector, preferably via pcie slot.