AMD Radeon 9070 XT Rumored to Outpace RTX 5070 Ti by Almost 15%

[AusWolf]

Last gen both the xtx and the 4080 got editor's choice. Should that make me feel like TPU is leaning AMD? You all need to stop with those conspiracies.

Personally, the only cards I would give editor's choice from all of last gen are the 7800 XT, the 7900 XTX and the 4080 Super. All the rest were overpriced, not deserving of a medal, imo. Maybe TPU is a bit too lenient on these awards.

One could argue that if I give the 4080 Super an editor's choice, then why not the 5080 since it offers similar performance at a similar price. My answer is simple: it's one generation newer, I'd like to see some improvement, not stagnation.

 

[Vayra86]

Hmm bit late publishing this, it would have helped more if he were to have taken his leak a day earlier so more people would have stayed home and slightly lowered the demand for the 5080

This generates more clicks, because now those people are once in again in full FOMO overdrive mode

Nothing is a coincidence in this space. Its easy to figure out what's really happening: just look at who benefits most. Clearly its MLID. Ergo its bullshit. And here we have TPU reposting this drivel.

Its also the usual way of an AMD launch: radio silence from AMD, lots of speculation, always someone overhyping the product somewhere at some point and the community following suit, and then it drops and we're all disappointed because we expected more.

 

[JustBenching]

Personally, the only cards I would give editor's choice from all of last gen are the 7800 XT, the 7900 XTX and the 4080 Super. All the rest were overpriced, not deserving of a medal, imo. Maybe TPU is a bit too lenient on these awards.

One could argue that if I give the 4080 Super an editor's choice, then why not the 5080 since it offers similar performance at a similar price. My answer is simple: it's one generation newer, I'd like to see some improvement, not stagnation.

The badges aren't there to judge a product historically. It's not a game where you can get to skip it and go play something else that was released 5 years ago. It's a GPU. Someone that goes and reads the review is supposedly looking for something to buy at the price range. So a GPU getting a recommended badge means it's the or one of the best GPUs for the money. And that much is true for the 5080.

 

[Jtuck9]

Personally, the only cards I would give editor's choice from all of last gen are the 7800 XT, the 7900 XTX and the 4080 Super. All the rest were overpriced, not deserving of a medal, imo. Maybe TPU is a bit too lenient on these awards.

One could argue that if I give the 4080 Super an editor's choice, then why not the 5080 since it offers similar performance at a similar price. My answer is simple: it's one generation newer, I'd like to see some improvement, not stagnation.

It's probably an improvement in things you don't value.

"However, with NVIDIA's undeniable lead in ray tracing, paired with DLSS 4, will presumably make things more complicated than ever before."

I personally think that high end competition is reserved for UDNA (or whatever follows this generation)

Nvidia neural rendering deep dive — Full details on DLSS 4, Reflex 2, mega geometry, and more

AI technologies will play a big role in the upcoming RTX 50-series.

www.tomshardware.com

AMD research suggests plans to catch up to Nvidia using neural supersampling and denoising for real-time path tracing

This sounds like the foundation for FSR 4.

www.tomshardware.com

It would certainly be interesting to see a benchmark regarding how this scales. Supposedly Microsoft are unsure about using 3D VCache on their new X-Box and with their DX12 neural rendering and Phil Spencer saying he'd like more hardware innovation as a differentiator going forward it will also be interesting to see what they having cooking.

 

[tfdsaf]

If AMD come up with $520 for the RX 9070XT it will be an instant hit. 4080 levels performance for $500 would be insane, its an instant buy from me and likely everyone else!

$400 for the 9070 and hopefully $300 for the 9060XT and $220 for the 9060.

 

[AusWolf]

The badges aren't there to judge a product historically. It's not a game where you can get to skip it and go play something else that was released 5 years ago. It's a GPU. Someone that goes and reads the review is supposedly looking for something to buy at the price range. So a GPU getting a recommended badge means it's the or one of the best GPUs for the money. And that much is true for the 5080.

That's a valid point. I still wouldn't give a product any badge that can't show any improvement on its predecessor.
With that logic, the 7600 would have deserved one, too, as it succeeded the 6600 XT which was a good card.

It's probably an improvement in things you don't value.

Like what?

"However, with NVIDIA's undeniable lead in ray tracing, paired with DLSS 4, will presumably make things more complicated than ever before."

That's what I call empty marketing talk. Let's look at that "undeniable lead in ray tracing".

Yeah, massive improvement there. A whole 7 percent!

Or should I say zero percent?

 

[JustBenching]

That's a valid point. I still wouldn't give a product any badge that can't show any improvement on its predecessor.
With that logic, the 7600 would have deserved one, too, as it succeeded the 6600 XT which was a good card.


Like what?


That's what I call empty marketing talk. Let's look at that "undeniable lead in ray tracing".

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Yeah, massive improvement there. A whole 7 percent!

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Or should I say zero percent?

The 4060 (which was better than the 7600 in every possible metric) didn't get a badge either. I don't know why people put so much emphasis on these, and even worse I don't know why they think TPU is one sided, they just count the hits and ignore the misses and end up with the conclusion that w1zard is biased.

 

[AusWolf]

If AMD come up with $520 for the RX 9070XT it will be an instant hit. 4080 levels performance for $500 would be insane, its an instant buy from me and likely everyone else!

$400 for the 9070 and hopefully $300 for the 9060XT and $220 for the 9060.

$1,000 Nvidia card level performance for $500? And why would you expect AMD to make such a move?

 

[JustBenching]

If AMD come up with $520 for the RX 9070XT it will be an instant hit. 4080 levels performance for $500 would be insane, its an instant buy from me and likely everyone else!

$400 for the 9070 and hopefully $300 for the 9060XT and $220 for the 9060.

If amd hits the 4080 in performance and prices it at 520$ I'm going to change my mind overnight thay they are the greediest tech company. But I think that's highly unlikely.

 

[AusWolf]

The 4060 (which was better than the 7600 in every possible metric) didn't get a badge either.

That's right because it didn't deserve one, just like the 7600 didn't either. Neither of them showed any improvement over their predecessors. Just like the 5080 doesn't.

I don't know why people put so much emphasis on these

Because this is what you check out first if you don't want to read a wall of text.

 

[Hecate91]

Just so we are on the same page, that 4080 12gb / 4070ti was still better in both raster / $ and RT / $ than it's competitor, the 7900xt. So yeah, AMD is super greedy when they managed to outgreed the greediest nvidia card.

Not even remotely true, have a look at relative performance of the 7900XT, it's faster than the 4070Ti at every resolution.

Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XT Pulse Review

Sapphire's Radeon RX 7900 XT Pulse is one of the more affordable RX 7900 XT custom designs out there. For $860 you get impressive 4K gaming performance and a triple-slot, triple-fan thermal solution that achieves amazing noise levels with good temperatures. Overclocking worked very well, too.

www.techpowerup.com

Cost per RT is subjective, not everyone is willing to pay more for a feature,especially one that won't run well on a midrange card without upscaling and fake frames.
The launch price and marketing is what AMD keeps screwing up on, though launch price doesn't bother me much as I don't buy anything on launch day. The 4070Ti is pure "the more you buy the more you save" greed since $800 was stupid for an xx70Ti card and it still is, even more so when Nvidia sandbags on it and released a refresh a year later.

Last gen both the xtx and the 4080 got editor's choice. Should that make me feel like TPU is leaning AMD? You all need to stop with those conspiracies.

The editors choice award isn't the same as highly recommended, highly recommended means the reviewer personally recommends the card and I'm sure plenty of readers take the highly recommended award seriously. And the only cards I would've given editors choice to would be the xtx and the 4080 Super, the 7900XT was too expensive at launch, and so was the 4080.
But I could care less what the review recommends personally, too many are biased for Nvidia when they get the product for free. I care about the objective performance of the card. The only conclusion I pay attention to is the one from Gamers Nexus, he's the only reviewer who isn't in love with Nvidia.

So a GPU getting a recommended badge means it's the or one of the best GPUs for the money. And that much is true for the 5080.

The 5080 got the recommended badge because the reviewer claimed its the "only GPU to buy". Even though someone could easily buy a used 4080 or 4090. As others have said TPU is nvidia flavored, a good way to put it lol, so the conclusion is expected.

 

[Jtuck9]

That's a valid point. I still wouldn't give a product any badge that can't show any improvement on its predecessor.
With that logic, the 7600 would have deserved one, too, as it succeeded the 6600 XT which was a good card.


Like what?


That's what I call empty marketing talk. Let's look at that "undeniable lead in ray tracing".

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Yeah, massive improvement there. A whole 7 percent!

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Or should I say zero percent?

I added some additional gumf to my comment. I think they have eyes on neural rendering. What is the jump between something like the 5070 / ti vs the 5080 in neural rendering performance? Or the 4000 series performance.

Didn't you also mention how you don't care about frame gen etc?

 

[AusWolf]

I added some additional gumf to my comment. I think they have eyes on neural rendering. What is the jump between something like the 5070 / ti vs the 5080 in neural rendering performance?

Didn't you also mention how you don't care about frame gen etc?

It doesn't matter whether I care about it or not - it's not an improvement on the 5080, as the 4080 can do it, too. Show me something that only the 5080 can do, or something that runs a lot better on it than the 4080.

 

[Vya Domus]

just like Digital Foundry

Lmao DF basically act as Nvidia PR representatives these days.

 

[JustBenching]

Not even remotely true, have a look at relative performance of the 7900XT, it's faster than the 4070Ti at every resolution.

Do you understand what performance per dollar is?

I think every review is amd biased since they get amd cards for free.

 

[tfdsaf]

DF and most other "tech journalists" get invited to private Nvidia events, get gifts, free 5 star hotel stays with everything paid, endless supply of free graphics cards, get access, get all inclusive vacations, etc... they all have conscious and/or subconscious bias and they all promote every single Nvidia bullshit as the next best thing since sliced bread. You'd think every time Jensen farts Jesus Christ returned to earth!

 

[AusWolf]

DF and most other "tech journalists" get invited to private Nvidia events, get gifts, free 5 star hotel stays with everything paid, endless supply of free graphics cards, get access, get all inclusive vacations, etc... they all have conscious and/or subconscious bias and they all promote every single Nvidia bullshit as the next best thing since sliced bread. You'd think every time Jensen farts Jesus Christ returned to earth!

Where did you get that from?

If it's true, then someone give me unlimited access to that 5-star wellness, and I'll say that the current Nvidia flagship is humanity's best invention since beer and sex every time a new one comes out.

 

[Jtuck9]

It doesn't matter whether I care about it or not - it's not an improvement on the 5080, as the 4080 can do it, too. Show me something that only the 5080 can do, or something that runs a lot better on it than the 4080.

For the people who care amount numbers its an improvement. I imagine for people who have use cases outside of gaming (per se) it's also an improvement.

"If AMD does manage to undercut its competitors from NVIDIA by a reasonable margin, there is no doubt that RDNA 4 will be the better choice for most people."

I'm personally wondering if the frame generation numbers are a portent or an indication of relative neural rendering performance. It's something I've mentioned about factoring in to my next GPU purchase.

Also, didn't Nvidia get kudos for making DLSS 4 was backwards compatible?!

 

[Vya Domus]

Also, didn't Nvidia get kudos for making DLSS 4 was backwards compatible

Oh how nice of them to not gatekeep upgrades to already existing features behind thousand dollar GPUs.

 

[Jtuck9]

Oh how nice of them to not gatekeep upgrades to already existing features behind thousand dollar GPUs.

This is where scaling comes into the question. I'd like to see relative performance when FSR 4 etc comes to other cards.

 

[Hecate91]

For the people who care amount numbers its an improvement. I imagine for people who have use cases outside of gaming (per se) it's also an improvement.

A 10-12% improvement from the 4080 Super isn't enough of an improvement. A comparison to the 5080 are the RTX 2000 series cards, an overpriced turd with not enough performance uplift over the GTX 1000 series. For uses other gaming sure, but nvidia has cared more about other uses besides gaming since the crypto boom.

Also, didn't Nvidia get kudos for making DLSS 4 was backwards compatible?!

More than they should have, IMO. DLSS 4 is just an example of Nvidia was capable of making the features backwards compatible the whole time, like the "optical flow" buzzword was a bunch of BS.

 

[JustBenching]

Where did you get that from?

If it's true, then someone give me unlimited access to that 5-star wellness, and I'll say that the current Nvidia flagship is humanity's best invention since beer and sex every time a new one comes out.

It is true, but guess what, same applies to amd. Wanna guess where amd took the press to unveil their hawai chip? Yeap.

But as per the usual you'll hear nvidia does this when amd does the exact same thing, lol.

 

[Jtuck9]

A 10-12% improvement from the 4080 Super isn't enough of an improvement. A comparison to the 4080 are the RTX 2000 series cards, an overpriced turd. For uses other gaming sure, but nvidia has cared more about other uses besides gaming since the crypto boom.

More than they should have, IMO. DLSS 4 is just an example of Nvidia was capable of making the features backwards compatible the whole time, like the "optical flow" buzzword was a bunch of BS.

From a quick glance at reviews it seems to be more of a tempting upgrade when DLSS 4 is taken into account. Seems like a shrewd move to release it when they did (DLSS 4). If I had the money I'd be tempted to buy a 5080.

 

[The Shield]

The problem with AMD is not 9070/9070XT performance, but the the fact that they will charge for those cards a completely out of mind price, as we saw since 2017.

 

[3valatzy]

The problem with AMD is not 9070/9070XT performance, but the the fact that they will charge for those cards a completely out of mind price, as we saw since 2017.

That's a real problem for AMD, because its market share is projected to decline to 0%. No one in their right mind would buy a slow 16GB card for so much. It's 2025 already. Give us 24 or 32 GB VRAM !