RTX 5080 - premature review - it sucks

[Dragam1337]

Its just a name. Look at the specs

you mean that Titan they started calling an x90 for three consecutive generations now? Anything built on a chip bigger than x104 is 'Titan' territory bud. Again... just look at shader count and the older titans. A name is just a name.


Well... I hate to put the mirror in front of you, but wasn't it you who said this class of GPU is the new alternative to SLI? Divide by two and you've got two very 'reasonable' 300W GPUs, and you don't pull 600W continuously from a 5090 either.

It is in theory just a name, but it's alot more complicated than that, but i'm sure you know that Nvidia is using its naming schemes to push prices upwards, and give people less than they previously got for the same money. They really started it in 2012 when they came up with the titan naming, where prior to kepler the x80 was always equipped with big chip, but with the 600 series only the titan card got the big chip, while 680 was based on a midtier chip. But they went back on to the previous model with the 700 series kepler refresh, where the 780 also got the big chip, but you still had the titan above it, and that continued for many gens. 780 ti, 980 ti, 1080 ti, 2080 ti were all the big chip, with a reasonable price (2080 ti less so), but with a titan above them at twice the price, or even more.

With 3000 series, the 3080 was the big chip aswell - and hardly titan territory. Actually the best value product since prior to kepler, if it hadn't been for that crypto crap (which ought to be illegal !)

You can definitely make the argument that with the 4000 series and now the 5000 series, the x90 cards simply replaced the titan cards, and nvidia went back to the 600 series setup, where only the titan card gets the big chip, while x80 is based on a (at best) midtier chip.

The reason why i say that their video is correct, is based upon the fact that post 2012 the x80 ti would have been the consumer flagship gpu with the big chip, with a titan existing as something a bit seperate above it - a little extra performance for a ludicrous price increase. With 3000 series 3090 ti took that role.
But now that nvidia has significantly reduced the stack in the top end, leaving only 1 card with the big chip, you will have to consider that the flagship (rather than extreme flagship), and thus the 5090 goes up against the 4090, 3090, 2080 ti, 1080 ti, 980 ti, etc etc etc, which were all consumer cards based on the big chip of their time.

Should there have been a card inbetween 5090 and 5080 ? Obviously. But no real competition creates this scenario - actually the same scenario as with kepler, where nvidia were so far ahead of amd that they thought they could get away with anything (until amd came with the 290x anyways).

 

[AusWolf]

It is in theory just a name, but it's alot more complicated than that, but i'm sure you know that Nvidia is using its naming schemes to push prices upwards, and give people less than they previously got for the same money. They really started it in 2012 when they came up with the titan naming, where prior to kepler the x80 was always equipped with big chip, but with the 600 series only the titan card got the big chip, while 680 was based on a midtier chip. But they went back on to the previous model with the 700 series kepler refresh, where the 780 also got the big chip, but you still had the titan above it, and that continued for many gens. 780 ti, 980 ti, 1080 ti, 2080 ti were all the big chip, with a reasonable price (2080 ti less so), but with a titan above them at twice the price, or even more.

With 3000 series, the 3080 was the big chip aswell - and hardly titan territory. Actually the best value product since prior to kepler, if it hadn't been for that crypto crap (which ought to be illegal !)

You can definitely make the argument that with the 4000 series and now the 5000 series, the x90 cards simply replaced the titan cards, and nvidia went back to the 600 series setup, where only the titan card gets the big chip, while x80 is based on a (at best) midtier chip.

I would say I agree, but...

The reason why i say that their video is correct, is based upon the fact that post 2012 the x80 ti would have been the consumer flagship gpu with the big chip, with a titan existing as something a bit seperate above it - a little extra performance for a ludicrous price increase. With 3000 series 3090 ti took that role.
But now that nvidia has significantly reduced the stack in the top end, leaving only 1 card with the big chip, you will have to consider that the flagship (rather than extreme flagship), and thus the 5090 goes up against the 4090, 3090, 2080 ti, 1080 ti, 980 ti, etc etc etc, which were all consumer cards based on the big chip of their time.

Should there have been a card inbetween 5090 and 5080 ? Obviously. But no real competition creates this scenario - actually the same scenario as with kepler, where nvidia were so far ahead of amd that they thought they could get away with anything (until amd came with the 290x anyways).

...no. Titan or x90, it doesn't matter. It's just a name. When a GPU costs 2 grand (the price of a used car), I wouldn't dare calling it a consumer product.

The 5080 should have been called the 5070 Ti, and sold for $700, while the true 5080 should have been around the 4090 in performance and sold for let's say $1100. That would have been a decent product stack. What we have instead is Ada 2.0.

 

[Dragam1337]

I would say I agree, but...


...no. Titan or x90, it doesn't matter. It's just a name. When a GPU costs 2 grand (the price of a used car), I wouldn't dare calling it a consumer product.

The 5080 should have been called the 5070 Ti, and sold for $700, while the true 5080 should have been around the 4090 in performance and sold for let's say $1100. That would have been a decent product stack. What we have instead is Ada 2.0.

You are basically just saying that you dislike the pricing. Which is entirely understandable - but you have to evaluate the product on what it is being sold as, and it's being sold as a gaming gpu.

It started (this time) with 4000 series, where nvidia could see that the competition was weak, so they could get away with moving the entire product stack up. So the successor chip to the 3050 instead became the 4060. Successor chip to 3060 instead became the 4070. etc etc. 4090 was the only one allowed to get the successor chip it was supposed to. Had nvidia not pulled this sh1t move on consumers, then the entire 4000 series would have had a 60-70% performance uplift over their 3000 series predecessors - but nvidia thought they could get away with screwing over customers, and sadly they were right.

The 5000 series is just a continuation of the stunt nvidia pulled with 4000 series.

 

[AusWolf]

You are basically just saying that you dislike the pricing. Which is entirely understandable - but you have to evaluate the product on what it is being sold as, and it's being sold as a gaming gpu.

I don't care about what it's being sold as. I care about what it is and how much it costs. Marketing is for idiots.

It started (this time) with 4000 series, where nvidia could see that the competition was weak, so they could get away with moving the entire product stack up. So the successor chip to the 3050 instead became the 4060. Successor chip to 3060 instead became the 4070. etc etc. 4090 was the only one allowed to get the successor chip it was supposed to. Had nvidia not pulled this sh1t move on consumers, then the entire 4000 series would have had a 60-70% performance uplift over their 3000 series predecessors - but nvidia thought they could get away with screwing over customers, and sadly they were right.

The 5000 series is just a continuation on the stunt nvidia pulled with 4000 series.

Exactly.

 

[Dragam1337]

I don't care about what it's being sold as. I care about what it is and how much it costs. Marketing is for idiots.


Exactly.

Fact is that if you want the big chip, the only option is the 5090 - that is the reality, whether we like it or not.

 

[AusWolf]

Fact is that if you want the big chip, the only option is the 5090 - that is the reality, whether we like it or not.

Personally, my problem isn't the halo card. My problem is the lack of value everywhere else.

 

[Dragam1337]

Personally, my problem isn't the halo card. My problem is the lack of value everywhere else.

Which is due to the halo card being the only one having the big chip - so really, you are agreeing with what im saying

 

[AusWolf]

Which is due to the halo card being the only one having the big chip - so really, you are agreeing with what im saying

Rather, the halo card having a MUCH bigger chip than the rest of the product stack.

The 1060 was half of the 1080 (three tiers down). Now, the 5080 is half of the 5090 (one tier down).

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Rather, the halo card having a MUCH bigger chip than the rest of the product stack.

The 1060 was half of the 1080 (three tiers down). Now, the 5080 is half of the 5090 (one tier down).

The problem is its working and gamers can't get enough if that $#!+ you see people having 0 problems spending whatever Nvidia decides to charge.

To be honest though we can hate it all we want but we are just a spit in the bucket the market has dictated they love whatever Nvidia makes. If they do get away with it this generation offering meager gains with insanely cut down chips and people still buy them all up it is what it is the market has decided that is fine.

The 5070 is gonna say a lot becuase spec wise it's terrible for a 2025 550+ gpu so if that sells like crazy we are all doomed. The 5070ti/5080 might be meh but they can at least give a great gaming experience especially if you get a decent clocker with the 5080 that puts it right on the heels of the 4090.

 

[Dragam1337]

Rather, the halo card having a MUCH bigger chip than the rest of the product stack.

The 1060 was half of the 1080 (three tiers down). Now, the 5080 is half of the 5090 (one tier down).

You are looking at it the wrong way. The 1080 was a midtier chip, just like the 5080 is. The difference was that there was a 1080 ti inbetween the 1080 and pascal titan. That's what is missing now - a 5080 ti to fill the huge gap between the 5080 and 5090.

Cut prices in half, insert a 5080 ti with a cutdown version of the big chip, and lineup would mostly be fine.

 

[AusWolf]

The problem is its working and gamers can't get enough if that $#!+ you see people having 0 problems spending whatever Nvidia decides to charge.

To be honest though we can hate it all we want but we are just a spit in the bucket the market has dictated they love whatever Nvidia makes. If they do get away with it this generation offering meager gains with insanely cut down chips and people still buy them all up it is what it is the market has decided that is fine.

The 5070 is gonna say a lot becuase spec wise it's terrible for a 2025 550+ gpu so if that sells like crazy we are all doomed. The 5070ti/5080 might be meh but they can at least give a great gaming experience especially if you get a decent clocker with the 5080 that puts it right on the heels of the 4090.

We won't know whether 50-series actually sells or not as long as there's an artificial supply limit on it. Nvidia might have sold a whole ten 5080s around the world and the image would still be that people love it.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

We won't know whether 50-series actually sells or not as long as there's an artificial supply limit on it. Nvidia might have sold a whole ten 5080s around the world and the image would still be that people love it.

We will get these numbers JPR and if they still have 80-90% of the dgpu market while barely releasing any cards that's even more depressing lol.

 

[AusWolf]

We will get these numbers JPR and if they still have 80-90% of the dgpu market while barely releasing any cards that's even more depressing lol.

They will continue to have 80-90% as long as AMD doesn't drop the 9070 XT.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

They will continue to have 80-90% as long as AMD doesn't drop the 9070 XT.

I'm talking about 3rd-4th quarter after they've both been on the market for a least 6 months

Obviously it'll be one sided for the 1st and probably second quarter maybe even worse than it is now.

Although if the 9000 series sucks we won't need to wait to know lol.

 

[AusWolf]

I'm talking about 3rd-4th quarter after they've both been on the market for a least 6 months

Obviously it'll be one sided for the 1st and probably second quarter maybe even worse than it is now.

Although if the 9000 series sucks we won't need to wait to know lol.

I don't know how many hearts AMD will win with a lineup of 2 cards (I'm not counting Navi 44 which is nowhere in sight) other than the people looking to buy something in exactly that range.

It's a good strategy for minimising losses, but for market share... I don't know.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I don't know how many hearts AMD will win with a lineup of 2 cards (I'm not counting Navi 44 which is nowhere in sight) other than the people looking to buy something in exactly that range.

It's a good strategy for minimising losses, but for market share... I don't know.

And that's a big part if it too when your competitors basically wave the white flag you can do whatever you want and still win... A win is a win even if it's by default.

Still if AMD can hit on all 4 products they are rumored to launch and go from 10-15% to 25-30% that's a win and what I'm actually looking at on the other hand if they have killer products but stay at 10-15% mark while Nvidia is artificially limiting supply then people still rather wait for an Nvidia card....

Pretty sure it's fake but if the 9070XT was ballpark 4080 with 4070ti super RT for $500 bucks it would stay sold out now that we know what Blackwell is. My guess is if it does perform like that it'll be 650-700$ and people will buy the 5070ti instead.

 

[mama]

Do you know the guy who always blames someone else? It's never their fault. The buck passer, always blaming someone else. Well, the truth is when it comes Nvidia and the strangulated product which is a 5080, the fault is ours. The consumer enables Nvidia. The consumer created the monster who now has us cornered. Despite the endless handwringing that AMD didn't save us and it's their fault, people who say this refuse to account for their own actions. Consumers gave Nvidia the power. Bad reviews are a joke to them while they hold their position in the market. The playbook has been refined: 1. Eliminate options (including from product stacks from their own previous generations), 2. Create expectation and delay gratification, 3. Advance and project expected higher price points, 4. Maintain the frenzy by limiting supply and now 5. Reduce the value and efficacy of products while maximising profit. Now the monster comes in for the kill.

 

[tpuuser256]

Its just a name. Look at the specs

you mean that Titan they started calling an x90 for three consecutive generations now? Anything built on a chip bigger than x104 is 'Titan' territory bud. Again... just look at shader count and the older titans. A name is just a name.


Well... I hate to put the mirror in front of you, but wasn't it you who said this class of GPU is the new alternative to SLI? Divide by two and you've got two very 'reasonable' 300W GPUs, and you don't pull 600W continuously from a 5090 either.

A divided by two 5090 is a 5080, I'm just saying because the gap is so big and I don't really get over it

 

[InVasMani]

I think Nvidia is just planning to do a RTX 5070/RTX5080 Ti/Super minor bump later to those cards and for now if you can't wait this is the best you're going to get out of them. They'll either bump up VRAM a bit on those cards and/or bump up memory speeds of the chips slightly when they can get away with it and feel pressured to do so. Same damn thing they do every time.

 

[Frizz]

I don't know how many hearts AMD will win with a lineup of 2 cards (I'm not counting Navi 44 which is nowhere in sight) other than the people looking to buy something in exactly that range.

It's a good strategy for minimising losses, but for market share... I don't know.

So I know this small but local Aussie PC Store invisible to bots. They had have stock of the Palit version roughly 3100 USD / 4900 AUD over 48hrs. One sold yesterday and one today. This kinda showed me the true level of FOMO without bot influence..

 

[Dragam1337]

So I know this small but local Aussie PC Store invisible to bots. They had have stock of the Palit version roughly 3100 USD / 4900 AUD over 48hrs. One sold yesterday and one today. This kinda showed me the true level of FOMO without bot influence..

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I reckon it just varies ALOT depending on country. Biggest store in denmark had 6x 5090 in stock... not 6 different models, but 6 in total. They were gone in literally 1 second.

 

[Frizz]

I reckon it just varies ALOT depending on country. Biggest store in denmark had 6x 5090 in stock... not 6 different models, but 6 in total. They were gone in literally 1 second.

Did they at least get pre-orders? I don't know of anyone who physically got a 5090 yet, I think most physical stock when into Systems/System integrators in AU.

 

[Dragam1337]

Did they at least get pre-orders? I don't know of anyone who physically got a 5090 yet, I think most physical stock when into Systems/System integrators in AU.

Nope, closed for preorders as soon as those 6 cards were sold.

 

[mama]

Its over $3,000 US. What the hell?