AMD Phenom X4 Compared to Intel Core 2 Duo in Crysis

[VILLAIN_xx]

Alot of those tests seemed VERY limited by the gpu. q6600 and qx6800 scoring withing 2 fps....doesn't seem cpu bound by me.

I totally 1000% agree with you. I've had this discussion with Btarnr already. We can all agree to that. From 95% of the threads ive seen, the pubbers who are harshest on phenom stomp about "who gets better Fps in games".

CPU, GPU, MOBO are the 3 main power horses for hard core gaming.

These benchies are done with an "iffy mobo, an "inferior" CPU, and a staple GPU used on all the tests for the phenom.


I really hope the next line of mobos can make a difference on the phenom overall. Im still convinced the mobo makers havent worked long enough with the phenomx4 since it was almost a completely remade,rehash of their first quad project....

 

[cdawall]

I think they're wrong, the Gainward Bliss 7800GS 512MB has only got 20 pipelines. Ahh I've just seen the one you're talking about I didn't think they'd got it right but I've read other articles; they released a second 512MB (yes the first one was also available with 512MB GDDR3 as well) 7900GT core based 7800GS. Firstly these cards were extremely rare, but secondly- do you really believe the 7900GT can destroy an X1950XT? I don't.

it hits 560mhz on stock core so its a full GTX

and no i dont think a 7900GT can beat a X1950Xt but i was trying to prove btarunr wrong about the X1950PRO he posted which is killed by the 7900GT. they do have it right cause someone on this forum has the 24PP card and i saw the riva tuner pick showing 24pp enabled if nibitor would have read his BIOS in and saved it i might even have been able to flash mine to that seeing how its also a G71 core and they have the simliar PCBs

 

[theonetruewill]

There is a 7950GT AGP card, it is supposed to be faster than the 1950Pro..................... although personally I cant confirm that or otherwise, the few bits I have read suggests it is

http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product...ce™+7900&productConfigurationId=1006137

tatty, I wasn't saying that the X1950Pro was king, sorry I had a lot of structural problems with that post (i did about 5 edits, it wouldn't quote properly at all') I was merely at that point arguing that the X1950Pro beats a 7800GT. however this argument is largely redundant now. More importantly I myself believe the X1950XT to be a tad faster than the 7950GT but I agree that this could be somewhat hotly debated. However can you see the reasoning that a 7900GT core 7800GS does not make nVidia king of AGP?

 

[Tatty_Two]

tatty, I wasn't saying that the X1950Pro was king, sorry I had a lot of structural problems with that post (i did about 5 edits, it wouldn't quote properly at all') I was merely at that point arguing that the X1950Pro beats a 7800GT. however this argument is largely redundant now. More importantly I myself believe the X1950XT to be a tad faster than the 7950GT but I agree that this could be somewhat hotly debated. However can you see the reasoning that a 7900GT core 7800GS does not make nVidia king of AGP?

No worries, I was not suggesting U were, just posted for info

I understand your point yes, there are tho 24pp 7800's albeit limited editions, mainstream you are prob right.

 

[theonetruewill]

it hits 560mhz on stock core so its a full GTX

and no i dont think a 7900GT can beat a X1950Xt but i was trying to prove btarunr wrong about the X1950PRO he posted which is killed by the 7900GT. they do have it right cause someone on this forum has the 24PP card and i saw the riva tuner pick showing 24pp enabled if nibitor would have read his BIOS in and saved it i might even have been able to flash mine to that seeing how its also a G71 core and they have the simliar PCBs

The 7900GTX has a 650MHz core and 1.6GHz effective memory.

 

[cdawall]

tatty, I wasn't saying that the X1950Pro was king, sorry I had a lot of structural problems with that post (i did about 5 edits, it wouldn't quote properly at all') I was merely at that point arguing that the X1950Pro beats a 7800GT. however this argument is largely redundant now. More importantly I myself believe the X1950XT to be a tad faster than the 7950GT but I agree that this could be somewhat hotly debated. However can you see the reasoning that a 7900GT core 7800GS does not make nVidia king of AGP?

your correct i didnt see the post with the X1950XT i was pointing out that it was faster than the X1950PRO which it is in every way

 

[theonetruewill]

your correct i didnt see the post with the X1950XT i was pointing out that it was faster than the X1950PRO which it is in every way

I think we've reached a compromise - I misunderstood the second redesign of the Gainward 7800GS. Now so we don't both get infractions - I see the powerful spongy mitten of Zek snooping around - let's get this thread back on topic! I think it's supposed to be about Phenom's!

 

[cdawall]

i like that idea and here is my view on that YEAH PHENOM...you better oc like a bat outta hell or AMD is going to flop

 

[btarunr]

it hits 560mhz on stock core so its a full GTX

and no i dont think a 7900GT can beat a X1950Xt but i was trying to prove btarunr wrong about the X1950PRO he posted which is killed by the 7900GT. they do have it right cause someone on this forum has the 24PP card and i saw the riva tuner pick showing 24pp enabled if nibitor would have read his BIOS in and saved it i might even have been able to flash mine to that seeing how its also a G71 core and they have the simliar PCBs

Are you sure you have a G71? I heard that some bathces of G71 has a laser-cut "quad". So the last quad of pixel-shaders are physically removed. If this works out with you, lemme know.

BTW does anyone know about when Phenom releases in the US markets?

 

[VILLAIN_xx]

why isnt there a Roadmap from AMD?

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_608,00.html

is it MY computer, or can anyone else see it?

 

[btarunr]

why isnt there a Roadmap from AMD?

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_608,00.html

is it MY computer, or can anyone else see it?

Mine can't see it either. That's why I asked. I only see a "%REGION_1%". I tried both IE7 and FF2, no luck.

 

[AsRock]

Count in percentages and add the fact that C2D is already being replaced with the next generation as well. Even though the difference isn't huge in it still shows AMD is still far behind.

Besides, a C2D costs less than those Phenoms and can be clocked far higher.

At this time yes they only just come out... As a lot of us know AMD are playing catch up and as i have said in another post before it's like the R600 wait till the R700 i think this is the same with the new AMD Mobos but hey bug fixes and so forth might make them much better..

Kinda of subject i keep hearing that the 680i mobos will not support INTELS 45nm. Is this true ?. There fore you will have to buy a x48 mobo.

 

[cdawall]

Are you sure you have a G71? I heard that some bathces of G71 has a laser-cut "quad". So the last quad of pixel-shaders are physically removed. If this works out with you, lemme know.

BTW does anyone know about when Phenom releases in the US markets?

yea about as sure as i can be without taking off the cooler

it shouldnt be lazer cut its supposed to be a G71 GS core with the extra quad/rop shut off i just cant find a 7900GS agp BIOS or gainward bliss G71 bios either...

 

[btarunr]

Thanks. You know? I have these two AGP cards made by Galaxy that are absolutely identical, (GeForce 6800 XT, 128M DDR 400). Only thing is they belong to two different manufacturing batches. One is a NV40, the other one is a NV42. I could easily un-mask the NV-40's 8 PP and 2 VP but I just couldn't do it with the NV42. A cousin said "NV42 has laser-cut two quads" Read this Wikipedia article and the 6800 chipset table and the laser-cutting foul play NVIDIA is upto

 

[Tatty_Two]

I see the AMD roadmap link was posted earlier, here is Intels just for a comparison, it's not complete as there are a couple of chips due out next year that people are unsure of their designations, this one has prices too, for info for the guy above, ATM P35 and X38 boards support 45nm, P35's just upto 1333FSB....x38's upto 1600FSB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_future_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors#.22Yorkfield.22_.2845_nm.29

 

[btarunr]

I see the AMD roadmap link was posted earlier, here is Intels just for a comparison, it's not complete as there are a couple of chips due out next year that people are unsure of their designations, this one has prices too, for info for the guy above, ATM P35 and X38 boards support 45nm, P35's just upto 1333FSB....x38's upto 1600FSB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_future_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors#.22Yorkfield.22_.2845_nm.29

Thanks. I've got my eyes on the Core 2 Quad Q9300 already. But would I need to flash my BIOS before I could use that?

Check sys specs. Also is it really worth the upgrade from my current C2Q Q6600?

The Wolfdale E8400 looks a neat deal. And I was contemplating on buying a E6850 soon.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Thanks. I've got my eyes on the Core 2 Quad Q9300 already. But would I need to flash my BIOS before I could use that?

Check sys specs. Also is it really worth the upgrade from my current C2Q Q6600?

The Wolfdale E8400 looks a neat deal. And I was contemplating on buying a E6850 soon.

Your board supports 45nm CPU's so no worries there, all boards will need an update as they manufacturers have to add new chip designations to thier board support but the P35's are 45nm ready. Why would you consider going from a Q6600 to a 6850? You will get benefits from the 45nm Yorkfield Quads over the Wolfdale's, they should overclock better (should) but will do so on less power and therefore heat, and of course they have a higher FSB.

 

[VILLAIN_xx]

Yes, if you already have quad core, id just stick with it. How much are you considering paying more just for a 10-15% increase?

Ive actualy been waiting for a decently priced mobo with all the bells and whistles from either Intel or AMD so i can upgrade to the Quad path when the prices arent too ugly for penryn or phenom (second revisions)...

The X38 Asus P53 (i think thats what its model name, too lazy to double check) has big over clock potential and stability. As for the AMD mobos, i might as well wait for a last time till January for the AMD790FX with the SB700. If that SB700 doesnt pull through well, i might flop back over to the blue team if their price is within a 50 dollar spread of cost difference.

Ha, once the mobo is bought ill be fine with an entry dual core and over clock it till the Quad cores get dirt cheap when the Octo cores are introduced.

 

[VILLAIN_xx]

Thanks. I've got my eyes on the Core 2 Quad Q9300 already. But would I need to flash my BIOS before I could use that?

Check sys specs. Also is it really worth the upgrade from my current C2Q Q6600?

The Wolfdale E8400 looks a neat deal. And I was contemplating on buying a E6850 soon.

oooo nice system specs. that 700w 4x 12 rails is purdy too.

 

[btarunr]

oooo nice system specs. that 700w 4x 12 rails is purdy too.

THANKS

But my system-case is an ugly-duckling, a 2004 CM Centurion. I've maintained the same case this long because it's proved to be lucky with my lan-parties. Changed three sets of hardware into this case. In the middle I'd chosen a CM Ammo, that year I was eliminated out of IGL (Indian Gamers' League) in round 1. Reverted back to the old case, PGL (Premier Gamers' League) Rank 1 (2006), PGL 2007 due next month. Every other LAN-party hosted by friends over the weekend, I get requests not to participate and be a server-admin (monitoring foul-play) instead....they're tired of monopoly by me .

 

[Tatty_Two]

Am installing my new Gigabyte X38 DQ6 today